ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

[maskedwoman]

I suggested earlier that it could be somebody from Insta.

I assumed that Insta would not have to follow the gag order put in place by the judge.

But now I am thinking that if LE contacted Insta to document the authenticity of the accounts, that the Insta person asked to do this could be called to testify. So, in essence, this would make them/Insta a witness? So would they be under the gag order?

IDK.

I think the gag order was limited to attorneys and LE but I'm sure LE and the DA would strongly encourage all witnesses not to leak or give interviews. And if the Insta stalking info is true, LE probably has a very short list of who to shake their finger at.

 

[Sundog]

I dunno why but that "running the garbage disposal" just strikes me as a useless fact. Why say that? Was he running it for insane periods of time? JMHO

In one of the apartments I lived in while I was in graduate school, my upstairs neighbor had a job where she worked really late into the early a.m. hours. I guess when she got home, she wasn't ready to go to bed right away, so she would do household chores, like vacuuming. It would wake me up, of course, living below her. And if she used the garbage disposal first, I would jolt up from a deep sleep state until I figured out she was home and doing chores again. If it happened recently, like for the student who made these comments, then it is something that would be uppermost on one's mind, IMO. Losing sleep regularly like that is a real problem.

When I moved, I made sure I had an upstairs apartment.

 

[10ofRods]

I suggested earlier that it could be somebody from Insta.

I assumed that Insta would not have to follow the gag order put in place by the judge.

But now I am thinking that if LE contacted Insta to document the authenticity of the accounts, that the Insta person asked to do this could be called to testify. So, in essence, this would make them/Insta a witness? So would they be under the gag order?

IDK.

Not at this point in time. They are not a party to this case. There's not a list of witnesses yet. At the time one is produced by either side, I suppose the judge can enjoin the witnesses not to speak - but can't do that right now.

If individuals inside the case post on Instagram, that's not instagram's problem, IMO.

 

[isabella88]

Typically, I agree but...."Kohberger's now-deleted Instagram account — which was viewed by PEOPLE before it was removed — followed the accounts of Mogen, Gonclaves and Kernodle, but there was no public interaction."

They do say in the quote above they viewed his account.

Saw that account and was under the impression it was a fake.

 

[Ccging]

^^bbm

I believe OP's statement that BK followed the accounts of the 3 female victims but there was no public interaction, misrepresents what's actually quoted OPs quoted link or People.

More specifically, the article states that BK allegedly sent a series of messages to one of the victims on Instagram but does not identify the victim:

Two weeks before the slayings of four University of Idaho students last November, the man now accused of killing them sent a series of messages to one of the victims on Instagram, an investigator familiar with the case tells PEOPLE.

Accused Idaho Killer Bryan Kohberger Repeatedly Messaged One of the Victims on Instagram: Source

"He was persistent," an investigative source on the case tells PEOPLE

people.com

ETA: IMO, the BK Instagram People allege was following the three female victims was not by BK but by troll account(s). Many surfaced in BKs name within hours of their murders.

The account sent the victim messages in October so it was not a troll account.

 

[gliving]

Also, we now know he got a new phone June 23 presumably in PA narrowing the window a little more.

Just my opinion

Maybe. This article says his phone had a WA area code. But, I think you can choose whatever area code you want no matter where you live so he could have chosen a WA area code while still living in PA> Clear as mud, right? lol

"The screenshot, reviewed by the Statesman, included a phone number with an eastern Washington area code, with the last four digits 8458. In the affidavit, police previously identified Kohberger’s cellphone number having the same last four digits."

Read more at: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/article271252642.html#storylink=cpy

 

[South Dakota]

is it possible that outsidelooking was actually LE trying to see the chatter and see what they could 'shake out' by tossing a few tid bits of somewhat accurate information? IMO

 

[CaneDubs]

I suggested earlier that it could be somebody from Insta.

I assumed that Insta would not have to follow the gag order put in place by the judge.

But now I am thinking that if LE contacted Insta to document the authenticity of the accounts, that the Insta person asked to do this could be called to testify. So, in essence, this would make them/Insta a witness? So would they be under the gag order?

IDK.

MOO - it’s not someone at Instagram. Instagram is part of meta and has a strict user privacy policy. They are not going to hand over private data (including non public activity on their app) in absence of a court order. It would have to be a rogue employee with access to accounts that didn’t care about being fired. That is tremendously unlikely.

More likely is one / some / all families have access to their loved one’s account either through known passwords, saved passwords on now acquired equipment or through the process enabling families to verify and gain access to a deceased individual’s accounts that many websites provide. Meta included. That information and/or access could easily have been passed on from family or from investigators working with the family outside of LE.

 

[Sundog]

Idaho murder suspect's grad program keeps database of police bodycam vids and security footage​

Story by Keith Griffith For Dailymail.com 1/16/2023

"The source quoted by Fox News, who works for the university, speculated that Kohberger could have used the CSI Lab to view unredacted images from crime scenes, and other disturbing footage.

However, Phil Weiler, WSU's vice president of marketing and communications, told the outlet that Kohberger never obtained entry to the programs that maintain the footage.

[...]

But the insider claimed that 'multiple individuals who have not gone through the vetting or training' had access to the facility as part of their duties, including 'technical support staff.'"

Idaho murder suspect's grad program keeps database of police bodycam vids and security footage

Apparently, the Moscow Police Department doesn't participate in this project at WSU. So even if BK was able to get access to any footage, it would not have included anything that happened in Moscow.

 

[Yuletide]

The account sent the victim messages in October so it was not a troll account.

Thank you for saying this. It was long before the murders.

 

[PriorTheCreator]

Does the DM news open the motive up for Eliot Rodger kind of motive?>

 

[I'm Nobody]

BK doing drive bys at 1122 seems old-school stalking to me, more planning trips. Wouldn't he get more info better photos from SM? He only needed one name at 1122, then sign up for informed delivery online and get names of other residents, follow them all on SM.

Bothered BK looks relaxed, eyes not caught-in-headlights wide, in The Spokesman photo of BK smiling at his PD. He appears to be enjoying court. He gets to review evidence photos right? His reaction to those would be very interesting but we will likely never know. Time to pay the piper coming.

Long legal process ahead in case of suspected UI killer, former prosecutor says

In such a high-profile case, getting to a resolution will likely take time, said Tim Rasmussen, recently retired Stevens County prosecuting attorney.

www.spokesman.com

 

[Speculaytor]

Would be crazy, but not impossible, for Bryan then to have submitted his own DNA to GEDMatch.

What a twist that would be. Nothing can surprise me in this case. What if Bryan was thinking about his own genes and their relationship to his hidden life?

I keep thinking about the killers from In Cold Blood. If people haven't read it, it's the best intro to true crime and actual facts/legal processes (as they were in 1959) that one can find. It puts the later literature into so much perspective, along with our current forensic techniques. No forensic DNA for almost another 30 years. For people born in the 90's or later, they will not remember a world without forensic DNA.

<modsnip: Information stated as fact with no link to support>

Wouldn't that be ironic.....wow.....

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

But now I am thinking that if LE contacted Insta to document the authenticity of the accounts, that the Insta person asked to do this could be called to testify. So, in essence, this would make them/Insta a witness? So would they be under the gag order?

LE has to subpoena Instagram/Facebook, and most if not all social media, for account information. MOO I would think they have zero tolerance for the unauthorized release of information.

https://www.facebook.com/help/instagram/494561080557017

 

[CityKid]

How about somebody who worked at Instagram?

Instagram claims end-to-end encryption on messages and calls in a chat. But DMs are the least important for IG to monitor, from IG's standpoint (they'd care more about abuse, illegal disgusting things, hate speech, incitement, etc. in regular posts and replies than they would about talk in DMs, especially when it's the usual thing of weird strangers trying to say hello and the recipient not even noticing it because they have to go into a special folder to find it). A dude saying hello in DMs to random girls isn't on IG's list of things to be stopped. And if you somehow get evidence of "hello" from BK in IG, what would be your end goal in getting it to People mag? (You'd probably be a program looking for keywords, anyway.) You'd risk a job to be the anonymous "investigator" for no gain? Because they will find your keystrokes and fire you for taking private info to People.

https://help.instagram.com/491565145294150

 

[10ofRods]

is it possible that outsidelooking was actually LE trying to see the chatter and see what they could 'shake out' by tossing a few tid bits of somewhat accurate information? IMO

I don't think so, really - sounded too much like Inside. Whoever Inside/Outside are, they have a very limited style of text speak. I can definitely believe that BK contacted one of the girls with some lame, "How ya doin?" message and then got no reply.

InsideLooking *could* be LE. Do we know of an LEO who has done such a thing before? I'm trying to think of one.

I don't think it's technically illegal. Wow, if InsideLooking is NOT BK (but LE), then the real BK (who had at least two other reddit accounts) must have been flipping out.

 

[10ofRods]

Saw that account and was under the impression it was a fake.

You saw posts before the murders occurred? There were a bunch of fake/renamed accounts right after the murders, but this one was in place before the murders.

 

[Which_pancake]

Typically, I agree but...."Kohberger's now-deleted Instagram account — which was viewed by PEOPLE before it was removed — followed the accounts of Mogen, Gonclaves and Kernodle, but there was no public interaction."

They do say in the quote above they viewed his account.

I think the more interesting question is how did they confirm it was in fact BKs account. Or did they take the word of their source? MOO

 

[r3d-ros3]

Wouldn't that be ironic.....wow.....

This has probably been posted already based on some of what is being discussed, but here it is anyway: "Kohberger told neighbor of prior DNA test, raising questions about how police found him."

 

[CSIDreamer]

In one of the apartments I lived in while I was in graduate school, my upstairs neighbor had a job where she worked really late into the early a.m. hours. I guess when she got home, she wasn't ready to go to bed right away, so she would do household chores, like vacuuming. It would wake me up, of course, living below her. And if she used the garbage disposal first, I would jolt up from a deep sleep state until I figured out she was home and doing chores again. If it happened recently, like for the student who made these comments, then it is something that would be uppermost on one's mind, IMO. Losing sleep regularly like that is a real problem.

When I moved, I made sure I had an upstairs apartment.

Ah, ok. Thanks for the explanation. I've never lived in an apartment building.