ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

[al66pine]

"Fair & Impartial Jury" as Atty's Goal?

....I believe the prosecution and defense will go to great lengths to ensure that they choose a fair and impartial jury. They should easily be able to weed out any potential jurors who have been swayed by the social media and media nonsense by asking a few simple questions....

snipped for focus. @SRWCF

I recall a professor w extensive trial experience as a prosecutor & def counsel, saying many yrs ago: attys don't get to choose a jury; we just try to get rid of the ones we don't want or can't live with.

The JUDGE, not prosecution and defense, tries to seat a "fair and impartial jury."
Each side has a given number of strikes "for cause" & "peremptory" strikes and they use those challenges to exclude from the jury pool, ppl who are (or they perceive as being) unsympathetic to their side.

--- Prosecution tries to strike ppl who express bias against the state & LE gen'ly or specific persons expected to testify for the state.
--- Def. Atty tries to strike ppl who express bias against the def't, or specific persons expected to testify for the defense.

Doubtful we can say either side actually wants a truly, objectively "fair & impartial jury." imo jmo moo
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Jury selection - Wikipedia

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Strike for cause - Wikipedia

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Death-qualified jury - Wikipedia

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[Ccging]

That's what it says in the article linked:

"It's unclear why Kohberger didn't get a response to his messages, but authorities say that the victim may have missed them completely.

"She may not have seen them, because they went into message requests," says the investigation source. (Instagram users are not notified when they receive a message from someone they do not follow back, and the messages go into a special folder.) "We're still trying to determine how aware the victims were of his existence."

"There's no indication that he was getting frustrated with her lack of response," the source adds, "but he was definitely persistent.""

Accused Idaho Killer Bryan Kohberger Repeatedly Messaged One of the Victims on Instagram: Source

IMO just because the messages don’t seem to indicate frustration does not mean he wasn’t frustrated, you can see when people are online and if he messaged while they were online and got no response that would be frustrating, he would think he was being ignored.

 

[CityKid]

am I the only one who immediately blocks people that pop in repeatedly with hello etc?

Sometimes I also report for spam.

 

[Cool Cats]

His PA lawyer told the media that BK talked to LE for about 10 minutes before requesting an attorney. Later BK allegedly couldn't remember what he told police. The lawyer stated that he stopped BK repeatedly from telling him his version.

Thanks, I wasn't sure if he talked right after arrest but am sure it would be illegal for them to try to interrogate him now.

 

[Cool Cats]

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

Don't forget to scroll down...

Great! Thanks!

 

[Derph]

Im really curious...

So
Now as he is in Moscow - is he being interrogated every day?

You know - a good cop/bad cop, interrogation room with cameras, a big see-through mirror, etc?

Or even FBI profiler?
Like - tricky questions to trip him?

Or is my imagination running wild (again)?

If he's invokes his right to remain silent and requests a lawyer that's it. The cops can not talk to him again unless he requests to and I don't see that happening.

So many random thoughts so I'll just riff them.

- In regards to DM and her actions. I lived with 3 girls and another guy in a party house in college. People came and went all the time. We'd have other kids pass out on one of the couches in our living room. This happened on numerous occasions. I lived upstairs in my own room and the girls lived in the other 3 rooms up there. They were used to me and we shared a bathroom so of course we would sometimes run into each other in our bed clothes or even just a towel a lot. Waiting for a shower or to use the bathroom in the morning etc. No big deal. Now if a strange guy was walking around up there and ran in to one of the girls coming out of her bedroom in her underwear and night shirt at night in the dark, they would probably shut the door for a few minutes or just turn around and go back to their room being on the modest side, perhaps thinking one of the others had hooked up with someone who was leaving. Perfectly natural reaction in my opinion. I'm still confused on exactly how everything went down that morning from when the 2 survivors woke up, but that will all come out eventually.

- I have a feeling BK might have entered the house on other nights to scope the place out and see who lived where. I'd be interested to see what nights of the week his phone pinged from that location. Was it school nights or weekends? I'd be willing to bet he went there on both weekends and week nights.

- There is a ton of info and digital footprints that when added together REALLY make BK look bad. The stalking placing him at the crime scene multiple times before the murders. Cameras that ID his car in the neighborhood. Seems like a lot of just general people have found a lot of things about him...the writings, friends who paint a tainted picture of him in his younger years, neighbors who thought he was 'off, students of his who thought he was different, bars that had him on a 'creep' list, his career path, etc, etc, etc. We don't even know what other strange things that law enforcement has found on him.

- Compare this to what we know about the Delphi suspect who has virtually nothing in his history that comes remotely close to this case! We have some evidence against RA but where is the history on him that makes us think there is something 'off' with him? Not a lot of people have spoken out against him. He seems like a good guy who never raised any major red flags. No one has come out from his past that said he was creepy. There are no questionable actions or changes that anyone picked up on as far as we know right now. The profiler's are all crawling out of the woodwork for BK, but at this time, there aren't as many chiming in on RA because there isn't anything and it's been YEARS not weeks that have gone by in that case. I'm not saying anyone is innocent or guilty but if I were to put the evidence of both these cases on a scale, that scale sure does lean significantly to once side. Criminal profiler John Kelly said on his channel and I'm paraphrasing here ( don't know if I'm allowed to post the link here? but it's on YouTube) that he found it kind of weird that an aspiring criminologist and someone who applied to work in law enforcement did not come forward and clear his car after the police said they were interested in a white Elantra. If he was innocent, wouldn't he want to help cross a white Elantra off the list so they could look for the 'real' murderer? I think it's a VERY interesting observation and a huge contrast to RA who did come forward placing himself at the scene in Delphi. Again, I'm just riffing here.

 

[mzmarymac]

MSN

It appears that BK was trying to interact with at least one of the victims as per this news article.

This jives with what my initial thoughts have been. He was obsessed with at least one of the women. He followed all the girls (I wonder how many girls he followed and messaged like this.) So he was able to see the inside of the house, keep tabs on what was going on. Likely stalked at least one of them (think Joe Goldberg from You) and wasn't getting the response he wanted.

As I said before, I do not believe he went there to kill a bunch of people and try to become famous. I think he went to kidnap or rape or kill one of the girls (whoever he was messaging) and things went sideways fast. I believe he thought he could get in and out doing whatever it was he was going to do, but didn't expect two girls in a bed and one of the housemates to see him at 4 am. He probably couldn't believe he killed 4 people. I honestly feel he felt he was smart enough to get away with it and it would never become the international story it has become before he entered that house.

 

[Walela]

For anyone interested in jury selection in Idaho. Idaho Criminal Rule 24. Trial Jurors

 

[Tillyjames]

IMO just because the messages don’t seem to indicate frustration does not mean he wasn’t frustrated, you can see when people are online and if he messaged while they were online and got no response that would be frustrating, he would think he was being ignored.

I have my Instagram setting to where nobody can see if I’m online. Not saying this was the case but it’s not definitive one could see the online activity so easily. MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Alternatively in the Delphi case, the trial won't be moved but the jury will be picked from another county.

Yes, this is exactly what happened in the Georgia Ahmaud Arbery murder Case.

 

[10ofRods]

IMO just because the messages don’t seem to indicate frustration does not mean he wasn’t frustrated, you can see when people are online and if he messaged while they were online and got no response that would be frustrating, he would think he was being ignored.

If he was InsideThinking, he was used to it. His attempts to interact on reddit didn't lead to many actual conversations, since once Bryan had said a thing, he didn't entertain questions about it, he simply said the exact same thing again.

Same with his TapATalk presence; he was curt with the few people who tried to interact. He mocked a fellow VSS sufferer for not spelling his (Bryan's) name properly and said he wouldn't engage in a conversation unless the person spelled his name properly (yes, he gave up his own first name; which the other user spelled as Brion),

He didn't use his name much as he went along, you have to really look to find all his posts, but he mostly wanted other people to rsepond to him, as opposed to responding helpfully to others.

IMO, looking at those postings.

 

[Dotta]

If he was InsideThinking, he was used to it. His attempts to interact on reddit didn't lead to many actual conversations, since once Bryan had said a thing, he didn't entertain questions about it, he simply said the exact same thing again.

Same with his TapATalk presence; he was curt with the few people who tried to interact. He mocked a fellow VSS sufferer for not spelling his (Bryan's) name properly and said he wouldn't engage in a conversation unless the person spelled his name properly (yes, he gave up his own first name; which the other user spelled as Brion),

He didn't use his name much as he went along, you have to really look to find all his posts, but he mostly wanted other people to rsepond to him, as opposed to responding helpfully to others.

IMO, looking at those postings.

Another MSM about the Ttalk

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger wrote about 'delusions of grandeur' in online forum

University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger posted in an online forum years ago that he had "crazy thoughts."

abcnews.go.com

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Idaho murder suspect's grad program keeps database of police bodycam vids and security footage​

Story by Keith Griffith For Dailymail.com 1/16/2023

"The source quoted by Fox News, who works for the university, speculated that Kohberger could have used the CSI Lab to view unredacted images from crime scenes, and other disturbing footage.

However, Phil Weiler, WSU's vice president of marketing and communications, told the outlet that Kohberger never obtained entry to the programs that maintain the footage.

[...]

But the insider claimed that 'multiple individuals who have not gone through the vetting or training' had access to the facility as part of their duties, including 'technical support staff.'"

Idaho murder suspect's grad program keeps database of police bodycam vids and security footage

 

[Yuletide]

I agree!

The families are consulted over defendant's plea deals but probably not with change of venue. It should be an important consideration, however, very often victim's families do not even live in the County where a loved one was killed.

BK's victims are all college students who have families who do not live in the Moscow area or County.

Don't all the families live out of State? And would have to fly in and get a hotel for the trial? Boise Idaho would be more convenient for that.

I believe three families live within fairly short driving distance

 

[newredtabby]

I'm not sure how BK could know her plans in any event.

Anyone could have known her plans just by following her socials.

 

[10ofRods]

The family of the victims has rights too. They should be able to attend that trial and moving it to a place difficult for the family et al to attend is cumbersome

None of them lives in Moscow. I believe one set is out of state, but do not know for sure. Moving the trial to Boise would place the trial closer to two sets of parents than Moscow is.

The family of the victims does not have a right to get choose a trial spot, though, it's too important to the overall case. It would be interesting to see it go down in Boise. The Latah County DA is used to a different crowd, I think.

 

[Cool Cats]

I believe three families live within fairly short driving distance

Thanks. Then I hope there is no change of venue so they have easy access back and forth to pretrial hearings and for the trial.

 

[Yuletide]

None of them lives in Moscow. I believe one set is out of state, but do not know for sure. Moving the trial to Boise would place the trial closer to two sets of parents than Moscow is.

The family of the victims does not have a right to get choose a trial spot, though, it's too important to the overall case. It would be interesting to see it go down in Boise. The Latah County DA is used to a different crowd, I think.

Check the distance from Post Falls ID, Rathdrum Id and Coeur ‘ Alene Idaho to Moscow. Then the distance from those places to Boise

 

[newredtabby]

Right.

I find reasons like "I did it because I needed to" or "I did it because I felt like it" to be very weak. A person who has insomnia and uses that as a reason to go 10 miles away to one specific neighborhood, where there is a specific house - where they will eventually break in and leave a knife sheath and kill 4 people - is not giving enough of a reason for being there if it's just, "I couldn't sleep."

Everyone and their brother would call that bull.

Fortunately, if all goes well, we will never hear him give his "reasons," as I doubt he'll take the stand. I do wonder if his attorney would allow it in the penalty phase though (I bet he'll come across as Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs if he does).

I suspect if it makes it to trial he will absolutely take the stand. Also, his attorney doesn't need to "allow" him to take the stand. If he wants to, he can. It's his right.

 

[CityKid]

You might be surprised. Source: I work in media.

indicolite22 said:
I wouldn't consider friends or family investigative sources.

I'm sorry my formatting is wonky. I'm also sorry my answer to @indicolite22 was a bit snippy. The phrases People used are "investigative source on the case" and "investigator familiar with the case." Those are carefully worded phrases that avoid "working on the case" or "part of the investigation" or anything similar that would lead one to believe the source is a part of the official investigational team. This is treading very carefully in light of the gag order. So for this source to have access to someone's IG hidden DMs, they would either have the phone or laptop and access to social media accounts, but not be law enforcement or officially involved in investigating the case. Who would you think might have this access? A friend or family member? I believe from almost all of the early stories that there are people close enough to have access to a victim's socials who are investigating this case, because those people have said they are investigating this case.