ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Except they weren't knocked out. The dog, the witness roommate, and XK were all awake. MOO but the PCA describes all of their movements, and BK's, up to and after the murders. You said "I had a theory", does that mean past tense, as in you no longer think this is possible?

Yes and No.
I did replt to someone earlier who mentioned how they were not knocked out and I said then that I was going to add to my original post that obviously that if there was something placed in the HVAC then it wasnt strong enough as it didnt knock them out, but maybe it was to make them drowsy or sleepy. It is far fetched, I admit and Yes, it WAS a theory that I kinda kicked to the back burner but I feel i need to know how it is not possible.
What really kicked off this idea for me was the very generalized mask covering the nose and mouth in the PCA. It doesnt say what kind of mask and so it could be a breathing apparatus mask, then the HVAC van being there and BK having some HVAC knowledge. It seemed like it could of happened.
I totally welcome any facts that can null hypothesise this for me, so i can get it off the back burner and into the garbage!

 

[esayer]

If he was InsideThinking, he was used to it. His attempts to interact on reddit didn't lead to many actual conversations, since once Bryan had said a thing, he didn't entertain questions about it, he simply said the exact same thing again.

Same with his TapATalk presence; he was curt with the few people who tried to interact. He mocked a fellow VSS sufferer for not spelling his (Bryan's) name properly and said he wouldn't engage in a conversation unless the person spelled his name properly (yes, he gave up his own first name; which the other user spelled as Brion),

He didn't use his name much as he went along, you have to really look to find all his posts, but he mostly wanted other people to rsepond to him, as opposed to responding helpfully to others.

IMO, looking at those postings.

InsideLooking is NOT BK. The account was deleted by user after BK was arrested, and they got a lot wrong about the case, as did PoppaRodger, which is also not BK. Also, PR account was commenting about stuff in Indiana before the murders. IMO

 

[Seattle1]

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html

Jan 17, 2023

Bryan Kohberger told a fellow Washington State University graduate student living in the same on-campus housing complex that he submitted his DNA for consumer genetic testing to explore his ancestry, the neighbor told the Idaho Statesman. Kohberger, 28, was a Ph.D. student in WSU’s criminal justice and criminology department.

He now stands charged with four counts of first-degree murder and felony burglary in the killing of four University of Idaho students on Nov. 13.

Kohberger’s neighbor said the two became acquainted while crossing paths on the residential property a handful of times after they each moved there in August. The WSU Ph.D. student lives across from the apartment where Kohberger resided until recently, and he said the two traded cellphone numbers.

[..]

That August evening, the two grad students ran into each other in the large housing complex’s parking lot next to their buildings, the man said during an interview at his apartment. Kohberger then asked him if he wanted to walk and talk, he said, and the two got to know each other a little while taking laps around the asphalt parking area.

During their discussion, Kohberger asked his neighbor, who is not from the U.S., whether he could identify Kohberger’s ancestral background, the man said. The neighbor said he guessed Italy before Kohberger stated that he was of German descent.

“He talked about his ancestors,” the 30-year-old neighbor said. “He had some sort of DNA test. I don’t know how he got to that point. … It was just interesting to him.”

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html#storylink=cpy

 

[r3d-ros3]

InsideThinking is NOT BK. The account was deleted by user after BK was arrested, and they got a lot wrong about the case, as did PoppaRodger, which is also not BK. Also, PR account was commenting about stuff in Indiana before the murders. IMO

Agree and there has been extensive work done by users on other platforms to debunk InsideLooking -- apparently, he was active during BK's Indiana traffic stops and after his arrest.

I don't know enough about the PR account, although I do think it's extremely unusual that MSM is latching onto this account. I feel like it's irresponsible, IMO.

 

[NLM1234]

"Authorities remain tight-lipped about the alleged motive in the attack. They have not publicly discussed the relationship between Kohberger and the victims. Kohberger's now-deleted Instagram account — which was viewed by PEOPLE before it was removed — followed the accounts of Mogen, Gonclaves and Kernodle, but there was no public interaction."

Accused Idaho Killer Bryan Kohberger Repeatedly Messaged One of the Victims on Instagram: Source

"He was persistent," an investigative source on the case tells PEOPLE

people.com

 

[10ofRods]

I believe three families live within fairly short driving distance

Of where? Not of Moscow.

Kaylee and Maddie were from Coeur D'Alene, and the interviews with Mr and Mrs G have mostly been in their suburb just north of Coeur D'Alene. That's 2 hours one way (not "fairly short" to me, but YMMV). At any rate, I believe that adds an extra 2 hours (to move it to CdA) for the other parents, who may have to fly into airports in addition.

Moscow is almost 6 hours from Boise, but Boise has a major airport, perhaps making it easier for some of the other parents?

That would make it a long day's drive for the CdA parents. If it's true that the Kernodles have moved to Idaho, and if they are also in CdA, then CdA would make a good place for the trial - except for the fact that the news coverage has been just as big there, owing to the fact that two of the victims are hometown girls.

I think a place where no one went to school/high school (of the four) would be better.

Ethan's family is from Washington, but planes do arrive from their area to Boise (and to CdA, but more expensive).

It's a 6 hour drive to Moscow for the Chapins. None of these seem like short days to me, after a long day in court. I think they'll all need hotels or maybe AirBnB's if the trial is in Moscow.

It's an hour and 22 minutes from Seattle to Boise by air and RT is about $140. It's 1 hour and 8 minutes to Boise from Spokane (closest airport to CdA) and about $200 RT.

So the CdA parents would need to drive to Spokane, then fly to Boise as the most time efficient way of getting to a Boise trial. I'm sure the judge will give all of this some thought.

Other than CdA, I can't think of a place in No Idaho that would be suitable, but it may be considered too victim friendly, still, depending on the judge.

 

[NLM1234]

indicolite22 said:
I wouldn't consider friends or family investigative sources.

I'm sorry my formatting is wonky. I'm also sorry my answer to @indicolite22 was a bit snippy. The phrases People used are "investigative source on the case" and "investigator familiar with the case." Those are carefully worded phrases that avoid "working on the case" or "part of the investigation" or anything similar that would lead one to believe the source is a part of the official investigational team. This is treading very carefully in light of the gag order. So for this source to have access to someone's IG hidden DMs, they would either have the phone or laptop and access to social media accounts, but not be law enforcement or officially involved in investigating the case. Who would you think might have this access? A friend or family member? I believe from almost all of the early stories that there are people close enough to have access to a victim's socials who are investigating this case, because those people have said they are investigating this case.

How about somebody who worked at Instagram?

 

[Chrissymick]

IMO just because the messages don’t seem to indicate frustration does not mean he wasn’t frustrated, you can see when people are online and if he messaged while they were online and got no response that would be frustrating, he would think he was being ignored.

I would be curious to know if he was cold messaging other women. Definitely not a good fact for him either way, but less damning imo if he cast a wide net.

 

[Cool Cats]

Right.

I find reasons like "I did it because I needed to" or "I did it because I felt like it" to be very weak. A person who has insomnia and uses that as a reason to go 10 miles away to one specific neighborhood, where there is a specific house - where they will eventually break in and leave a knife sheath and kill 4 people - is not giving enough of a reason for being there if it's just, "I couldn't sleep."

Everyone and their brother would call that bull.

Fortunately, if all goes well, we will never hear him give his "reasons," as I doubt he'll take the stand. I do wonder if his attorney would allow it in the penalty phase though (I bet he'll come across as Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs if he does).

Even if he took the stand we would never hear his reasons because he would only take the stand in his own defense.

He would tell the jury he did not commit these murders, he wasn't in Moscow or was there doing something else, whatever he and his attorneys can come up with.

If there is overwhelming evidence I doubt he would take the stand. I believe no defense attorney in their right mind would want BK to take the stand and would try to convince him it would be in his best interest not to.

But his attorneys could not stop him. I believe he would "wither and die" under the prosecution's cross examination.

 

[r3d-ros3]

I have a closed (invite-only) insta. <modsnip> If you message someone who doesn't follow you, your message goes into their request folder. I check my request folder every few months because a message from a friend wouldn't show up there; it would be in my regular messages.

Mine is the same and I agree.

I distinctly remember people visiting Kaylee, Maddie, and Xana's Instagram pages in the immediate aftermath of the murders. I remember Kaylee's being public. I'm not sure what the DM (direct message) inbox looks like for a public account, but I'm sure that it is filtered in as similar way. I.e., messages from people you do not follow are filtered into a separate account. I think this is called "message requests."

 

[Sachi]

I have a question about social media photos. The photo of the 4 roommates ( with the 2 others cropped) has been used widely on MSM and internet social media sites. The photo belongs to someone and if so doesn't that photo have to be permitted and/or paid for by anyone who wishes to use it for news, documentaries etc.
I get this creepy feeling every time I see that iconic happy group of beautiful college students related to a story dedicated to and about the accused killer. And what if the parents or parent did not want their Childs photo associated with anything to advertise/sell a story about this gruesome mass murder where BK is the main event?

Copyright laws dictate that whoever took the photo owns the photo. Even if you're simply using it on your Instagram, the person who took the photo has the right to sue you if they wish. Therefore, explicit permission is required to avoid any issues.

 

[esayer]

Agree and there has been extensive work done by users on other platforms to debunk InsideLooking -- apparently, he was active during BK's Indiana traffic stops and after his arrest.

I don't know enough about the PR account, although I do think it's extremely unusual that MSM is latching onto this account. I feel like it's irresponsible, IMO.

Agree 100%. They are latching onto how PR talked about the sheath being left...in that case, MassGuy must also be BK since he called the sheath in like the first thread lol.

 

[10ofRods]

Agree and there has been extensive work done by users on other platforms to debunk InsideLooking -- apparently, he was active during BK's Indiana traffic stops and after his arrest.

I don't know enough about the PR account, although I do think it's extremely unusual that MSM is latching onto this account. I feel like it's irresponsible, IMO.

He was not, IMO, active DURING the traffic stops (AFAIK), but certainly during the drive back to PA. But, BK had his phone with him and I am guessing all of that outgoing talk he was doing (if he was doing) can be snooped on his phone.

<modsnip: Stating info as fact without supporting links>

It's also possible it was deleted by Reddit who, by then, had probably been contacted by attorneys and/or LE. Reddit's server will know where the various posts were coming from - although I doubt it will be very relevant to the case from here on out.

 

[10ofRods]

Agree 100%. They are latching onto how PR talked about the sheath being left...in that case, MassGuy must also be BK since he called the sheath in like the first thread lol.

True! So did my husband. They must both be BK! I am way more convinced by the TapATalk posts (that it is BK) and there isn't/wasn't much of value in the Reddit posts anyway.

BUT, InsideLooking does claim to be from Massachusetts!

 

[TL4S]

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html

Jan 17, 2023

Bryan Kohberger told a fellow Washington State University graduate student living in the same on-campus housing complex that he submitted his DNA for consumer genetic testing to explore his ancestry, the neighbor told the Idaho Statesman. Kohberger, 28, was a Ph.D. student in WSU’s criminal justice and criminology department.

He now stands charged with four counts of first-degree murder and felony burglary in the killing of four University of Idaho students on Nov. 13.

Kohberger’s neighbor said the two became acquainted while crossing paths on the residential property a handful of times after they each moved there in August. The WSU Ph.D. student lives across from the apartment where Kohberger resided until recently, and he said the two traded cellphone numbers.

[..]

That August evening, the two grad students ran into each other in the large housing complex’s parking lot next to their buildings, the man said during an interview at his apartment. Kohberger then asked him if he wanted to walk and talk, he said, and the two got to know each other a little while taking laps around the asphalt parking area.

During their discussion, Kohberger asked his neighbor, who is not from the U.S., whether he could identify Kohberger’s ancestral background, the man said. The neighbor said he guessed Italy before Kohberger stated that he was of German descent.

“He talked about his ancestors,” the 30-year-old neighbor said. “He had some sort of DNA test. I don’t know how he got to that point. … It was just interesting to him.”

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html#storylink=cpy

This just keeps getting stranger and stranger...

 

[Yuletide]

None of them lives in Moscow. I believe one set is out of state, but do not know for sure. Moving the trial to Boise would place the trial closer to two sets of parents than Moscow is.

The family of the victims does not have a right to get choose a trial spot, though, it's too important to the overall case. It would be interesting to see it go down in Boise. The Latah County DA is used to a different crowd, I think.

Check the distance from Post Falls ID, Rathdrum Id and Coeur ‘ Alene Idaho to Moscow. Then the distance from those places to Boii

Of where? Not of Moscow.

Kaylee and Maddie were from Coeur D'Alene, and the interviews with Mr and Mrs G have mostly been in their suburb just north of Coeur D'Alene. That's 2 hours one way (not "fairly short" to me, but YMMV). At any rate, I believe that adds an extra 2 hours (to move it to CdA) for the other parents, who may have to fly into airports in addition.

Moscow is almost 6 hours from Boise, but Boise has a major airport, perhaps making it easier for some of the other parents?

That would make it a long day's drive for the CdA parents. If it's true that the Kernodles have moved to Idaho, and if they are also in CdA, then CdA would make a good place for the trial - except for the fact that the news coverage has been just as big there, owing to the fact that two of the victims are hometown girls.

I think a place where no one went to school/high school (of the four) would be better.

Ethan's family is from Washington, but planes do arrive from their area to Boise (and to CdA, but more expensive).

It's a 6 hour drive to Moscow for the Chapins. None of these seem like short days to me, after a long day in court. I think they'll all need hotels or maybe AirBnB's if the trial is in Moscow.

It's an hour and 22 minutes from Seattle to Boise by air and RT is about $140. It's 1 hour and 8 minutes to Boise from Spokane (closest airport to CdA) and about $200 RT.

So the CdA parents would need to drive to Spokane, then fly to Boise as the most time efficient way of getting to a Boise trial. I'm sure the judge will give all of this some thought.

Other than CdA, I can't think of a place in No Idaho that would be suitable, but it may be considered too victim friendly, still, depending on the judge.

84 miles from Coeur d Alene to Moscow. Just saying. Anyway. Much further 292 to Boise. On with the conversation and I hope they don’t achieve a change of venue

 

[esayer]

He was not, IMO, active DURING the traffic stops (AFAIK), but certainly during the drive back to PA. But, BK had his phone with him and I am guessing all of that outgoing talk he was doing (if he was doing) can be snooped on his phone.

<modsnip: Stating info as fact without supporting links>

It's also possible it was deleted by Reddit who, by then, had probably been contacted by attorneys and/or LE. Reddit's server will know where the various posts were coming from - although I doubt it will be very relevant to the case from here on out.

<modsnip: Quoted post was modsnipped> ...when you go to the account, it says 'deleted by user'. When reddit deletes an account it says 'this account has been suspended' IMO

 

[r3d-ros3]

I have a question about social media photos. The photo of the 4 roommates ( with the 2 others cropped) has been used widely on MSM and internet social media sites. The photo belongs to someone and if so doesn't that photo have to be permitted and/or paid for by anyone who wishes to use it for news, documentaries etc.
I get this creepy feeling every time I see that iconic happy group of beautiful college students related to a story dedicated to and about the accused killer. And what if the parents or parent did not want their Childs photo associated with anything to advertise/sell a story about this gruesome mass murder where BK is the main event?

Copyright laws dictate that whoever took the photo owns the photo. Even if you're simply using it on your Instagram, the person who took the photo has the right to sue you if they wish. Therefore, explicit permission is required to avoid any issues.

I believe the photo was originally posted, the day of the murders, on one of their public Instagram pages.

Regarding copyright laws and how they impact public social media profiles, you might check this article out. An artist used public Instagram posts, from other users without permission, in an art exhibit. There are no (current) copyright laws protecting social media posts.

 

[steeltowngirl]

The way he drives (and draws attention to himself, seemingly without thought) reminds me of my cat who will hide behind a sheer curtain, with paws and tail clearly visible, convinced that no one can see her. Someone (maybe @10ofRods) said that it was like the car was his safe place and nothing could happen to him (my apologies if I have misremembered the original point). I've been driving for 55 years (yikes) and never got 3 tickets for anything other than an expired meter, let alone 3 tickets in a few months and 2 within an hour of each other.

Fellow Pittsburgher here. Depending on the area, could be speed traps. 3 moving violation tickets in a few months isn’t really a lot, or even 2 the same day.

Then there’s parking tickets (think Pittsburgh parking chairs ). I once got a parking ticket while inside the courthouse fighting another ticket!

 

[10ofRods]

Check the distance from Post Falls ID, Rathdrum Id and Coeur ‘ Alene Idaho to Moscow. Then the distance from those places to Boii

66 miles from Coeur d Alene to Moscow. Just saying. Anyway. Much further 292 to Boise. On with the conversation and I hope they don’t achieve a change of venue

<modsnip> It's about 20 minutes longer to Moscow from Rathdrum, if that's what kind of parsing of the trip you want.

It's still longer for the family that doesn't live in Idaho.

AND, I said exactly what you said - MUCH further for the CdA area families if it's moved to Boise (but a short plane ride perhaps for the some of the others).

<modsnip> All I care about it is that the Court closes all loopholes to appeal and justice is served. First priority.