ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 67

[jepop]

From the unsealed document:

"These murders appear to have been
planned, rather than a crime that happened in a moment of conflict. Ibelieve it likely that
Kohberger planned his actions ahead of time ."

That makes me think that all the murders might have been planned. We've discussed at length how there could have been one main victim and the rest were collateral damage, but that sounds as though he intended to kill all of them from the get-go. JMOO Thoughts?

The search warrant is full of incredible details and clears up a number of blanks in the PCA IMO. But to my mind, the (probable) fact (or likelihood) that murder was planned doesn't really talk to the number of targets he intitially planned to kill in that house. I'm not sure it adds anything to support speculations as to whom and/or how many were prime targets. I think we all speculate on that because it is something that only BK (allegedly) would know for certain. MOO

ETA, IMO when more evidence, especially digital is recovered/analysed and made public (not till trial?) we'll have more clues as to likely targets, obsessions etc. MOO

 

[drmrgrl]

I think that he was somehow offended by the victims. He may not have had a need to kill them.JMO

IMO. Something happened and only those four roommates knew of it or were involved. Again, it’s nothing that XEKM overtly did, it was how the occurrence or event was perceived or in this case MISPERCEIVED…

 

[layer]

IE the Walmart receipt: He didn't get the knife at Walmart did he?
<modsnip - name calling not allowed>

Link to exact knife sold at walmart.

Sigh... This knife is not sold at Walmart

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[GRT]

Has it been suggested that he deliberately left that sheath (not realizing he had left DNA on it) because it does NOT match the knife he used, so is a mislead?

The warrant document does list "sheath" as an example of an item they would be looking for in his apartment, so perhaps they thought there was a second/different sheath? Did the sheath they find not match the knife size as evidenced by the wounds?

We have had suggestions that he left the sheath on purpose, but if so, I can't figure out his end game. Oh heck, even if he left it accidentally, I can't figure out his endgame. MOO

 

[layer]

The more we learn about BK, the creepier he gets.

Bryan Kohberger 'messaged victim on INSTAGRAM before killings'

A new report indicates that suspected University of Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger was 'persistent' in sending Instagram messaged to one of the victims in the weeks leading up to the attacks.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Speaking with PEOPLE, one police source said...
Once again, one police source that remains unnamed, who apparentlly has no interest in obeying the law.
Not buying it.

 

[Elley Mae]

The newly released court document reveals what investigators seized from Kohberger’s home. The list of evidence includes “nine possible hair strands” and “one possible animal hair strand.” Authorities also recovered “one nitrite type black glove,” “one computer tower,” as well as, “one collection of dark red spot” and “two cuttings from uncased pillow of reddish/brown stain.”

Search warrant for Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger unsealed

Kohberger, 28 and a student at Washington State University, is accused in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[jepop]

The fact that all of this evidence was in his apartment a month after the murders is sort of mind blowing. IMO

I hope you're right. To me the return receipt re the items of physical evidence removed (computer and potential digital evidence excepted), especially the few hairs, doesn't seem that much. I keep remembering that BK had been living there from the date of the murders to mid DEC when he left for PA. Not only lots of time to clean up and empty vacuum numerous times before LE got him on their radar, but he had been back to WSU, his father (presumably, I may be wrong?) was there (for at least some time?) prior to Road trip, he's been out to shops or God knows where...so many scenarios where those hairs could be from numerous unrelated sources. Not so sure of the red spotted areas removed from mattress/pillow IMO (can't remember at present), I'm keen to know what the results are there but that kind of thing we won't know until trial IMO. I'm anticipating that the digital evidence might be key - from both computer and phone. In all events, after reading the search warrant and all the extra details related to the PCA, I feel this is a super strong circumstancial case.

I also noted in the warrant that the DNA on sheath button was requested to be excluded from the application for Warrant and the judge accepted this, whilst explicitly noting that the exclusion does NOT mean that the evidence is at all exculpatory. It is explained in the application for warrant that the case for probable cause is strong without the DNA and LE asks for the exlusion on the grounds that at some future point, should that particular dna evidence ever be questioned by the defense, the PCA will still stand and cannot be put into question by the Defense. That was my reading of that part, MOO. That's not to say that it is at all questionable. LE is just being cautious, and the circumstantial evidence is so tight. Thats all MOO from my reading of the application for search warrant. Almost 30 pages.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/search%20warrant%20for%20bryan%20kohberger%20apartment/ddb059f6cc8e24c1/full.pdf

 

[drmrgrl]

<modsnip> Does BK have a doodle? No. Who has a doodle? Kaylee and the occupants of 1122 King Road. <modsnip>

They do not shed as much as many dogs (see my avatar for reference to a dog that sheds like crazy, two times a year). However, ALL hair eventually falls out of any mammal. Each hair has its own lifespan. It's hard to avoid animal hair if you are around one.

If there's Doodle hair at BK's apt, that's excellent circumstantial evidence to add to the ever-increasing pile.

IMO, dogs shed a lot under stress or emotional upset. If Murphy was upset and barking on the morning of Nov 13, you can be sure that Murphy was shedding

 

[Elley Mae]

Police also found shoes with diamond-pattern soles — matching footprints found at the murder scene — as well as “data compilations” of information about the victims.

Search warrants for accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger’s home unsealed

Washington State University Police recovered a possibly blood-stained mattress cover, human hairs, a glove and a computer from University of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger’s apartment, accord…

nypost.com

 

[drmrgrl]

Yes!!!! Murphy will be the star “witness”. Dogs are amazing. Wow…wouldn’t that be something though?!

IMO, yes that would! But I knew that all along……

 

[drmrgrl]

Not sure if this has been used in courts though.

Forensic DNA-typing of dog hair: DNA-extraction and PCR amplification

The forensic application of DNA-typing for the identification of dog hair provides objective evidence in the characterisation of traces found at crime…

www.sciencedirect.com

Automated DNA extraction of single dog hairs without roots for mitochondrial DNA analysis

Dogs are intensely integrated in human social life and their shed hairs can play a major role in forensic investigations. The overall aim of this stud…

www.sciencedirect.com

edit: added 2nd link to paper on extraction from non root canine hair

IMO, thanks!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I'm sure there were additional search warrants in PA, and for the Elantra, but they aren't included in the document released today. They did, however, include his WSU office (alongside his WA apartment, in the warrant released today), but apparently did not find / seize anything from it.

State police had to have a no-knock warrant in PA to breach the house and arrest him.
Pennsylvania State Police hold press conference

 

[drmrgrl]

Black rubber glove. Just one? Things of that nature drive me crazy. It’s as though he taunting police.

IMO, maybe BK is covering up for somebody else. IDK

 

[jepop]

Police also found shoes with diamond-pattern soles — matching footprints found at the murder scene — as well as “data compilations” of information about the victims.

Search warrants for accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger’s home unsealed

Washington State University Police recovered a possibly blood-stained mattress cover, human hairs, a glove and a computer from University of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger’s apartment, accord…

nypost.com

I don't see any shoes on the return of services warrant. Are we sure the NY Post got this right?

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/search%20warrant%20for%20bryan%20kohberger%20apartment/ddb059f6cc8e24c1/full.pdf

STATE OF WASHINGTON
COUNTY OF WHITMAN
ISSUED BY:
SUPERIOR COURT , WHITMAN COUNTY, WASHINGTON
SW NO. 12-29-2022A( amended)
Returnof Service of Search Warrant
( Residenceand Storage Closet)
DATE ISSUED :
DATE SERVED :
SERVED BY:
HOW SERVED:
ITEMS SEIZED:
12-29-2022
12-30-2022
Return of Service of Search Warrant
per
order
SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE GARY J. LIBEY
ASST . CHIEF DAWN DANIELS , 302
IN PERSON
FILED
JAN 03 2023
JILL
COUNTY CLERK
1. One nitritetype black glove
2. 1 Walmart receipt with one Dickiestag
2 Marshallsreceipts
Dust container from Bissell Power Force" vacuum
5. 8 possiblehair strands
6. Fire TV stick with cord/ plug
7. 1 possible animal hair strand
8. 1 possiblehair
9. 1 possible hair
10.1 possiblehair
11. 1 possible hair strand
All seized from Residence and currently stored at WSU PD
12. 1 computer tower
A. 1 collection of dark red spot ( collected without testing)
B. 2 cuttings from uncased pillow of reddish/ brown stain ( larger stain tested)
C. 2 top and bottom of mattress cover packaged separately both labeled
multiplestains ( one t

 

[drmrgrl]

Snipped for focus. This is where you lose me. This argument would not convince me as a juror, knowing how close the towns are and having lived in rural areas myself. There are all kinds of reasons for his cell phone to be in the area months before that don't include stalking. The rest of your post is where the damning evidence lies.

MOO.

IMO, I remember watching the 20/20 Horror in Idaho episode. There was a male WSU student who stated that Pullman WA and Moscow, ID are like one big community, and that it is not unusual for students from WSU to go to Moscow for eating, shopping and the arts.

 

[Firstsnow4]

I don't see any shoes on the return of services warrant. Are we sure the NY Post got this right?

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/search%20warrant%20for%20bryan%20kohberger%20apartment/ddb059f6cc8e24c1/full.pdf

STATE OF WASHINGTON
COUNTY OF WHITMAN
ISSUED BY:
SUPERIOR COURT , WHITMAN COUNTY, WASHINGTON
SW NO. 12-29-2022A( amended)
Returnof Service of Search Warrant
( Residenceand Storage Closet)
DATE ISSUED :
DATE SERVED :
SERVED BY:
HOW SERVED:
ITEMS SEIZED:
12-29-2022
12-30-2022
Return of Service of Search Warrant
per
order
SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE GARY J. LIBEY
ASST . CHIEF DAWN DANIELS , 302
IN PERSON
FILED
JAN 03 2023
JILL
COUNTY CLERK
1. One nitritetype black glove
2. 1 Walmart receipt with one Dickiestag
2 Marshallsreceipts
Dust container from Bissell Power Force" vacuum
5. 8 possiblehair strands
6. Fire TV stick with cord/ plug
7. 1 possible animal hair strand
8. 1 possiblehair
9. 1 possible hair
10.1 possiblehair
11. 1 possible hair strand
All seized from Residence and currently stored at WSU PD
12. 1 computer tower
A. 1 collection of dark red spot ( collected without testing)
B. 2 cuttings from uncased pillow of reddish/ brown stain ( larger stain tested)
C. 2 top and bottom of mattress cover packaged separately both labeled
multiplestains ( one t

I think the NYpost must have got this wrong as like you say it’s not stated in the warrant. IMO.

 

[jepop]

Search warrants for accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger’s home unsealed

Washington State University Police recovered a possibly blood-stained mattress cover, human hairs, a glove and a computer from University of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger’s apartment, accord…

nypost.com

This article says that LE found/removed shoes from BK's apartment. It appears to state that as fact. This contradicts with Return of Service document.

IMO the NYPost has confused the application for warrant and what LE applied to search for with what was actually found (specified in Return of Service). MOO and I could be wrong.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/search%20warrant%20for%20bryan%20kohberger%20apartment/ddb059f6cc8e24c1/full.pdf

ETA: One more reminder to read MSM and all reporting carefully and with a critical eye MOO

 

[layer]

Has it been suggested that he deliberately left that sheath (not realizing he had left DNA on it) because it does NOT match the knife he used, so is a mislead?

It has been suggested. It just doesn't make sense to me. Is he going to pull out the murder weapon now and say "Look! My knife doesn't match that sheath!"

Reminds me of the bank robber, when charged with robbing the bank of $10,000, saying "It was only $5,000, your honor!"

 

[jepop]

I think the NYpost must have got this wrong as like you say it’s not stated in the warrant. IMO.

It seems that way

 

[Nila Aella]

I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out why not the other 2 then? If it was planned, then surely he knew 2 others occupied the house too. Why were they left untouched? In the beginning we (most of us, anyway) thought it could have been because their bedroom doors were locked. Now we know that wasn't the case. It appears BK made absolutely zero effort to go after either and both of them. MOO

I think only four of the six were targeted. I also think the motive is extremely important in this case and will lead to the killer/s. Unfortunately, I fear that the only people who know the motive are no longer with us, and the killer/s. In addition to the evidence obtained through the search warrants, I particularly want to know what happened between 1:45 and 4 am, and more detail about XK's and EC's night out. JMO
And if I am wrong, I won't eat my shoe!