ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

[WingsOverTX]

We do not have "Barristers" in the US, but the UK does.

Lawyers can charge whatever amount they want for their representation.

Just what is "old fashioned" about "courts, legal systems"?

Exactly what is "2023 language"?

If you were a judge, you would not lift the gag order.

Not the OP, but IMO there is truth in what was stated. Here is my POV:

Lawyers can charge whatever they want. But the cost of good legal representation is so high that many people do not get adequate to great counsel to defend them. Not sure of the solution, but the problem is serious.

2023 language would mean not clothing procedures in terminology only insiders/trained experts understand. Just because certain kinds of legalese is the current norm doesn't mean some changes that allow laypersons more understanding are not possible. Why not? It's no longer 1776.

If I were a judge, I would only issue a gag order for a very limited time & purpose. Why? Because free speech rights are so vital & fear is not the best tool in the legal toolbox. States with Sunshine Laws manage to reduce fear & release public documents. That is more in keeping with justice than judges imposing restrictions that keep the public in the dark. Competing viewpoints enrich the search for truth.

JMHO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Random thought.

I'm not sure the sheath was noticed as missing until reports came out about LE searching for a KA-BAR knife. I've mentioned previously, no one I know puts a dirty knife back in the sheath. That makes it contaminated. I, and most people I know, clean the knife sharpen the knife and depending on the blade oil the knife, then put it back in its sheath. So BK may have had no intention of putting the blade back in the sheath and not noticed it missing.

What could be interesting is to find out if his phone pinged anywhere back on the same long route he might have taken from Moscow to Pullman, but from Pullman heading back to Moscow in subsequent days but not going all the way to Moscow. As in maybe going back to check anything he might have dumped to see if the sheath was in that bundle.

That's only if he wasn't smart enough to pitch the whole mess into a large body of water or into 5 different dumpsters in varying parts of the two cities that would be picked up on Sunday or Monday.

MOO

 

[ktm44]

It would be interesting to see, if the sheaths are reused each time, if there was any additional source of dna inside the sheath from a prior use. And if so, could this help, or possibly hurt the prosecution?

Are you asking generally if we purchase a new sheath each time we use our knives? The answer would be no, we tend to replace them if there is a signicant reason to replace them (lost or damaged). I'm fairly irresponsible with my glasses, my cell phone and numerous other items in my life but if I unsheath my knife, I'm pretty careful about getting it back in the sheath as soon as possible. An unsheathed knife causes me potential harm until that blade is protected and I have no interest in getting back on my horse or walking through the bush with a knife that can badly harm me.

Mine would have very little DNA inside the sheath but I suspect my friend, who uses a different brand may show animal DNA in his sheath.

If this knife was used to harm another human or animal, there may be DNA inside the sheath but I would thnk that has likely been tested and what was found would depend on how the owner cared for their knife.

 

[Helechawagirl]

I agree and they very likely have more information on the victim's/household patterns, habits and may be able to shed some light on the mysterious stalker.

I’m curious about the sliding glass door. I thought I read somewhere that there was no visible sign of forced entry so was the door locked or broken? LE put stools on front of it before they left so that would seem to indicate that the lock was broken? Would there be any liability on the part of the homeowner if the lock was broken?

And why was the front door wide open the morning after? Could one of the roommates have had a guest that stayed overnight and left early in the am wo closing the door completely? JMO wonderings.

 

[ktm44]

Random thought.

I'm not sure the sheath was noticed as missing until reports came out about LE searching for a KA-BAR knife. I've mentioned previously, no one I know puts a dirty knife back in the sheath. That makes it contaminated. I, and most people I know, clean the knife sharpen the knife and depending on the blade oil the knife, then put it back in its sheath. So BK may have had no intention of putting the blade back in the sheath and not noticed it missing.

What could be interesting is to find out if his phone pinged anywhere back on the same long route he might have taken from Moscow to Pullman, but from Pullman heading back to Moscow in subsequent days but not going all the way to Moscow. As in maybe going back to check anything he might have dumped to see if the sheath was in that bundle.

That's only if he wasn't smart enough to pitch the whole mess into a large body of water or into 5 different dumpsters in varying parts of the two cities that would be picked up on Sunday or Monday.

MOO

Nobody wants a dirty sheath and I agree that it's best to care for your knife properly before putting it back in a sheath but it does depend on time and circumstances. It may get a quick wash in a creek or snow but it is safer to sheath a less than ideally cleaned knife to transport than risk personal injury.

 

[want2solveit]

I think it is called SoleMate. They probably have multiple databases though. JMO

https://www.forensicsciencesimplified.org/fwtt/FootwearTireTracks.pdf

Forensic Databases: Paint, Shoe Prints, and Beyond

A detective working a missing persons case undoubtedly knows how to make the most of databases such as the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) and the Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System (IAFIS), but does he or she know how to investigate a paint chip, a tire track, an ink...

nij.ojp.gov

Footwear, The Missed Evidence

In almost every criminal investigation it is necessary to determine and prove that a particular person or persons may or may not have been present at the scene of a crime. For this reason, the collection, preservation and analysis of physical evidence has become more frequent in the law...

www.crime-scene-investigator.net

edit: Soul Mate changed to SoleMate lol

Hopefully, she will calm down. Merry Piglets endured high publicity too, during the Gabby Petito case.

BK probably ate in many restaurants. But it just so happens that two employees of one restaurant end up as his victims. It’s only natural that whether or not he visited Mad Greek, is being scrutinized.

I decided LE knows best about this case. If they have facts and details they choose to keep from the public, so what? We have no right or need to know. The defense attny will get it all in Discovery. I believe there is evidence the public isn't aware of that will be presented at trial.

Personally, I find that notion very difficult to believe.

 

[debbiediablo]

Yeah. Isn't that like the difference between "2 in a thousand" and "2 in a million"?

(Sorry. I probably don't need to explain I'm not a STEM guy.)

Close enough to get a warrant to compare suspect's DNA with DNA found on the knife.

 

[DWillS]

Well, let's consider it.



I'd be shocked if every person in Pullman doesn't go to Moscow and vice versa. Until we know more about exactly where his phone pinged, I don't think this his being in Moscow or even in the neighborhood of the house is strong evidence.



To go to Moscow, like probably every other student at the UW campus. If there's any pattern to him leaving the UW campus late at night or early in the morning (since earlier reports had neighbors saying he was up at night), then this can be explained too.



Phones run out of batteries. Mine did yesterday at work actually and I didn't have my charger with me.



THIS is your smoking gun.



I don't know, I think the current evidence sans DNA is crap, IMO. I think it would be difficult to get a conviction just based on pings and times his car leaves UW. I do think the police likely have more though so we'll see.

All the above is MOO.

It's WSU (Washington State University,) not UW (University of Washington.) WSU main campus is in Pullman. UW main campus is in Seattle on the other side of the state. They are distinctly different universities.

(I'm a WA resident and UW alum.)

Sidenote: Ted Bundy briefly attended UW and his first know victim was Karen Sparks, a UW student.

 

[Rallodgnrl]

LE has been very limited on their data release, but I recommend you read the probable cause affidavit for BK's arrest if you haven't already. Lots of media stories about this or that, basically impossible to keep up, but the PCA has a lot of helpful LE info about all of this. Link to the cases of interest page: Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

There was DNA on a knife sheath left behind, at least one shoe print, and an eyewitness who was not hurt saw him leaving the house, not to mention lots of videos of the car and cell phone pings. Luckily this guy left a lot of evidence

There is no eyewitness to the murder of anyone of the victims.
The person's statement was limited to someone in all black with a mask covering nose & mouth, their approximate height, and that they had "bushy" eyebrows.
Does that equal her saying, "I saw BK leaving my house."
Facts really do matter.

 

[eloquence]

There is no eyewitness to the murder of anyone of the victims.
The person's statement was limited to someone in all black with a mask covering nose & mouth, their approximate height, and that they had "bushy" eyebrows.
Does that equal her saying, "I saw BK leaving my house."
Facts really do matter.

She was definitely an eyewitness to him leaving the scene and also heard the events... I never said she saw the murders.

I'm sure the prosecution put his picture in a lineup for DM. And she eliminates a lot of people with the description given it's spot onto BK - defense will have a hard time saying it's someone short, obese, a woman, someone in victims' inner circle etc.

Of course she didn't say on Nov 13 "it was BK" given that she very likely had never seen him before.

 

[Dialectic]

LE has been very limited on their data release, but I recommend you read the probable cause affidavit for BK's arrest if you haven't already. Lots of media stories about this or that, basically impossible to keep up, but the PCA has a lot of helpful LE info about all of this. Link to the cases of interest page: Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

There was DNA on a knife sheath left behind, at least one shoe print, and an eyewitness who was not hurt saw him leaving the house, not to mention lots of videos of the car and cell phone pings. Luckily this guy left a lot of evidence

I believe the PCA specifically states she saw him walking towards the back door, she never saw him actually leaving. However, other than the tight timeline and LE belief, there is nothing that states he actually walked out the door after she saw him.

Like the game telephone, one small change in the facts can lead to huge deviations and while speculations.

 

[Pink2017]

There is no eyewitness to the murder of anyone of the victims.
The person's statement was limited to someone in all black with a mask covering nose & mouth, their approximate height, and that they had "bushy" eyebrows.
Does that equal her saying, "I saw BK leaving my house."
Facts really do matter.

roomate is outstanding, A+, more to come.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I think it reaches SG and other family members who are represented by lawyers in this way: the order goes on to prohibit actions that indirectly but intentionally violate the order. The lawyers as officers of the court are at risk of contempt proceedings and even loss of their licenses to practice if information in their possession leaks out through their client. They have every reason to ask their clients to refrain from making public statements that could get the lawyer in trouble, and to advise that their best interests will be served by letting the justice system do its work without trying to influence the outcome through the press.

Great explanation. Thank you.

 

[NottaYutz]

do you mean the crim.kohberger one or any particular one?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1616175468503334912

MOO. The "bryan.kohberger.phd" handle seems likely to be him considering he would probably want people to know he was a Ph.D.

I do hope the prosecution subpoenas a map/route expert to confirm routes and their distances from Kohberger's apartment to the murder scene, because Kohberger's statement "I’m 10 miles away from this." continues to haunt me as waaay too precise.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I also noticed that, but we don't know if LE were there due to harassment of employees or owner by media or other persons, or if this was a visit to interview staff/owner and ask for video surveillance, etc.

Another possibility is that LE had to interview people close to the victims: significant others, parents and other relatives, friends, employers, co-workers, ex-dating partners, etc.

 

[Zella]

MOO. The "bryan.kohberger.phd" handle seems likely to be him considering he would probably want people to know he was a Ph.D.

I think he was smug and enjoyed people knowing he was in academia, but he may have had a practical motive for that. It's encouraged in many disciplines to have a social media presence as a budding professional. I know a lot of people I went to grad school with who have social media accounts, particularly Twitter, that is their formal academia account separate from a more private, informal, personal one. It would make sense to tack phd onto the handle for the former, though more honest to clarify he was in a program and hadn't earned one. MOO

 

[layer]

There is no eyewitness to the murder of anyone of the victims.
The person's statement was limited to someone in all black with a mask covering nose & mouth, their approximate height, and that they had "bushy" eyebrows.
Does that equal her saying, "I saw BK leaving my house."
Facts really do matter.

Facts do matter, and it is also noteworthy that they offered nothing that ties that shoe print to BK.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

MOO. The "bryan.kohberger.phd" handle seems likely to be him considering he would probably want people to know he was a Ph.D.

I do hope the prosecution subpoenas a map/route expert to confirm routes and their distances from Kohberger's apartment to the murder scene, because Kohberger's statement "I’m 10 miles away from this." continues to haunt me as waaay too precise.

BK is not a Ph.D. And it is a major no-no to attach those letters to your name if you are a graduate students. Just would not happen.

 

[NottaYutz]

Let's think about some of the potential evidence that could be brought up in trial:

• 4 autopsies, including whatever tox screens they ran
• fingerprints and footprints from theervi scene
• blood spatter, perhaps in 3-4 locations
• any evidence as to the order of the stabbing
• cell data going back months, correlated to vehicle movement
• phone calls
• pings on the victims' routers
• vehicle tracking, going back months (any sign that these weren't the only people he stalked?)
• social media accounts to determine if BK tried to contact the women
• forensic data on whatever came out of his parents' home
• forensic data of items from his apartment and WSU office
• any DNA found at the crime scene
• any DNA or body fluids or other forensic evidence found in his car
• the re-registration of the car
• purchase records for items used in the slaughter
• Any writings he did on social media or on his computer that illuminate how the victims got on his radar, when that happened, and why murder?
• The movements of the 4 victims on the day of the murders
• BK's movements on that day
• The surviving roommates' movements
• any evidence that BK stalked them or knew who they were

Feel free to edit, correct and add. Moo...

I don't recall, so asking: did Dylan say the masked man wore a head covering? If not, there could have been minute drops of victims' blood in the killer's hair, which could have been transferred to killer's pillowcase. FTR, I believe the killer is Kohberger, but he has not yet been convicted.

 

[wary]

I don't recall, so asking: did Dylan say the masked man wore a head covering? If not, there could have been minute drops of victims' blood in the killer's hair, which could have been transferred to killer's pillowcase. FTR, I believe the killer is Kohberger, but he has not yet been convicted.

Neither head covering nor hair is mentioned in the PCA, which is the only official source for what D saw.