ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

[BeginnerSleuther]

"We have no right or need to know." Completely disagree. What if this guy didn't do it? Then there's a quadruple murderer on the loose. We don't have the right to know that it is safe in Moscow? IMO it is going to be 2 years until trial. That's a lot of time for more murders and mayhem to just blindly think this thing is solved and everything is hunky dory. JMO.

No information LE has or doesn't have is going to tell you whether or not it's safe in Moscow. Even if you don't believe he did it, you won't know until you see ALL the evidence at trial. No one here is in charge of solving this case. The public has no right to this information until it's presented at trial. JMO.

 

[rabidstoat]

So where is the knife? Is it in the trunk? When he dumps everything he can see the knife and it's unsheathed, others here say it's unsafe uncovered. Surely he must notice it then.

You can carry a ka-bar unsheathed and not get cut. Way back in college, my roommate had a knife of a similar type and size that he always took with him when he was hiking around in the vast woodlands near our college at night. He didn't even own a sheath for it and just carried it in his hand like some crazy would-be murderer, I suppose. He used to hack at trees with it and dig holes and other weird stuff. I think he did cut himself once on accident but not bad and he did his nighttime hiking pretty regularly for all four years we were there.

Incidentally, I'm pretty positive he wasn't actually a murderer, he just was weird like that. I and others were usually with him on these nighttime excursions. He was actually my best friend in college and later we were backpacking around Europe for a few months and were inseparable and no one died in the process.

 

[Cool Cats]

‘Not true’: Restaurant denies report connecting Kohberger to victims

A former employee at the Mad Greek restaurant, where two victims worked, said that Kohberger stood out because he had a strict vegan order.

www.newsnationnow.com

(NewsNation) — The Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, is refuting a People magazine report that connected Idaho killing suspect Bryan Kohberger to his victims, saying “it is not true.”

“This will be my only response to this story from People… It is not true,” the restaurant said in a Facebook post. “I also have not forbidden employees from speaking to reporters. We all decided collectively to support the families and not share anything that could potentially harm the investigation or cause the families more stress.”

 

[Nova]

Close enough to get a warrant to compare suspect's DNA with DNA found on the knife.

Absolutely. I think 99.998% is about as close as one can get without being the same person.

 

[Petunia83]

Quick question:
When I was watching the news this week, several outlets reported that BK had been flowing all three of the female victims on Instagram… And then I wondered… if he has supposedly been at very least “stalking the house” (I base this on the PCA stating he’d been pinged outside the victim’s home on at least 12 occasions prior to the murders), was he following either of the two surviving roommates, BF and/or DM, on Instagram as well? Or no? Has anyone heard or read any reports from MSM specifically about the other two girls and if he was following EVERYONE in the house, or just the victims? Thanks!

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Well Jose Baez (Casey Anthony trial) certainly threw out wild speculations with NO evidence ever presented. And, apparently, it is not only allowed, but also effective.

In the Casey Anthony case, attorney Baez used the testimony of the alleged mistress of George Anthony to introduce the alternate theory/speculation that the father may have been involved in or had knowledge of the (alleged) accidental death of the child. In my opinion, he could not have done this if she had not testified. Attorneys are limited in what they can claim in opening and closing arguments and the prosecutors' objections are sustained when objecting to wild unsupported evidence that is supposedly exculpatory. MOO

 

[YepperBepper]

Only mentioned by an unnamed former employee, with, apparently, nothing to back up the claim.

The restaurant made a statement indicating that the "People" story is not true.

I know I'm late in the game and everyone here has probably seen in...but I'll post for those who may not have?

‘Not true’: Restaurant denies report connecting Kohberger to victims

A former employee at the Mad Greek restaurant, where two victims worked, said that Kohberger stood out because he had a strict vegan order.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[Nova]

Your right to free speech, like ALL rights, ends when it impinges on someone else's right(s). One absolutely has a right to free speech, but not at the expense of curtailing justice for other victims and society at large.

I never claimed that First Amendment rights were unqualified (though the tendency of SCOTUS in recent years has been to expand, rather than retract the right to free expression). But whether a statement by the relative of a victim actually curtails justice for the defendant is very much a grey area. I wish the magistrate luck in proving that something known by the parents would prevent a fair trial. Maybe she'll get her chance while news orgs are appealing the gag order.

FTR, I tend to be defense-oriented, but I question the constitutionality of gagging relatives, since they are not--in strict legal parlance--"parties to the action". I can better understand gagging an eyewitness--such as DM. Just as witnesses are often barred from the courtroom until after they have testified to prevent them from collaborating on their testimonies, if DM says too much to the press, it may allow other witnesses to deliberately corroborate or contradict DM's testimony in court. (Note: I'm not a lawyer and I don't know if an eyewitness is treated differently on this point.)

 

[PrairieWind]

So where is the knife? Is it in the trunk? When he dumps everything he can see the knife and it's unsheathed, others here say it's unsafe uncovered. Surely he must notice it then.

Agree. when he gets to the car he has to know he doesn't have the sheath. Maybe he did see DM and thinks he has no time to go back.

 

[Ghostwheel]

So where is the knife? Is it in the trunk? When he dumps everything he can see the knife and it's unsheathed, others here say it's unsafe uncovered. Surely he must notice it then.

As a thought, the knife could be rolled up in a towel, or hoodie, or bag. He might have assumed the sheath was wrapped up with the knife. I, personally, never sheath a dirty knife. If I can't clean it then (rarely happens as I don't take it out for just anything, I have a pocket knife for utility), I wrap it in a kerchief and put it in a pack. The sheath goes in a separate section. That's my experience. A knife does not have to be back in a sheath to be safe enough to drive around with.

But yes, as I said If he stopped close by to dump everything in a nearby dumpster or trash can, that might be when he saw it, but that means leave via Walenta at a time that would give him enough time to attempt to dump everything, find out the sheath wasn't there, search the car and himself, get back in the car and get back to the house by 4:04. I estimated 7 minutes for that.

 

[Curiosa20]

The gag order is for attorneys and others directly related to the case, like investigators, including ATTORNEYS for victims' families. The text is clear on that point. It refers to attorneys for the families, not the families themselves. The families can speak out, just as we can or any other citizen. However, that is not to say that giving media interviews about the accused or the case itself is helpful to the cause of justice. Now that the is a suspect in jail, pending trial, there is no longer a risk of the case going cold or (if we think BK did the crime) the killer striking again. The gag order is NOT for S.G. or any parent.

I can't think of a case where people who are not on the investigative team added to the understanding of the case itself. As someone who watched whole weeks of the OJ trial while I was home writing a book, I know for sure that lawyers playing to the media can lose cases.

Parents and other family members can help us understand the impact of violent crime on families, the meaning of their loved ones' lives, the difficulty of going to trial, the pain of loss, and the broader impact on whole communities. They can keep us in touch with the cost of murder and help us see what we all have lost. These are all worthy ways for victims' families to have a voice. If S.G.'s attorney is leaking information or causing concerns about a fair trial, that should have been stopped before there was a gag order. Same with prosecutors, defense attorneys and investigators. I know I'm in the minority because I worry about the families pressuring the very people trying to bring about justice.

The Pike County massacre trial had a gag order too, and it was frustrating to those in the public who wanted to know everything right now and couldn't wait for a complex investigation to be completed and presented at trial. But once the trial begins, most if not all of the information will be public record, covered by the media, and presented to anyone who can get into the courtroom. The Pike County prosecutors got a LWOP conviction on 8 felony murder counts and other lesser charges without having the accused's DNA or fingerprints at the scene. If reports are right, this case is a far better one for the prosecution.

Ideally, the victim’ parents have an independent Victim’s Advocate or Attorney or capable person navigating, supporting and guiding them, particularly in the earliest stages of the aftermath of their ordeals, should they choose to engage with the Press or trusted media representatives trained in appropriate interaction with Trauma victims.
iMO

 

[PrairieWind]

‘Not true’: Restaurant denies report connecting Kohberger to victims

A former employee at the Mad Greek restaurant, where two victims worked, said that Kohberger stood out because he had a strict vegan order.

www.newsnationnow.com

(NewsNation) — The Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, is refuting a People magazine report that connected Idaho killing suspect Bryan Kohberger to his victims, saying “it is not true.”

“This will be my only response to this story from People… It is not true,” the restaurant said in a Facebook post. “I also have not forbidden employees from speaking to reporters. We all decided collectively to support the families and not share anything that could potentially harm the investigation or cause the families more stress.”

I would love for People magazine to explain this. But they wont.

 

[Curiosa20]

Here’s a primer, which provides tools for preparing for, interacting and dealing with SMS.
I would also like to say that IMO being supportive and respecting Survivors and Victim’s families does not include judging or criticizing their responses and choices. That would include IMO making suggestions for what from our armchairs might seem to be legitimate, permissible public comment. JMO

https://victimsofcrime.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Privacy-and-Dignity-final.pdf

 

[Curiosa20]

I would love for People magazine to explain this. But they wont.

They will most certainly issue a retraction or clarification, if warranted.

 

[rahod1]

I would love for People magazine to explain this. But they wont.

They don't need to. The report is what it is. The management has essentially called the previous employee a liar seeking attention. The fact is, that employee has remained anonymous. MOO

 

[DWillS]

Yes. Further, do we think LE would just toss this shoe print info out with no reason? Every word in the PCA was included for a purpose, was reviewed by many investigators, thought about for hours and days, and for reasons they already have, IMO.

In reading the PCA, it appears as though the sole reason for including the shoe print info was to support DM's assertion that someone had passed by her door. There's certainly nothing that we officially know of so far tying that shoe print to the alleged perp.

 

[Deleted member 718]

December 8, 2022

MOSCOW, Idaho – A neighbor of four slain University of Idaho students whose shocking stabbing deaths remain unsolved nearly four weeks later claimed they saw the front door wide open hours after the slayings.

Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Madison Mogen, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Ethan Chapin, 20, were found dead at a house just yards off campus, hours after police say someone attacked them in their sleep on Nov. 13. The three women lived there, and Chapin was visiting his girlfriend, Kernodle.

The neighbor told Fox News this week that the front door — which opens to the level where two other roommates were unharmed — was wide open around 8:30 a.m. on Nov. 13.

A shower curtain inside the home where the University of Idaho quadruple homicide occurred in Moscow, Idaho, is visible through an open door on Wednesday. A neighbor told Fox News that the same door was wide open the morning of the murders, hours after they took place and hours before police arrived. (Derek Shook for Fox News Digital)

Idaho murders: Slain university students' neighbor says front door left wide open after attacks

A neighbor of four slain University of Idaho students killed in their sleep claims that they saw the victims' front door wide open hours after the slayings.

www.foxnews.com

Perhaps friends were called to 1122 early on. idk

 

[Nichevo]

New poster here. I just wanted to clarify a few things I have seen mis-stated. WSU does indeed have a medical school, the campus is located here in Spokane. Elson S. Floyd College of Medicine. The U of W also has a medical school here in Spokane. Initially UW and WSU were in partnership on a medical school, but political infighting caused WSU to strike out on their own. This led to UW partnering with Gonzaga for a local medical school. UW-GU Health Partnership. Apparently WSU and UW have made up enough to share an Anatomy lab. The autopsies for the 4 victims were conducted here in Spokane at the Spokane County Medical Examiner. They have a brand new facility complete with a Lodox full body scanner.

 

[Strong1]

Agree. when he gets to the car he has to know he doesn't have the sheath. Maybe he did see DM and thinks he has no time to go back.

I agree. I think he realized the sheath was missing sometime after he left the house. I've always wondered if when he drove back by the house if he was contemplating going back in to retrieve it.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Here’s a primer, which provides tools for preparing for, interacting and dealing with SMS.
I would also like to say that IMO being supportive and respecting Survivors and Victim’s families does not include judging or criticizing their responses and choices. That would include IMO making suggestions for what from our armchairs might seem to be legitimate, permissible public comment. JMO

https://victimsofcrime.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Privacy-and-Dignity-final.pdf

I believe that you can be fully respectful and supportive and, at the same time, give your opinion on public comments. The two aren't mutually exclusive. JMO.