ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 69

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  • #261
Nothing definite rules out that possibility atm I suppose. Unfortunately the evidence per PCA so far doesn't really paint such a picture, the repeated barking that is on the audio occurs at c 4.17am, at which point, if I read the PCA right, BK (alleged killer) is thought to be about to exit the premises (ie seen leaving neighbourhood at speed at 4.20am). My feeling is that if that is a hair from Murphy from BK's appartment, he likely just picked it up in one of the rooms as he was moving throughout the house..on his clothing or shoes for eg...then transferred back to his place. MOO

The dog could have barked at some other point, but if so we aren't privy to that info. I feel sure LE would have examined the dog minutely. Nothing was ever released to suggest the dog had blood on it, but you're right in that LE have not ruled it out. MOO

Nothing has ever been released by LE to suggest Murphy ever came into direct contact with the alleged perp (BK). BK could have picked up a/some hair/s on his person from other parts of the house and if so transferred them back to his residence inadvertently. MOO.
I think Kaylee's dog did a lot of barking because he knew there were terrible things happening. I think he could hear enough with his amazing dog's hearing, to be sure of that. It's possible his barking made bk nervous, and he went in there trying to calm him down. He only got covered with evidence. for his trouble.
Just curious why you think that the owner of the MG restaurant thinks her business has been ruined? I'm not trying to argue, just curious as to why she would think that, or why you think that? The restaurant has done nothing wrong, it lost two wonderful employees. There was a very high profile murder case in my town a few years ago, the entire trial was televised daily on Court tv, as well as other networks on tv. The coffee shop where the victim and the murderer met and hung out at did alright and is still around. Just my opinion, but I think it would have an opposite (positive) effect on the business, i.e. people going there to show support (to the restaurant, owners, and other employees). Again, moo.
 
  • #262
I think Kaylee's dog did a lot of barking because he knew there were terrible things happening. I think he could hear enough with his amazing dog's hearing, to be sure of that. It's possible his barking made bk nervous, and he went in there trying to calm him down. He only got covered with evidence. for his trouble.
I'd like to submit for your consideration, this: when you slaughter 4 people in 15 minutes give or take, there is no time or thought given to playing with a dog. JMO
 
  • #263
This is the December 5 update.

• There have been numerous requests about the dog found at the residence on the morning of November 13th. Arriving officers entered the residence and found the deceased victims. During the search of the home, a dog was found in a room where the crimes had not been committed. Officers did not find any evidence on the dog and there was no indication the animal had entered the crime scene. The dog was taken to Animal Services and released to a responsible person.

While the dog was in the house when officers arrived, it has not been determined where the dog was physically located when the murders took place.

The suggestion bk may have physically touched the dog was speculation. As any dog owner knows, their dog's hair can be found anywhere. I don't think the dog needed to see, smell or be touched by bk to alert to danger and bark. He had to have heard enough that was out of the ordinary to alarm him:
 
  • #264
The Instagram thing hasn't been confirmed and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out to be a bunch of BS, like the restaurant claim. Could it all be true? Maybe, but we don't know if it is and I lean toward it being false, particularly the MG claim.

As for him being near their house 12 times, until we know exactly where he was, we don't know what that proves. The two cities share a lot of stores, a gym, etc. But let's say he was stalking them. Him eating at MG once or twice doesn't build that case, IMO.

MOO.
BBM: Yes, I'm looking forward to additional digital evidence to support the pings and give a clearer picture of BK's movements prior to Nov 13th. I think detailed digi examination of his phone and apps and more (computer, internet searches for e.g, and a heck more technical stuff I don't truly get without professional assistance!) will provide a clearer picture. I do think the PCA as a whole presents a very strong circumstantial case for his presence on the street the night of the crime, enough in my mind to establish probable cause for his arrest. I have no opinion at all on the instagram thing or the MG thing, other than sympathising with the owner and employees as it appears they have been hounded by the press, from what I've read and IMO.

MOO
 
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I'd like to submit for your consideration, this: when you slaughter 4 people in 15 minutes give or take, there is no time or thought given to playing with a dog. JMO
Yes, of course, you're right. I had forgotten about the time frame involved. I do believe dog hair in that house was plentiful enough that bk would not have been able to avoid it. Also, I think the dog could hear enough of the murderous attacks to make him bark, even being shut away in a separate room.
 
  • #266
This story has bothered me enormously from the moment we read about it. Completely aside from Kohberger, I'm appalled by the professor's behavior. JMO
I agree. It's tremendously difficult to get thrown into teaching or TAing as a first year PhD student, especially if you have little or no experience grading and working with undergraduate students. It sounds like this might have been BK's first time, as we have heard nothing about potential TA or grading opportunities during his MA. If this had happened to me during the first semester of my PhD, or even something less severe, I probably would have taken it as a serious sign to drop out of the program altogether.
 
  • #267
Yes, of course, you're right. I had forgotten about the time frame involved. I do believe dog hair in that house was plentiful enough that bk would not have been able to avoid it. Also, I think the dog could hear enough of the murderous attacks to make him bark, even being shut away in a separate room.
I was only replying to your comments regarding Kohberger petting the dog. JMO
 
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  • #268
This is the December 5 update.

• There have been numerous requests about the dog found at the residence on the morning of November 13th. Arriving officers entered the residence and found the deceased victims. During the search of the home, a dog was found in a room where the crimes had not been committed. Officers did not find any evidence on the dog and there was no indication the animal had entered the crime scene. The dog was taken to Animal Services and released to a responsible person.

While the dog was in the house when officers arrived, it has not been determined where the dog was physically located when the murders took place.

That would confirm but I cannot open link because facebook. Still looking for MSM article that conforms the info via LE quote
 
  • #269
He could have visited the restaurant and paid cash. He could have went in, ordered nothing at all, just looked around, then left.

I can understand the restaurant owner being upset if her employees spoke to folks they should not have spoken to without her consent - if that’s what happened. On the flip side, I’d be very upset as an employee if my employer said I spoke because I only wanted 15 minutes of fame.

jmo

Or possibly a 3rd scenario. He ordered food and had some sort of conflict over something he felt would be cross contamination or not completely vegan.

If one of my employees felt they had something significant to contribute to a murder investigation, I would be the first to encourage them to speak to LE rather than the media and if that employee had spoken with LE, they have already been made aware that it would be best not to speak with the media so I would likely think they were looking for public attention.

At this point, I can't think of any compelling reason that anyone would feel People would be a better option that LE or that sharing information with People somehow makes LE's job easier or helps get a murderer off the streets.
 
  • #270
That would confirm but I cannot open link because facebook. Still looking for MSM article that conforms the info via LE quote
Non-FB version:

“There have been numerous requests about the dog found at the residence on the morning of November 13th. Arriving officers entered the residence and found the deceased victims. During the search of the home, a dog was found in a room where the crimes had not been committed. Officers did not find any evidence on the dog and there was no indication the animal had entered the crime scene. The dog was taken to Animal Services and released to a responsible person.

While the dog was in the house when officers arrived, it has not been determined where the dog was physically located when the murders took place.”

 
  • #271
Good one! That's enough for me to state the dog didn't come into direct contact with the perp.
Did he need to? As a life-long dog owner, I have found dog hair in my refrigerator, on my child's toys, sticking to the hand soap and all over the bathtub inside because it had stuck to my feet before I got in. Kaylee probably had played with her dog right in the room where she was murdered.
 
  • #272
Or possibly a 3rd scenario. He ordered food and had some sort of conflict over something he felt would be cross contamination or not completely vegan.

If one of my employees felt they had something significant to contribute to a murder investigation, I would be the first to encourage them to speak to LE rather than the media and if that employee had spoken with LE, they have already been made aware that it would be best not to speak with the media so I would likely think they were looking for public attention.

At this point, I can't think of any compelling reason that anyone would feel People would be a better option that LE or that sharing information with People somehow makes LE's job easier or helps get a murderer off the streets.
Money talks
 
  • #273
Did he need to? As a life-long dog owner, I have found dog hair in my refrigerator, on my child's toys, sticking to the hand soap and all over the bathtub inside because it had stuck to my feet before I got in. Kaylee probably had played with her dog right in the room where she was murdered.
We can only hope that a couple of pieces of Murphy hair clung to the murderer and was found by LE
 
  • #274
This is the December 5 update.

• There have been numerous requests about the dog found at the residence on the morning of November 13th. Arriving officers entered the residence and found the deceased victims. During the search of the home, a dog was found in a room where the crimes had not been committed. Officers did not find any evidence on the dog and there was no indication the animal had entered the crime scene. The dog was taken to Animal Services and released to a responsible person.

While the dog was in the house when officers arrived, it has not been determined where the dog was physically located when the murders took place.

For anyone who can't access eff book due to no acc:
In FAQ is same
  1. What happened to the dog in the house?
 
  • #275
Did he need to? As a life-long dog owner, I have found dog hair in my refrigerator, on my child's toys, sticking to the hand soap and all over the bathtub inside because it had stuck to my feet before I got in. Kaylee probably had played with her dog right in the room where she was murdered.
I'm trying to clear this up because I think there are 2 separate trains of thoughts colliding here.

Train 1: Kohberger interacted with the dog in order to get dog hair transferred on to him (Kohberger).

Train 2: Kohberger may have gotten random, household dog hair transferred to him (Kohberger) during the murders.

The links we're providing are regarding Train 1.

No one is arguing with you about Train 2. I get the feeling you think we are.

JMO
 
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Or possibly a 3rd scenario. He ordered food and had some sort of conflict over something he felt would be cross contamination or not completely vegan.

If one of my employees felt they had something significant to contribute to a murder investigation, I would be the first to encourage them to speak to LE rather than the media and if that employee had spoken with LE, they have already been made aware that it would be best not to speak with the media so I would likely think they were looking for public attention.

At this point, I can't think of any compelling reason that anyone would feel People would be a better option that LE or that sharing information with People somehow makes LE's job easier or helps get a murderer off the streets.
We really don’t know much of anything about why an ex-employee spoke to People, if it even happened at all.

But if we trust People and it did happen, perhaps the ex-employee was already an ex-employee when the murders happened, and didn’t have the conversation with the owner about not speaking to media.

People Mag probably won’t reveal their source for the article publicly, but they might reveal to LE if it will be helpful to the investigation.

We also don’t know that anyone felt that sharing info with People was a better option than sharing with LE. The source may have done both, but we don’t know all the info or interviews that LE has obtained. It may end up being court evidence.
 
  • #278
I think Kaylee's dog did a lot of barking because he knew there were terrible things happening. I think he could hear enough with his amazing dog's hearing, to be sure of that. It's possible his barking made bk nervous, and he went in there trying to calm him down. He only got covered with evidence. for his trouble.
BBM. As far as I'm concerned he didn't interact with the dog, because no evidence of that was found on the dog IMO

ETA: That's not to say BK did not get dog hair on himself/clothing from the house, victims beds etc and then transfer some hair back to his residence. That could have happenned IME. MOO


  1. What happened to the dog in the house?
 
  • #279
I'm trying to clear this up because I think there are 2 separate trains of thoughts colliding here.

Train 1: Kohberger interacted with the dog in order to get dog hair transferred on to him (Kohberger).

Train 2: Kohberger may have gotten random, household dog hair transferred to him (Kohberger) during the murders.

The links we're providing are regarding Train 1.

No one is arguing with you about Train 2. I get the feeling you think we are.

JMO
Regardless of how it happened, BK should not have any of Murphy’s hair in his apartment. I guess there are a couple of ways to defend it. If he actually did visit MG, one might say that one of the girls had Murphy’s hair on them there and it somehow ended up in his bag/on his person. Or the Barry Scheck defense, that it was brought to his apartment or into the lab due to tainted evidence collection/chain of custody.
 
  • #280
I'm trying to clear this up because I think there are 2 separate trains of thoughts colliding here.

Train 1: Kohberger interacted with the dog in order to get dog hair transferred on to him (Kohberger).

Train 2: Kohberger may have gotten random, household dog hair transferred to him (Kohberger) during the murders.

The links we're providing are regarding Train 1.

No one is arguing with you about Train 2. I get the feeling you think we are.

JMO
Thank you, I have no argument with anyone. I made a poor speculation in one comment that bk may have touched the dog, and soon agreed with a later poster's remark about time frames making that unlikely. What I said and stick with is that the dog itself had no need to encounter bk in order to become alarmed by the unusual sounds it heard, even tho it was shut up in a room. . I think it barked because of that. Of course, bks "possible animal hair", if from Kaylee's dog, would be from a random household source where her dog walked and played. I hope that clears the air about what train I'm on.
 
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