ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 69

[marcolepsy]

In perspective of when it is used on a human, as it is a combat knife, it is capable of great injury and great harm to the human body. And very quickly

Fortunately, it was designed for combat use and not "get away with quadruple homicide" use. <modsnip - name calling> Bryan wasn't exactly a ninja.

 

[SophieRose]

The renters might have had a table there? JMO

edit: I can see a table through the sliding glass doors off to the right. MOO

Here's another picture, I think that's the table.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/12/idaho-489.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1024

 

[CSIDreamer]

Here's another picture, I think that's the table.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/12/idaho-489.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1024

With evidence tape on the window. JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

We have to remember that the killer was dressed all in black. If that killer was BK and he wore something purchased just for this crime, and ditched it during his early morning ride through the countryside, I doubt LE will find a much dog hair at his apartment. I would think it more likely to find some in his car but, if he's cleaned it obsessively for weeks, they might not find one even if Murphy was a shedder. We'll see eventually. If he's guilty, I pray he missed some.

The pillows and stuff with reddish stains found during the search grossed me out. It's certainly true that he might have had a nosebleed. He could even be a self-cutter due to stress, although I tend to think some of the eagle eyed folks would have seen that while looking for injuries from that night. It does seem odd that he might have worn coveralls for the crime, dumped them on his ride through the countryside, and still transferred enough blood into his apartment to make stains. Ugh. If they weren't insulated, and he wore them over clothes, it's certainly possible that enough blood soaked through to stain his belongings at home. Why on earth he would still have those stained things is beyond me, but criminals have certainly done dumber things. Moooooo

 

[Copper107]

I think these are all honest cops. Why taint evidence when there may be so much rock solid good stuff existing? imo. For instance, I do think that when bk got back to his Pullman apt. after his murders, he must have felt safe and let his guard down a little. say he just plops down on his bed a moment to catch his breath, thus could have let blood in his hair leave those spots on his pillow, and that on his clothing on the mattress pad. just moo.

The transferring of evidence from the crime scene technicians to BK's residence after so many days, IMO, is near impossible. Additionally, we don't know the forensic techs who processed the crime scene were the same ones processed the WSU residence.

 

[CSIDreamer]

We have to remember that the killer was dressed all in black. If that killer was BK and he wore something purchased just for this crime, and ditched it during his early morning ride through the countryside, I doubt LE will find a much dog hair at his apartment. I would think it more likely to find some in his car but, if he's cleaned it obsessively for weeks, they might not find one even if Murphy was a shedder. We'll see eventually. If he's guilty, I pray he missed some.

The pillows and stuff with reddish stains found during the search grossed me out. It's certainly true that he might have had a nosebleed. He could even be a self-cutter due to stress, although I tend to think some of the eagle eyed folks would have seen that while looking for injuries from that night. It does seem odd that he might have worn coveralls for the crime, dumped them on his ride through the countryside, and still transferred enough blood into his apartment to make stains. Ugh. If they weren't insulated, and he wore them over clothes, it's certainly possible that enough blood soaked through to stain his belongings at home. Why on earth he would still have those stained things is beyond me, but criminals have certainly done dumber things. Moooooo

My worst fear is it isn't his blood. Chew on that. JMO

 

[SophieRose]

From The Daily Evergreen, "the student voice of Washington State University since 1895", an article about the People Magazine Instagram story. Plus a cool pic from BK's Jan 12 hearing.

January 20, 2023

In an article with People magazine, an “anonymous investigative source” on the Moscow homicide case said that suspect Bryan Kohberger allegedly messaged one of the victims on Instagram.
“He slid into one of the girls’ DMs several times but she didn’t respond,” the unidentified source told the magazine. “Basically, it was just him saying, ‘Hey, how are you?’ But he did it again and again.”
The official media source for Moscow PD declined to comment, citing the nondissemination order, otherwise known as a gag order, issued by the Latah County court.
The Daily Evergreen was not able to verify the information attributed to the anonymous source in the People article.

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Unidentified source reveals ‘new details’ in Moscow homicides

In an article with People magazine, an “anonymous investigative source” on the Moscow homicide case said that suspect Bryan Kohberger allegedly messaged one of the victims on Instagram. “He slid into one of the girls’ DMs several times but she didn’t respond,” the unidentified source told the...

dailyevergreen.com

I guess most of those are press. Will there eventually be a lottery for tickets like in the Scott Peterson trial?

Justice, theater merge in the hot-ticket Peterson trial

With raffle tickets and coffee cups in hand, the court watchers wait eagerly for the daily lottery to begin. As the tumbler spins and a sheriff's deputy reads aloud the numbers, winners applaud...

www.tampabay.com

It's early Monday morning, and nearly 100 people have gathered at the San Mateo County Courthouse, hoping to be among the lucky 30 to win a seat in the Scott Peterson murder trial. Some are regulars, taking copious notes inside the courtroom and keeping a mental score card on prosecution vs. defense. Others are first-time participants _ law students, retirees and tourists _ eager to get a close-up view of the latest California tabloid trial, looking for their brush with history _ or at least interesting dinner party conversation.

 

[maskedwoman]

My worst fear is it isn't his blood. Chew on that. JMO

I'm sorry. I feel like I should be, but I'm not following you.

 

[Nila Aella]

With evidence tape on the window. JMO

Another place I see evidence markers in the kitchen is on the cabinets. JMO

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[North_Idaho_Nony]

Well, now it the most famous place in Moscow.

Nope: the University of Idaho remains the most famous place in Moscow.

 

[Copper107]

Since the "Return Search Warrant" we have all been focused on the possible evidence retrieved from BK's residence. Just a reminder there is still a wealth of evidence gathered from the crime scene. The task of sorting out all of the DNA, latent finger and shoe prints is going to take a monumental effort. Just as important as what was found in BK's residence is what was found in the victim's residence. Every latent print, footwear impression, blood spatter, crime scene photos and videos, witness statements etc. has to be analyzed. If not, it opens up the possibility of reasonable doubt, as to BK being the offender in this horrific crime. Crime scene technicians have a monumental task ahead of them, they will be grilled relentlessly. Let's pray, for the victim's sake, they performed better than the best day of their careers.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm sorry. I feel like I should be, but I'm not following you.

What if it isnt his blood, or any of these 4 victims? I am NOT hinting at any new info. Just something I mulled over. JMO

 

[Copper107]

Thank you for clarifying your thoughts. I think I posted before that in IMO, it's a shame there is no evidence that BK (the alleged killer) touched the dog, as that would have provided additional evidence IMO. I understand why you might want to speculate in that direction. I too imagine that the dog would have sensed something that night. MOO

The victims were all in contact with the dog at one point or another. BK never had to touch the dog to have transfer of the hairs to his person. IMO

 

[RonSwanson33]

The Instagram thing hasn't been confirmed and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out to be a bunch of BS, like the restaurant claim. Could it all be true? Maybe, but we don't know if it is and I lean toward it being false, particularly the MG claim.

As for him being near their house 12 times, until we know exactly where he was, we don't know what that proves. The two cities share a lot of stores, a gym, etc. But let's say he was stalking them. Him eating at MG once or twice doesn't build that case, IMO.

MOO.

Why is the MP owner's account more valuable than the PCA and LE sources et al? We can all decide what to believe.

And when he was near the house was early morning, not when normal businesses are open...so all these instances paint the picture. MOO.

 

[Cryptic]

I know that in previous threads many of us have wondered if BK had been reprimanded publicly for this severe grading as a TA. It sounds like he was, and IMO, the above quote sounds like a very humiliating experience. I'm curious when it happened.

Wow, if true, that violates the "Praise in Public, Punish in Private" maxim that has been part of civilian management and the military for generations.

The stated occurance is so contrary to modern managerial thinking that it just seems strange. Perhaps the story is spurious, spun, or exaggerated?

 

[maskedwoman]

What if it isnt his blood, or any of these 4 victims? I am NOT hinting at any new info. Just something I mulled over. JMO

I wondered if that might be what you were thinking about. Lord knows I hope that doesn't happen. What we know about is bad enough. If they were to find the blood of some unknown party in his apartment, the press will go insane. Along with most everyone else. I don't know how they would ever seat a jury. MOOooooo

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Agree.

Yet, in this case he seemed to (allegedly) "live and breathe" crime, no?

I mean - he studied criminology, loved talking about "criminal minds" (according to his friends), in free time it seems he (allegedly) engaged in stalking.

And as soon as he found himself far away from family home - this tragedy happened - and HE is the only suspect/defendant.

So, if this is not a kind of obsession, then what is?

JMO

And here I am, on Websleuths, with the Delphi case on ID at the same time. So the interest in crime doesn't rise to obsession for me.

Stalking is another matter. That's criminal BEHAVIOR, and might have been either an obsession (common usage) with young women in general or specific--or it could have just been preparation to carrying out his crime. If someone wants to achieve any "goal," it requires time and thought. (It's interesting to me that BK's Reddit survey talks about crimes as a "goal," like buying a house or getting a job in tech.)

I'd love to hear a forensic psychologist weigh In on whether BK showed obsessive behavior, and what that criteria is. I can see it both ways.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I wondered if that might be what you were thinking about. Lord knows I hope that doesn't happen. What we know about is bad enough. If they were to find the blood of some unknown party in his apartment, the press will go insane. Along with most everyone else. I don't know how they would ever seat a jury. MOOooooo

Stains on pillows or mattress covers could involve various body fluids. Lots of people don't change pillows very often. They absorb body oils, saliva (which can contain blood from unhealthy gums, etc.), and other stuff. Pillows don't just stay at the head of the bed. We (here) don't know if BK bought that stuff new or (horrors) was using stuff left by others or brought old stuff from home. So the stains could be meaningless. Or not.

 

[Copper107]

We have to remember that the killer was dressed all in black. If that killer was BK and he wore something purchased just for this crime, and ditched it during his early morning ride through the countryside, I doubt LE will find a much dog hair at his apartment. I would think it more likely to find some in his car but, if he's cleaned it obsessively for weeks, they might not find one even if Murphy was a shedder. We'll see eventually. If he's guilty, I pray he missed some.

The pillows and stuff with reddish stains found during the search grossed me out. It's certainly true that he might have had a nosebleed. He could even be a self-cutter due to stress, although I tend to think some of the eagle eyed folks would have seen that while looking for injuries from that night. It does seem odd that he might have worn coveralls for the crime, dumped them on his ride through the countryside, and still transferred enough blood into his apartment to make stains. Ugh. If they weren't insulated, and he wore them over clothes, it's certainly possible that enough blood soaked through to stain his belongings at home. Why on earth he would still have those stained things is beyond me, but criminals have certainly done dumber things. Moooooo

IMO, you can shampoo your hair in the shower or wherever but blood splatter in your hair is not easily removed. If the pillow cuttings are indictive of blood, I would think it could be determined to whom it belonged.

 

[r3d-ros3]

Wow, if true, that violates the "Praise in Public, Punish in Private" maxim that has been part of civilian management and the military for generations.

The stated occurance is so contrary to modern managerial thinking that it just seems strange. Perhaps the story is spurious, spun, or exaggerated?

It definitely could be -- the MSM story it is from quoted a student that was in one of the classes that BK worked as a TA, so unless the student is making it up, I tend to believe it (although certainly the student could be exaggerating or left out key details). It's very unprofessional of the professor, though, if it did happen. Definitely not the way to handle a first-year TA's mistakes. IMO.