ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

[TeaTime]

I'm willing to bet money that DM would not be fined for a bogus 911. LE rolls on calls like "there is a strange man, dressed in black wearing a mask in my house".

 

[Montecore1]

The DNA does.

Read the previous small stream of quotes.

DNA on a sheath doesn't put him inside the house, its actually a sheath with his DNA on it, inside the house. Something like his DNA on a doorknob or on mixed in the victims blood would put him inside the house... AISI

 

[jepop]

I could have sworn is saw it reported that the dog was locked in one of the rooms.

Previous post quoting from MPD re the dog. Dog was found in KG's room when LE first entered 1122 King Road, IMO. Full details below.

ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

Yeah, I don’t recall reading the exact size of the knife. I’ve wondered if any of the victims tried to fight back. This guy was a determined killer who’s adrenaline must have kicked in. I just can’t wrap my mind around it. They know it was a 7" KaBar blade. From the sheath they found.

www.websleuths.com

 

[jepop]

If by "they" you mean law enforcement, I do believe they know exactly what knife was used. There are tests that can be run by forensic radiologists to examine the metal particles of a knife. Of course, they also want the shape of the blade to match a Ka-Bar (not sure why exactly the brand matters). But Ka-Bar has a proprietary formula for the metal in the knife. So, they can likely show it was a Ka-Bar. Otherwise, it will remain "7" knife in a Ka-Bar Sheath." Ka-bar style knife.

The autopsy should be able to say with certainty whether it's a KaBar brand with a specific metallurgical profile OR some other non-proprietary knife OR a different knife altogether. If it's important. Since it appears to have disappeared, and I don't think anyone is hopeful it will turn up soon, it doesn't much matter, IMO.



I would submit that we don't exactly what size bed that Maddie had. It sure looked to me like they pulled two full size or bigger mattresses out of the house (maybe more) when the Public Defender came with her investigators.

Blood-stained mattresses removed from home where Idaho students were slain

Law enforcement officers were seen Friday removing two mattresses that appeared to be stained with blood from the Moscow home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death.

nypost.com

One mattress is shown being carried by two men, it definitely looks Queen to me (at least a double). The other mattress (the bloody one) is in the truck and looks to be the same size.

"Single bed" to me means that there was just one bed in the room, not necessarily its size. But, where I live, we'd say "twin bed" not "single bed."

I think you and I are more or less on the same page.

IM

I agree, based on those photos the bed looks to be a double or Queen not a single (one person bed), IMO. Funnily enough, though, I made my inference, which ofcourse is MOO, without conscious regard to interpretation of bed size. I most likely auto read the bed description as referring to a/one bed not a single (one person) bed.

ETA: BBM for focus

 

[Boxer]

Read the previous small stream of quotes.

DNA on a sheath doesn't put him inside the house, its actually a sheath with his DNA on it, inside the house. Something like his DNA on a doorknob or on mixed in the victims blood would put him inside the house... AISI

His DNA has no business on their house.

 

[MassGuy]

His DNA has no business on their house.

Exactly; plain and simple. His DNA on anything in that house is absolutely damning. His phone puts him there. His car was spotted there, and his DNA was there. That’s quite the trinity.

 

[Montecore1]

His DNA has no business on their house.

I certainly agree with that Boxer...however, I would argue that since it was on an object there is no proof that the object was brought into the house by BCK. IMO

 

[schooling]

Read the previous small stream of quotes.

DNA on a sheath doesn't put him inside the house, its actually a sheath with his DNA on it, inside the house. Something like his DNA on a doorknob or on mixed in the victims blood would put him inside the house... AISI

I don't expect my DNA inside of any complete strangers' house. On a door knob, on a sheath, on a toilet, in a shower. Anywhere.

And if my DNA was found in a strangers house. It probably would make sense that it's in a house I was pulled over in the middle of the night next to, then stalked 14 times, was caught on video heading towards, with cell phone evidence that corroborates the video and vice versa on the night of the murders, amongst a host of other evidence that they likely have.

It's easy to dismiss individual pieces of evidence when examined inside of a vacuum, in it's own silo. But with the totality of evidence no juror on this planet is going to believe that this guy just has really really really bad luck. And all of this crazy coincidences happen to befall him on the one night a house full of college students were murdered.

 

[Montecore1]

Exactly; plain and simple. His DNA on anything in that house is absolutely damning. His phone puts him there. His car was spotted there, and his DNA was there. That’s quite the trinity.

Well in reality it was just a white Elantra (without a readable license plate) that was in the area of the house... no proof it was BCK's Elantra. Nor does his phone put him "there"

 

[schooling]

I certainly agree with that Boxer...however, I would argue that since it was on an object there is no proof that the object was brought into the house by BCK. IMO

Is the defense going to be able to present a reasonable alternative? Are jurors going to be able to conjure up a reasonable alternative?

If the answer is no -> Go Straight to Jail

 

[schooling]

Well in reality it was just a white Elantra (without a readable license plate) that was in the area of the house... no proof it was BCK's Elantra

And here we go with the looking at pieces of the evidence individually.

Ya it's his DNA on a piece of the literal MURDER WEAPON. but he didn't bring it in there.
Ya the car looks just like his. But its not.
Ya his cell phone evidence matches up with the video and the direction towards the crime scene, and the time the crime is committed. but cell phone evidence is unreliable.

C'mon....

 

[schooling]

DNA on a sheath doesn't put him inside the house, its actually a sheath with his DNA on it, inside the house.

Suddenly having your DNA on a left behind piece of the murder weapon no longer matters.

 

[Montecore1]

Ya it's his DNA on a piece of the literal MURDER WEAPON. but he didn't bring it in there.
Ya the car looks just like his. But its not.
Ya his cell phone evidence matches up with the video and the direction towards the crime scene, and the time the crime is committed. but cell phone evidence is unreliable.

Exactly...

Also there is no proof that we know, of that the sheath was indeed a "piece of the murder weapon"

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Thank you. So there was no official LE source that stated the FBI ordered the pull overs. That mistaken narrative must have been reported by MSM from some other unverified source. MOO

The article states that it was a LE source. Just because a name isn't attached to it doesn't mean it wasn't a LE source. Not everything is solely the fault of the MSM, IMO.

 

[Montecore1]

Listen folks...I know many people feel they "know" that BCK committed these heinous murders and frankly so do I. My point to all of my above posts and arguments is, as what we know right now, its not a "slam dunk" and a good defense attorney can find reasonable with ALL of it and it only takes one juror to see that...one out of twelve.
So before I get lynched here...all I wanted to show is what could be argued and Im far from a well experienced defense attorney with a laundry list of "experts" to bring to the table so expect a good fight by Taylor, this is not her first rodeo
I just hope that there is much more very incriminating evidence that they have that will make this a slam dunk conviction

 

[Kemug]

In a case like this one, there will be death scene photographs and autopsy reports. Autopsies for this case were done in Spokane, WA, by the Spokane Count Medical Examiner's office, which employs 3 forensic pathologists.

Did they really have to do autopsies? <modsnip>

 

[jepop]

I speculate, MOO, that LE spent a lot of time in December eliminating a boatload of other relevant elantras through intense investigation and tips that came pouring in from the public. As they gathered the amazingly strong circumstantial evidence that ended up comprising the PCA (MOO), I also think there would have been many resources put into Identifying and getting other elantras alibied. I remember LE telling the public to be patient on a number of occasions. I think they wanted to dot their Is and cross their Ts (excusing the irony as to the small no. of typos in PCA). I remember the words, please be patient, we don't just want an arrest, we want a conviction. LE would not, IMO, have been able to get a warrant for BK's histotrical phone data and a trace on 23rd DEC, (see PCA second half) without a judge seeing enough in the Elantra evidence and video evidence to grant it. MOO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Quoted directly from affidavit:

“Law enforcement officers provided video footage of Suspect Vehicle 1 to forensic examiners with the Federal Bureau of Investigation that regularly utilize surveillance footage to identify the year, make, and model of an unknown vehicle that is observed by one or more cameras during the commission of a criminal offense. The Forensic Examiner has approximately 35 years law enforcement experience with twelve years at the FBI His specific training includes identifuing unique characteristics of vehicles, and he uses a database that gives visual clues of vehicles across states to identify differences between vehicles.
After reviewing the numerous observations of Suspect Vehicle 1, the forensic examiner initially believed that Suspect Vehicle 1 was a 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra. Upon further review, he indicated it could also be a 2011-2016 Hyundai Elantra. As a result, investigators have been reviewing information on persons in possession of a vehicle that is a 2011-2016 white Hyundai Elantra.”

It was described as 2011-2016 for POI prior to request for info from public. BCK was identified as POI from that. IMO they described as 2011 to 2013 in request to public to give BCK a false sense of security. "Further review" and further investigation moves law enforcement closer to solving a crime.

And this is what the jury will hear when the time comes.

 

[RonSwanson33]

Read the previous small stream of quotes.

DNA on a sheath doesn't put him inside the house, its actually a sheath with his DNA on it, inside the house. Something like his DNA on a doorknob or on mixed in the victims blood would put him inside the house... AISI

Everything all together tells the very clear story, of which we haven't seen 3000 pages of discovery.

 

[iamshadow21]

Listen folks...I know many people feel they "know" that BCK committed these heinous murders and frankly so do I. My point to all of my above posts and arguments is, as what we know right now, its not a "slam dunk" and a good defense attorney can find reasonable with ALL of it and it only takes one juror to see that...one out of twelve.
So before I get lynched here...all I wanted to show is what could be argued and Im far from a well experienced defense attorney with a laundry list of "experts" to bring to the table so expect a good fight my Taylor.
I just hope that there is much more very incriminating evidence that they have that will make this a slam dunk conviction

I understand what you were attempting, but playing devil's advocate only plays for so long before it can become wearing. I don't think anyone believes that this case will play out based on the sheath alone. It's about the totality of evidence forming a case that shows that no one else could have done it, beyond a reasonable doubt, and we don't have access or knowledge of most of the evidence in play, just the small amount in the PCA. When the case progresses to trial, then we'll get a real sense of how solid the case is, and how much spadework the defense has to do to throw doubt on it. Right now, we're all just speculating, even you. We're here because we're interested, not because we're looking to argue the case as it stands, now. I'm sure some of you did debate club, or legal studies, in school, but I didn't. It's not what I'm here for, even though I'm sure I'm getting a reputation as a 'just the facts' poster. I'l acknowledge when something is speculative or tenuous, but I'm not interested in having a battle of wills over it. I'll leave that for those of you who did pursue the law or politics as a career.