ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

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  • #261
Re: search of suspect's apartment in Washington....

I'm reading conflicting reports of 'stained partial pillow fragments' found, to 'full pillow soaked with red substance' found....

Did BK take, for lack of a better word, 'trophies' from the crime scene? With all the revelations about him intensely stalking the victims, I could see him taking 'trophies'

MOO

There's a lot of talk about stalking victims but nothing confirmed as fact from LE so I'm not certain it's something we should consider to be an established fact.

I have also wondered about trophies because it isn't an uncommon thing but that's something we will likely have to wait until a trial to learn.
 
  • #262
Re: search of suspect's apartment in Washington....

I'm reading conflicting reports of 'stained partial pillow fragments' found, to 'full pillow soaked with red substance' found....

Did BK take, for lack of a better word, 'trophies' from the crime scene? With all the revelations about him intensely stalking the victims, I could see him taking 'trophies'

MOO

<modsnip> do you have a link about “full pillow soaked with red substance”? That’s quite different than what I have read (MSM). Thanks, appreciate it.
 
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  • #263
Edited to say: I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence or education. IMO, an innocent person would answer all of LE's questions regardless of where they went to the best of their ability. Whether or not they had a lawyer or in what manner they were arrested, MOO

The “if you’re innocent, you have nothing to hide!” is an unfortunate - and even dangerous - myth propagated by crime shows. Innocent or not, the prudent thing to do is remain silent. This is something any first-year law student will tell you. JMO.
 
  • #264
Re: search of suspect's apartment in Washington....

I'm reading conflicting reports of 'stained partial pillow fragments' found, to 'full pillow soaked with red substance' found....

Did BK take, for lack of a better word, 'trophies' from the crime scene? With all the revelations about him intensely stalking the victims, I could see him taking 'trophies'

MOO
Last page of attached: Return of Service Document.
Whatever has been reported, here is what we know about what was seized.

Relevant Items BBM

"STATE OF WASHINGTON
COUNTY OF WHITMAN
ISSUED BY:
SUPERIOR COURT , WHITMAN COUNTY, WASHINGTON
SW NO. 12-29-2022A( amended)
Returnof Service of Search Warrant
( Residenceand Storage Closet)
DATE ISSUED :
DATE SERVED :
SERVED BY:
HOW SERVED:
ITEMS SEIZED:
12-29-2022
12-30-2022
Return of Service of Search Warrant
per
order SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE GARY J. LIBEY
ASST . CHIEF DAWN DANIELS , 302
IN PERSON
FILED
JAN 03 2023 JILL COUNTY CLERK
1....[snipped BM for focus]...
All seized from Residence and currently stored at WSU PD
12. 1 computer tower
A. 1 collection of dark red spot ( collected without testing)
B. 2 cuttings from uncased pillow of reddish/ brown stain ( larger stain tested)

C. 2 top and bottom of mattress cover packaged separately both labeled
multiplestains ( one tested)"


ETA: I snipped the document just to highlight the items you queried. You can view Items 1-11 through the link.
 
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  • #265
IMO X did not scream out as it would and did protect the housemates. By screaming the house mates would had dashed out to find out why all the noise. It has happened in past crimes in Australia and America. The case in 1980's I remembered Father came home early morning to find his wife butally stabbed in the hallway , next to his child bedroom door, the daughter were asleep His lawyer defended him by saying his wife when confronted with the attacker made no sound so to protect the child, while police and people thought kid stay in bed while parents fight. The Dad was innocent. Years later, they caught the guy he confessed he broke into the house to steal money, attack the Mother in hallway she made no sound he did not know child was there. X made IMO that descion to protect and not expose her house mates to danger by causing a panic.

I respectfully disagree. How a defence attorney defends their client has more to do with establishing doubt that the cold hard truth.

These people will killed with a 7" blade by someone with great advantage and most were mortally wounded almost immediately. If the recent comments about X are correct and she wasn't immediately mortally wounded, she was literally in a fight for her life and people in those situations have little time to worry about saving others nor do they have time and energy to waste screaming.

It's nice you think of her as a hero and in my opinion, everyone in that house is, in their own special way but I feel comments like this, leave the survivors carrying an even greater burden that they all ready are.
 
  • #266
Last page of attached: Return of Service Document.
Whatever has been reported, here is what we know about what was seized.

Relevant Items BBM

"STATE OF WASHINGTON
COUNTY OF WHITMAN
ISSUED BY:
SUPERIOR COURT , WHITMAN COUNTY, WASHINGTON
SW NO. 12-29-2022A( amended)
Returnof Service of Search Warrant
( Residenceand Storage Closet)
DATE ISSUED :
DATE SERVED :
SERVED BY:
HOW SERVED:
ITEMS SEIZED:
12-29-2022
12-30-2022
Return of Service of Search Warrant
per
order SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE GARY J. LIBEY
ASST . CHIEF DAWN DANIELS , 302
IN PERSON
FILED
JAN 03 2023 JILL COUNTY CLERK
1....[snipped BM for focus]...
All seized from Residence and currently stored at WSU PD
12. 1 computer tower
A. 1 collection of dark red spot ( collected without testing)
B. 2 cuttings from uncased pillow of reddish/ brown stain ( larger stain tested)

C. 2 top and bottom of mattress cover packaged separately both labeled
multiplestains ( one tested)"

C.? Is that sheets? Top sheet, bottom sheet. Gotta be, right?

Why not collect the whole pillows?

JMO
 
  • #267
Last page of attached: Return of Service Document.
Whatever has been reported, here is what we know about what was seized.

Relevant Items BBM

"STATE OF WASHINGTON
COUNTY OF WHITMAN
ISSUED BY:
SUPERIOR COURT , WHITMAN COUNTY, WASHINGTON
SW NO. 12-29-2022A( amended)
Returnof Service of Search Warrant
( Residenceand Storage Closet)
DATE ISSUED :
DATE SERVED :
SERVED BY:
HOW SERVED:
ITEMS SEIZED:
12-29-2022
12-30-2022
Return of Service of Search Warrant
per
order SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE GARY J. LIBEY
ASST . CHIEF DAWN DANIELS , 302
IN PERSON
FILED
JAN 03 2023 JILL COUNTY CLERK
1....[snipped BM for focus]...
All seized from Residence and currently stored at WSU PD
12. 1 computer tower
A. 1 collection of dark red spot ( collected without testing)
B. 2 cuttings from uncased pillow of reddish/ brown stain ( larger stain tested)

C. 2 top and bottom of mattress cover packaged separately both labeled
multiplestains ( one tested)"

ETA: I guess we are free to interpret this as we wish. Some might imagine a blood soaked pillow, other might visualise a couple of chunks/cuttings from a pillow with reddish/brown stains!

ETA: My interpretation is they took cuttings because...it says they took cuttings.
 
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  • #268
ETA: I guess we are free to interpret this as we wish. Some might imagine a blood soaked pillow, other might visualise a couple of chunks/cuttings from a pillow with reddish/brown stains!

I guess— but if it were blood soaked, my personal opinion is they would have taken the whole thing for testing! Makes me think it’s not likely to be blood. If blood soaked, they would need to test different parts of the pillow to see if it was sole source. IMO!

PS: Thank you very much for posting the whole list! That’s very helpful.
 
  • #269
"Slain University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle fought back against alleged killer Bryan Kohberger — suffering noticeable defensive wounds on her hands, a report said.

“Xana Kernodle put up a fierce fight when the attacker set upon her, repeatedly grabbing the attacker’s knife, so much so that she sustained deep cuts to her fingers and that her fingers were nearly severed."
:(

 
  • #270
I guess— but if it were blood soaked, my personal opinion is they would have taken the whole thing for testing! Makes me think it’s not likely to be blood. If blood soaked, they would need to test different parts of the pillow to see if it was some source. IMO!

PS: Thank you very much for posting the whole list! That’s very helpful.
Oh yeah, I agree. Some MSM might have interpreted as 'blood soaked pillow' IMO! MOO
 
  • #271
I guess— but if it were blood soaked, my personal opinion is they would have taken the whole thing for testing! Makes me think it’s not likely to be blood. If blood soaked, they would need to test different parts of the pillow to see if it was sole source. IMO!

PS: Thank you very much for posting the whole list! That’s very helpful.
It doesn’t say if 1 of the 2 stains tested (the larger one) reacted and therefore alerted them to the presence of blood. But they still took them.
 
  • #272
It doesn’t say if 1 of the 2 stains tested (the larger one) reacted and therefore alerted them to the presence of blood. But they still took them.

Took cuttings or the whole pillow? Oh interesting, just double checked and it doesn’t say where the dark red spot was located.

Is it typical for a list of evidence to be described so imprecisely? Or is it SOP in a situation like this?
 
  • #273
I respectfully disagree. How a defence attorney defends their client has more to do with establishing doubt that the cold hard truth.

These people will killed with a 7" blade by someone with great advantage and most were mortally wounded almost immediately. If the recent comments about X are correct and she wasn't immediately mortally wounded, she was literally in a fight for her life and people in those situations have little time to worry about saving others nor do they have time and energy to waste screaming.

It's nice you think of her as a hero and in my opinion, everyone in that house is, in their own special way but I feel comments like this, leave the survivors carrying an even greater burden that they all ready are.
Agreed. Heroic actions are managing to give anything resembling a coherent statement after 4 of your roommates have been slaughtered.

It just seems to be hard (and it really is) to comprehend how much damage a 7" blade can do instantly. I've got some pretty lethal looking kitchen knives and they are nothing compared to a combat blade. I have a feeling there was no time for a thought process in any of the victim's minds.

That doesn't lessen the impact they had while they walked on the earth or the impact remembering them will have.

While we're on the subject, it's like this knee-jerk reaction calling Kohberger a coward. What he did was dramatic, dangerous, daring, bold. Yeah, he got caught. But a coward? Nah. He screwed up.

All JMO
 
  • #274
These people will killed with a 7" blade by someone with great advantage and most were mortally wounded almost immediately. If the recent comments about X are correct and she wasn't immediately mortally wounded, she was literally in a fight for her life and people in those situations have little time to worry about saving others nor do they have time and energy to waste screaming.

Agree with this.

We really don't know what happened, and IMO we shouldn't even know this latest news due to the gag order.

But if the order of murder IS true, IMO it would be almost impossible for Xana or any victim to strategize at that time. It would be instinct to try to fight back, as she allegedly did, and there is ZERO time to ponder "shall I alert my friends by screaming, or is it best that I remain silent?"

Jmo
 
  • #275
But a coward?
I think attacking people in their sleep when they're very vulnerable and defenseless and not in a position to fight back is the textbook definition of coward, though. MOO
 
  • #276

University of Idaho victim Xana Kernodle is said to have fought back against her attacker and repeatedly grabbed the knife after her friends were stabbed to death, sources claim.


Kaylee Goncalves, 21, and Madison Mogen, 21, who were found in the same bed on November 13, were killed first before the killer, alleged to be Bryan Kohberger, brutally murdered Kernodle, 20, and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin, 20.

Sources told News Nation that Kernodle's fingers were nearly severed off from grabbing the knife and repeatedly fighting back.

The source's information matches what Kernodle's father Jeffrey Kernodle revealed in November.

Jeffrey Kernodle told CBS 5 that autopsy reports showed that his daughter's skin showed 'bruises, torn by the knife.'
I had a feeling Xana was the one that fought back. She was the only one known to be awake at the time. This is beyond awful. :(
 
  • #277
I think attacking people in their sleep when they're very vulnerable and defenseless and not in a position to fight back is the textbook definition of coward, though. MOO
And that's fine. :)

In my textbooks, cowards run and hide. We may just have different points of reference.

JMO
 
  • #278
Agreed. Heroic actions are managing to give anything resembling a coherent statement after 4 of your roommates have been slaughtered.

It just seems to be hard (and it really is) to comprehend how much damage a 7" blade can do instantly. I've got some pretty lethal looking kitchen knives and they are nothing compared to a combat blade. I have a feeling there was no time for a thought process in any of the victim's minds.

That doesn't lessen the impact they had while they walked on the earth or the impact remembering them will have.

While we're on the subject, it's like this knee-jerk reaction calling Kohberger a coward. What he did was dramatic, dangerous, daring, bold. Yeah, he got caught. But a coward? Nah. He screwed up.

All JMO
He is the definition of a coward.Having a large knife to use against mostly women when they are asleep drunk.You think he would have taken on Ethan at full stength without the knife?No way.
 
  • #279
There have been a bunch of conversations on here about how people don't react how they think they're going to react when they're in a life-threatening situation. Some run, some scream, but a big percentage either don't accept what's happening or freeze up completely.

I know when I got mugged, I froze. They were punching the crap out of my friends. My boyfriend tried to offer my purse as a decoy when they demanded his wallet, which was in his back pocket which he was sitting on. Rather than accepting that handing over my purse was smart, I started blathering about how there was no money in it because I didn't want to lose it. When they went to hit my boyfriend again was when my brain went into hysteric mode and I started shrieking for them to please stop and not hit us any more. This actually worked, and they backed off, reassured us they weren't going to hurt us any more, and got off at the next stop. They were probably less sympathetic to my tears and begging and more worried that my screaming and crying was going to attract attention. We waited two more stops before we contacted the guard for help, and he was visibly annoyed and confused as to why we hadn't come to him immediately. The truth is we were all too scared to move, even though the danger was long gone. Oh, and by the way, we were useless witnesses. We went to the police. When we talked later, all of our descriptions of the attackers were different. Ratios of race, age, number of attackers. We were dreadful, despite the fact that none of us could stop our heads echoing with afterimages of moments of an attack that probably took under two minutes. Between two stations. A distance of only a couple of kilometres.

We can have all kinds of ideas about how we're going to react. I was attacked on a train, by a group of teens like myself, who used nothing but fists and as far as I know were unarmed, with a guard in the next carriage, on a familiar section of line, in broad daylight. I have absolutely no idea how I would react if I was being attacked in the middle of the night in my home by a stranger with an enormous knife, and neither do any of you. The only folks who know are folks who've had it happen to them, and most of them don't survive to tell us. So we can't judge any of them, from the four that died, to D who saw the attacker, to the other roommate and the friends who came over the morning the attack was discovered. None of them.

I'm so sorry that happened to you.
 
  • #280
Yes, so going forward, if Miranda rights not read, individuals can't sue officers. So there's no recourse.
(But maybe this is getting off topic.) Supposedly any self-incriminating statements made that were 'un-Mirandized' could be excluded at trial, but civil rights groups disagree. Miranda Rights Endure Despite US Supreme Court Ruling

But the poster you were replying to was saying that Miranda is read at time of arrests for just that reason. The case you cited was strictly civil. It had nothing to do with the legalities of what is or isn't excluded in criminal court. There is no civil recourse, but criminal laws still apply. Regardless, I think BK was most likely mirandized right away. Doubt any officer(s) wants to risk a confession being thrown out in this case because he wasn't read his rights. MOO.
 
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