ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 43

[Sister Golden Hair]

I wonder why his father would fly out to drive cross country with him? Why NOT pay to fly out your son for a Christmas break, wouldn't that be cheaper, faster, and safer? Avoid winter storms

I'll say that's a long drive. He's 28 years old, not a college student. I think at that age I would have had to give my parents a really good reason why they should do that for me.

True story: I did something similar with my parents, and we had a heckagood time. We did it in December. We did it through snowy mountain states. It was actually really fun, and it remains a happy memory for me.

I can't speculate on reasons BCK may have had for the trip because IDK and respect to WS, nor do I know his relationship with his father, but IMO JMO being a homicidal maniac isn't necessarily the only reason someone would do this. The reason I would give my parents, "come on, it'll be fun!". And because we all shared that genetic disposition, they'd have said, "you're right! Let's do it!"

It's only in retrospect that BCK's trip raises red flags for me. AND IMO JMO, the opportunity to hang with your parents and have an adventure should not be done only after a quadruple homicide. I'd say take the opportunity when you have it, and don't murder anyone first. JMO IMO IME

editing to add: IMO JMO this may be a likely defense explanation, too IMO

 

[Ed Teach]

Kaylee did not work at MG

Thank you for pointing that out.

The restaurant still looms large in my mind as the original point of contact between our four kids and BK....my opinion.

The commentary about BKs disparaging comments about LBGTQ and M and K in the same bed stick out to me for some reason. My opinion.

 

[rescuemom]

I find this interesting too. Did he plan to leave the car with his parents and then fly back for classes in January? Why?
I don't understand the logic behind a long road trip with Dad, only to stay a short time to drive all the way in Winter storms.
I'm curious about this road trip. Did he ask Dad for advice? help? Did he confess to him?

I go back to this -- what IF the car was a lease and it was due to be returned or traded for another lease. Why did the car have to be in PA?

 

[musicaljoke]

I think he’s satisfied with having killed, hence his blank stare, that his 15 minutes of desired infamy is just beginning, and he’s feeling like the puppet-master surrounded by all this attention and will continue to do so throughout the legal proceedings. Imo. Now he’s somebody. He’s not invisible anymore and as much as he must have hated being found out, he’s going to love being known as the perpetrator of this vicious and cruel event. Which he was successful at as four lives were ended. Imo.

I'm not convinced. I think the workings of his mind may be more complicated than our minds can conceive. We tend to frame these horrible events within our own sense of logic, but that is likely not the true picture.

 

[Cindizzi]

Interview with MPD Chief Fry.


[…]

Fry said investigators continue to look for the murder weapon, described as a fixed-blade knife, and he said that more than 400 calls came in to the tip line in one hour after news of the arrest broke. Fry also confirmed that a white Hyundai Elantra was found at Kohberger's parents' home, where Kohberger was apprehended.

Fry called it "a little disappointing" that Kohberger was studying criminology in graduate school at Washington State University in Pullman.

"That's not what we want in our profession," Fry told Fox News. "We hold ourselves to a higher standard, and we hold ourselves to an ethical standard."

[…]

Moscow murders: Police chief believes suspect Bryan Kohberger acted alone

Police in Moscow, Idaho believe the suspect in the killings of four Idaho college students acted alone, chief James Fry indicated to Fox News Saturday.

www.q13fox.com

 

[schooling]

Actually, it was reported that he finished the semester which ended in December 9th and didn’t arrive back at his parents home until just before Christmas.
I wonder where the car was during that time? Parked in front of his apartment? Or dropped off out East of Moscow in a barn or some other off the grid area? And he was sitting there doing what? MOO
The first heads-up for an Elantra went out on 12/7/22. The gas station clip came out on 12/13.
Did he and the car really sit in Pullman through that tightening grip after classes were out, only to then take on the historic blizzard that engulfed the NW, Midwest, Southeast and Atlantic coast?
Depraved is another word for evil.
JMOO

The gas station clip has never been acknowledged as being the car by LE. From what I understand the gas station owner reached out to LE saying 'hey...i have a white car in that time range' and at some point he turned it over to them. A lot of people at that time pointed to LE incompetence for it taking that long for them to collect it.

In reality I think that LE knew the killer didn't take that route. So had no interest in the clip. And only went to collect it as to not appear incompetent.

The gas station attendant later released the clip himself to the media.

Personally, I don't think the car in that clip is an Elantra.

 

[Friday Fan]

True story: I did something similar with my parents, and we had a heckagood time. We did it in December. We did it through snowy mountain states. It was actually really fun, and it remains a happy memory for me.

I can't speculate on reasons BCK may have had for the trip because IDK and respect to WS, nor do I know his relationship with his father, but IMO JMO being a homicidal maniac isn't necessarily the only reason someone would do this. The reason I would give my parents, "come on, it'll be fun!". And because we all shared that genetic disposition, they'd have said, "you're right! Let's do it!"

It's only in retrospect that BCK's trip raises red flags for me. AND IMO JMO, the opportunity to hang with your parents and have an adventure should not be done only after a quadruple homicide. I'd say take the opportunity when you have it, and don't murder anyone first. JMO IMO IME

I just assumed his dad was along because it was winter. We got stuck in an ice storm in Illinois once. There was no way, I would have want to have driven through that alone!

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I've been looking and can find nothing about her employment. However, I know there was at least one article about it and IIRC, it was a coffee shop.

It certainly wasn't the Mad Greek because the Mad Greek put up a memorial message about the two employees they lost (Xana and Maddie).

I'm not sure Kaylee was still working in Moscow in this, her last semester. No mention of that - the article I'm remembering mentioned her pre-Fall 2022 work. Still looking.

Here’s a mention/ Dutch Bros Coffee.

Friends remember Moscow homicide victims as young, fun, full of life at vigil in Coeur d'Alene

Huddled close together not only for warmth but for support on Wednesday evening, twentysomethings with tears in their eyes took a microphone to remember the four close friends killed near the University of Idaho over the weekend. They approached a makeshift memorial to Maddie Mogen, Kaylee...

www.spokesman.com

 

[Copper107]

Yes! Because he drives a white Elantra. And I assume he was suddenly nowhere to be found after the murders. Probably told everyone he was traveling for Thanksgiving or something but I suspect he was driving across the country and never returned to Pullman.

BK did NOT flee to PA after the murders. He attended class and classmates noted he was more talkative than usual but did appear at times exhausted. They further said that when the crimes were discussed in class, he remained silent.

Bryan Kohberger attended WSU class during Idaho slayings discus…​

nypost.com/2022/12/31/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohberger-attended-wsu-c

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I just assumed his dad was along because it was winter. We got stuck in an ice storm in Illinois once. There was no way, I would have want to have driven through that alone!

Your assumption may be right I know my family's idea of fun and adventure was maybe not altogether normal, but we really had fun.

 

[10ofRods]

Idaho does not have an insanity defense. The state does allow a guilty but insane verdict and treatment can be provided.
Title 18-207 Idaho Legislature

Thank you so much for this! Wow.

So he chose to do his crime in a state with the death penalty and no insanity defense possible.

Not that I saw. I agree with my fellow psychotherapists here that in our field, psychopathy/antisocial personality disorder is interchangeable, but I thought it might not be in other fields and I didn't want to assume there wasn't another model out there. There are plenty of lay sources that suggest otherwise, but I was looking for a professional source.

Yes, it's a common term in journals of criminology. I think it's because it's NOT a diagnosis, it's a way of looking at a subject in their social setting. Here's just one journal article of many:

Bringing psychopathy into developmental and life-course criminology theories and research

Developmental and life-course criminology (DLC) aims to identify the causes and correlates of offending over the life span, focusing on the within-ind…

www.sciencedirect.com

Criminologists are not typically psychologists, so they do not use DSM categories because that's for psychiatrists, psychiatric researchers and psychologists. (And insurance companies). Criminologists are not clinicians, they are researchers. For them, the term still has value (and is used in the international crime literature in English, and has equivalents in most languages). It's not a diagnosis, it's a pattern of behaviors and interactions with the world at large. In French, it's psychopathe. In Russian, it's psikhopat. In Japanese, Saikopasu. For people like me, who are interested in cross-cultural studies of crime, it's a standard search term and category of academic study.

Its first use was in Germany in the 1840's. It's not a term that's going to go away in criminology, sociology, anthropology, history or other disciplines where DSM is not the proper document to use to speak about people. And of course, most nations have their own version of DSM (very similar to the US's) and you won't usually find the term in any diagnostic manual.

It's a social-cultural phenomenon and provides a way of speaking about patterns of crime, even when a specific individual is not identified, but also of the milieu and mindset (developmental factors; personal history; family history, etc) of a particular type of person. It's also used a great deal right now in the biological sciences that study human behavior (biopsych, bioanth, etc).

 

[rescuemom]

excellent post. You went many steps above and beyond what I have been saying. Totally agree.

He may have absolutely NO common sense...book smart only

 

[Sassafrass]

Going to school in another state does not equal driving there to murder anyone.

Oof, you're right on the drive! My mistake; I'd seen his education as located in PA (also where arrested) and missed that he'd just started at WSU this fall.

But so - he murdered them basically in his own backyard, before driving a car associate-able to him the 2000 miles across country to his parents' town, where it seems he parked the car.

And *if* it actually was their car and registered in PA, again, an out-state plate, particularly if from a state quite a ways away, with neither particularly being associated for snowbirds and such, will potentially stick out more than one more commonly seen in the area. A comment about planning and potential flaws, not an assertion - particularly at this early point - that any of the potential flaws was fatal in itself or even played out. Afaik, no one called the police saying, "hey there's a weird PA-plated car outside and the guy driving is covered in blood-covered plastic.".

Just saying that if you want to be invisible, maybe using your parents' car or your own car or a car with plates from far away and then hopping on interstates and going to gas stations modern enough to have cctv aren't the most clever things to do.

He was found through DNA. And there is nothing suspicious about out of state travelers, especially on the holidays.

I thought I had read here of a gas station employee who reviewed security cam footage for a white Hyundai Elantra? Either way, the police were looking for that make/model back in early December, and reportedly there was one in PA/at or near where he was living, that has been said to be of interest, at a minimum. Very few criminal cases are built or proved (or disproved) with the existence of only one solitary, single piece of evidence.

 

[Shadowtrix]

Not very hopeful the weapon will be recovered when he likely tossed it on his drive to PA.

 

[Seattle1]

Would love to know how that conversation went. Car trouble so he wanted to bring it home to sell it? Why not just sell it in WA? Needed it to be fixed? Just wanted a road trip with dear old dad?

What date did LE first announce they were looking for a white elantra?

Per the police press release/update, it was 12/7/22.

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24894/12-07-22-Moscow-Police-Ask-for-Communitys-Help

 

[CLGM]

But you can delete it all.

Is it ever really irretrievably gone though?

 

[Boxer]

I just assumed his dad was along because it was winter. We got stuck in an ice storm in Illinois once. There was no way, I would have want to have driven through that alone!

But would you expose older parent to the dangers?

 

[MountainGal33]

I think he’s satisfied with having killed, hence his blank stare, that his 15 minutes of desired infamy is just beginning, and he’s feeling like the puppet-master surrounded by all this attention and will continue to do so throughout the legal proceedings. Imo. Now he’s somebody. He’s not invisible anymore and as much as he must have hated being found out, he’s going to love being known as the perpetrator of this vicious and cruel event. Which he was successful at as four lives were ended. Imo.

While motive has not been established yet and I personally believe its tied to Kaylee as his primary target - everything about what I am reading seems to fall in line with the incel profile...

The 4 murdered represented everything he is not - young /vibrant /successful/ and socially popular ...

And so yes he would feel successful (but not really feel it, more like intellectualize it) and frankly probably upset they caught him - but not remorseful.

I think after he killed them he went back to his apartment to continue his thesis on how to get away with murder. Using his murder spree as part of his thesis paper...

I believe BK is a pure Psychopath -

 

[Parsnip]

According to a Tweet by Brian Entin with News Nation

The Public Defender in PA states that BCK is "Eager to be exonerated of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible"
He also states that BCK intends to waive his extradition hearing to expedite his transportation to Idaho.

Did anyone actually expect him to say anything but this?

Not really!

But then he is the source for the father-son cross country trip. I’m sure that would have come out eventually, but it sure doesn’t make his current client look good at the moment, imo.

 

[Seattle1]

I confess I have been wrapped up in real life and the holidays. Sorry if this has been discussed but do we know if any of the victims were victims of SA that night?

No per the autopsy and police reports.

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