ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 43

[Sassafrass]

If the car interior was stained with victims blood, no way he would leave it parked at the front of his university office and fly away for holiday, especially knowing that LE are looking for a car like the one he was driving. On the other hand, he could not sell the car as he was not the registered owner. Of course he would drive away the car at first opportunity. Why his father flew from Pennsylvania to Idaho only to drive back to PA couple of days later? It could be just a very innocent explanation or it could be that parents were worried to let him driving along on 2500 miles trip because of health issues..

Health issues?

 

[Friday Fan]

I just watched this video. This reporter is saying that the white Elantra was captured around 3:45 am heading towards the victims home. I thought that the car was captured heading away from their home at 3:45am. Guess it doesn't really matter that much, just gives a bit of perspective on the timeline. It's about 1 min into the video - Idaho murders: Person in white car spotted on video has 'critical' information, police say

It's from the gas station and no ones if this is the same car or not.

 

[EBW321]

IMO JMO any of these things could have happened. IDK, none of us do, and the prosecution will say 'tomato' and the defense will say 'to-mah-to', and there we are.

In this case, re the roadtrip, we just don't know, and that was my point - it's important to counter each event with possible explanations IMO JMO, esp with BARD in play.

If I think about, commit to, stick to only one side of the equation, only one argument that validates what I believe or know to be true, then I can miss the big old hole on the other side of the equation. IMO JMO. Classic example of this, thank you Chris Darden, is the OJ glove. Prosecution was so sure it would fit, they didn't think one step ahead, and we all know how that ended.

So when making my point, I always go to the other side and make the argument against my point because IMO JMO then I can head it off effectively. That's IMO JMO and what I did with the cross-country roadtrip (although it is a true story).

Ohhh.

And this is why I like all your posts and comments. Open minded. No tunnel vision.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[IceCreamSundae]

???
The video in the link ?
The public defender bit ?
I'm somewhat surprised his parents or the rest of his family haven't hired him a high profile defender.
Jmo.

I’ve seen nothing to indicate his family could afford a “high profile defender.” Furthermore, his current public defender is only representing him on the extradition matter, not the murder charges.

 

[Sandy007]

Would love to know how that conversation went. Car trouble so he wanted to bring it home to sell it? Why not just sell it in WA? Needed it to be fixed? Just wanted a road trip with dear old dad?

What date did LE first announce they were looking for a white elantra?

He could not sell the car if he was not its registered owner

 

[Ccging]

It's not that a cross-country road-trip is weird. It's driving your car home from WA to PA but you'll be back in WA for your next semester of school in a few weeks. Don't you need your car back at school? So his plan was to drive his car BACK to WA alone for a second cross-country road trip a few weeks later?

Maybe he never planned on going back? Because that does seem very odd.

 

[Curiosa20]

I think with his proximity to the house, with the amount of tips LE was reporting coming into the tip line, he probably figured he'd be one of the first to be reached out to. Especially if his car was sighted in the area or captured on camera.

Not hearing from LE after a week or 2 probably only emboldened him. Might have even thought that with 22,000 potential cars.... LE would quickly clear him and not even call after seeing that his white Elantra was owned by a PHD candidate in Criminology.

At the same time, I bet he checked off many boxes on BAU profiles. Maybe LE was waiting for DNA to pounce.

 

[schooling]

If the car interior was stained with victims blood, no way he would leave it parked at the front of his university office and fly away for holiday, especially knowing that LE are looking for a car like the one he was driving. On the other hand, he could not sell the car as he was not the registered owner. Of course he would drive away the car at first opportunity. Why his father flew from Pennsylvania to Idaho only to drive back to PA couple of days later? It could be just a very innocent explanation or it could be that parents were worried to let him driving along on 2500 miles trip because of health issues..

If this Criminology PhD failed to account for the likelihood of getting blood on the seats of his car....I'd be shocked.

I still think that he knew the police would have to use some sort of filtering to be able to examine all of 22,000 Elantra's. Quickly eliminating those that are unlikely to fit the profile to make the list more maneagable. Figured that his profile (PhD candidate in criminology) would get him past any closer scrutiny. And got his car out of town so it wouldn't end up in a tip from the neighbor and draw LE attention.

 

[Sandy007]

Health issues?

For example

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

Dave Cullen in the epilogue to his book Columbine talks about “spectacle murder”—murder for no other reason than to be known (whether or not the killer is caught) to get his deeds or his face on TV.

Its the Bryan Kohberger show and your invited.

He has everything planned in his little delusional head but it's not quite going to plan.

He'll defend through a public defender but contrary to his delusional skills, he's made a truck tonne of mistakes, but he has mapped out the case right till the end.

He didn't expect genealogy familial dna to find him as he had a clean slate.

He has a plan but it's going togo horribly wrong. Like most, he is snorting smoke in prison.

 

[BingoBongo]

This is another criminal that, in my eyes, reeks of extreme narcissism (many of them do, esp. at this level of crime). I get the impression he was sloppy, even though studying criminal justice. His extreme "all about me" demands re his veganism, etc. Probably thought he was "too smart" to get caught.

 

[Seattle1]

I'm sure his parents are younger than I am! (My kids are all older than him and I got married old)
My husband would do it! As a matter of fact, hubby always wants to go on road trips.

We drove through a Colorado ice storm a few years ago. Then we went to Rocky Mountain National Park on New Year's Eve, cuz that's what the kids wanted to do! Yes, we hiked with a one year old grandson. I think we got about 1/2 mile. I was making Donner Party jokes the whole time.

I agree! Whether or not family or a buddy, driving 2000+ miles cross country alone any time of the year-- let alone the dead of winter-- isn't necessarily prudent for anybody today.

And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody also drove with him in August (move from PA to WA) as well. JMO

 

[eloquence]

On a related note, do you think that he tries to either drag down or implicate the famed professor/author that he worked with?

I can't see this working for him... a famed crime researcher is a huge step to murdering 4 people in cold blood. MOO is he has always had a perverse interest in violent crime and used his education to "spend time" around his idols (serial killers and violent criminals) and know as much about crime as possible

 

[10ofRods]

IMO he has to get back to Idaho and enter a not guilty plea in order to see all the evidence against him. IMO he needs, really really needs to know how LE has solved this. He needs to know where his plan went wrong and if there was something LE missed, etc. Right now he can only guess what they have, how they got it, how long did it take to figure it out, what they haven't figured out yet, etc. I still, IMO, believe he intentionally created a complicated a crime scene in his fiction come-to-life plot.
all moo

You are on a roll today! I bet he is so antsy to know. And he's now off suicide watch (DM mischaracterizes his current residence as prison - it's not a prison, it's a jail, but their article does mention that he's now off suicide watch):

Idaho victim's father says she had CONNECTIONS to suspected killer

Steve Goncalves, father of Kaylee, 21, said his family has found connections between the University of Idaho student and suspect Bryan Kohberger, who was arrested on Friday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I tell you, he needs paper and pencil. They won't give him any kind of pen, as they are too easily made into stiletto-style weapons. He'll get a short wooden pencil if he gets one. I bet he is a compulsive notetaker and writer, as so many academic types are.

One of his fellow students does indeed say he always found the most complicated way to explain anything (presumably a crime scene; would have made a great criminal defense attorney):

Man charged in Idaho student murders to waive Pennsylvania court appearance

Suspect, 28, accused of killing four students will waive his extradition hearing and will be brought to Idaho to face charges

www.theguardian.com

 

[NyxNY]

@Breakout quoting your post below, can you please provide a link to where you read that BK is anti-LGBTQ? Forgive me if this was already asked and provided.

Your quote “Interesting to note that he expressed anti-LGBTQ views. Wonder if any of that played a role in his actions against MM and KG in general— as in, a more vicious attack because he assumed they were a couple?”

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

But would you expose older parent to the dangers?

How much older? 98, then no, 58, some of us may not see that as old.

It's not that a cross-country road-trip is weird. It's driving your car home from WA to PA but you'll be back in WA for your next semester of school in a few weeks. Don't you need your car back at school? So his plan was to drive his car BACK to WA alone for a second cross-country road trip a few weeks later?

Oh, I get it. I'm not thinking that because I did something, it makes what he did the same thing. I'm not defending him. My entire point is that it's important to think of both sides of it. And we don't know what his plan was, so we can't assume about the way back. IMO JMO. And when I hear what that plan was, I'll do the same thing, and think of an explanation from the other POV.

JMO IMO, it's how I always approach an argument, from the other side first. For example, in a recent interview, I started out with why I wasn't the right person. I literally saw surprise/disappointment on one person's face. Then I sold them, and it all ended very well.

 

[Copper107]

IMO he has to get back to Idaho and enter a not guilty plea in order to see all the evidence against him. IMO he needs, really really needs to know how LE has solved this. He needs to know where his plan went wrong and if there was something LE missed, etc. Right now he can only guess what they have, how they got it, how long did it take to figure it out, what they haven't figured out yet, etc. I still, IMO, believe he intentionally created a complicated a crime scene in his fiction come-to-life plot.
all moo

Whichever way he pleads he will see the probable cause affidavit and know all of the information he needs to see, where his plan went off the rails etc. Regardless of whether he waives extradition or not he is going back to Idaho, one way another, sooner or later. JMO

 

[IceCreamSundae]

Per CNN (link) (bolding mine) it sounds like it is a given. He could fight extradition but it seems he will lose and has chosen not to. LaBar is his PA public defender.

"LaBar later told CNN that the extradition hearing is a “formality proceeding.” He said all the Commonwealth needs to prove is that his client resembles or is the person on the arrest warrant and that he was in the area at the time of the crime.

LaBar said he spoke to Kohberger for around an hour Friday evening, discussing where he was at the time of the killings. “Knowing of course that it’s likely they have location data from his cell phone already putting him on the border of Washington and Idaho,” LaBar told CNN, “it was an easy decision obviously, since he doesn’t contest that he is Bryan Kohberger.”

Exactly, he lived close by so was in the area and he doesn’t deny he’s BK, so no point wasting time.

 

[passionflower]

CNN just said a man was interviewed and said that BK was planning on driving back after holidays

 

[Palinsmom]

I wonder why his father would fly out to drive cross country with him? Why NOT pay to fly out your son for a Christmas break, wouldn't that be cheaper, faster, and safer? Avoid winter storms?

Just thinking about a possible reason.
I haven’t flown in several years so I don’t know the exact rules. I live in PA and just within the last couple of years that have started requiring what is called a ‘Real ID’ to be allowed to fly. Implemented because of 9/11) I know several years in the making. I have no idea if this is true in other states. Maybe it’s possible he could fly out of Washington or Idaho going to PA , but if he didn’t have the new ‘Real ID’ he wouldn’t be able to fly out of PA. That doesn’t explain why his dad flew out, but could be a reason that the suspect didn’t fly.
Just my opinion