ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 45

[Montecore1]

Probably why I "profiled" him as 25-30, a grad student (or a failed grad student), a person who was impersonating a U of I student (I didn't expect him to be a bona fide student someplace else - and am not sure that he was actually a "true student" there or that he passed his Fall classes). I also felt the car would belong to parents, which is why the LE messaging was the way it was (but, maybe, didn't reach all the way to PA). After I wrote my profile, I got some very strange responses here (rude, bullying). That's not usually how WS is (taken care of immediately by other people reporting, I will add - I wouldn't have reported those myself).

You definitely checked most boxes correctly...great insight & sleuthing indeed

 

[seemstome]

Anyone think he looks like the tall guy in the hat leaving when the dad spoke at the event?

Post a link? Give time stamp when the person leaves?

 

[NugHunter]

Just some opinions I have

BK will plead not guilty.His defense will challenge every single piece of evidence on on as many different grounds possible.He will be heavily involved in his defense and it will be noticeable at trial.All DNA evidence will be challenged by DNA Defense experts lasting weeks of what some would call" boring" testimony . In the end he will be found guilty and sentenced to death. Post trial he will always maintain his innocence and he will have a following of people who believe in his innocence and will fight for his freedom. His appeals will go on for years and years..

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609733287077097474

 

[10ofRods]

Obviously we think differently. I believe it is the moral duty of responsible citizens to do our utmost to live by the ideals of our system. Misinformation, rumor, inflammatory news articles rabid speculation, and hearsay are harmful and can potentially impact the jury pool, thus making the prosecution's job more difficult. Additionally, a tainted jury pool creates an appeal argument for a convicted defendant.

WS really does a great job NOT using the kinds of sources you're talking about. But, we will have to agree to disagree about our duty as citizens. There will always be rapid speculation ( I see NONE on WS ) and the jury pool is screened (in all courts I've been in) for just this kind of bias. I've seen criminal defense attorneys who followed a crime closely impanelled and then, doing their duty, return a guilty verdict.

I believe our Constitution allows us to be independent thinkers, encourages it, in fact. It also gives journalism (and education) the ability to question everything. Everything. Full stop. As long as we don't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, etc.

The Courts themselves disagree with you. Opinions and comments on MSM are allowed (much less moderated than here).

More than half of Americans aren't reading much or any news (although I suspect Latah County is totally immersed in this - which is why there can be a change of venue), Most normal humans abide by the rules of court - which ask us to set aside prior beliefs and impressions about a case.

We are not required to give up the basic human quality of attempting to assess bad behavior as against good behavior.

It does not make either the prosecution's OR the defense's job more difficult. But if you have a source for that, I'd love to see it, as it is a big interest of mine.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Question for anyone in PA that may know - but could it be that the Elantra had to go through an inspection / smog test to be re-registered for another year? I know in some states kids need to bring their cars back to their home state in order to register it for another year?! It might explain why he drove it back and Dad had this long-planned trip with him?
Just a thought...

PA requires “state inspection” every year. The due date is visible on a sticker on the left side of the windshield. State inspection includes major items like tires, breaks and exhaust as well as inspection for emissions. Inspection stations require that the car’s registration is current and the insurance is valid. The inspection date and the registration due date may or may not be aligned.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609737506244952064

 

[pumpfe]

2500 miles. Two drivers could do it in 2 long days.

Yep, had two friends do it. One slept while the other drove and they just rotated. Never stayed in a hotel and drove straight thru across the country.

 

[sleuther123]

I have been a little confused by that, too, but I think the distinction is everything that said the 4 days that I saw was in reference to PA FBI. So, that doesn't rule out FBI agents from other states or other agencies following him in the days before that. MOO

Yeah I think the four days was just the trip to PA - he's likely been under surveillance for longer (both before and after) - they wouldn't have left him unwatched once they ID'd him. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

By *location*...are they PINPOINTING in real time matching precise locations of BK and Victims? He did reside within 10 miles of victims over a protracted period of time...so to me this statement is very nebulous. MOO

Where I live, the cell towers can figure out which room of the house I left my phone or iPad in. Thankfully.

 

[Sleuth_EMJ]

It's a claim from a "source": "Mobile phone data reportedly shows that Bryan Kohberger, 28, was often in the same location as the three university of Idaho students and one of their boyfriends before he allegedly slashed them to death as they apparently slept at a house off campus, a source close to one of the case’s investigators told the media." Man accused of Idaho murders allegedly stalked students for weeks

I hope the source wasn't the Facebook poster who claimed that a local police officer near Kohberger's parents' house had blabbed to her husband. That post did not seem all that credible.

 

[nao]

MOO. Do they? Elliot Rodger, Dylan Klebold, Alek Minassian - these weren’t physically unattractive guys. I don’t think society misunderstands incels at all. I think most North Americans easily spot them even if they can’t identify precisely why, beyond “awkward” and “staring” and “abrupt.” Doesn’t seem to have much to do with looks, and don’t think it would’ve been hard to stereotypically characterize BK as one in high school or college, either. The people who struggle to ID an angry incel generally share one essential characteristic:
The ones in the deepest denial are their mothers.

Awkward.. abrupt..staring... I do have poor social skills...wish i didn't..i am female not an incel...moo i do get along with people who are awkward though ...moo honestly i will change that i never wanted to hang with the popular crowd they are as alien to me as i am to them. I am autistic though.

 

[HMSHood]

2500 miles. Two drivers could do it in 2 long days.

I never thought the killer would be arrested in Pennsylvania. I expected the killer to be arrested in the Western US, likely Idaho or Washington.

 

[Montecore1]

There is an interesting physical similarity when comparing all of their faces. To your list I would add a picture of Adam Lanza.

The first time I saw BCK's mugshot on Friday I thought he looked like Timothy McVeigh...

 

[HMSHood]

Bryan Kohberger harassed women at Pennsylvania brewery: report

Bryan Kohberger, accused of brutally murdering four University of Idaho students last month, frightened female staffers at a Pennsylvania brewery near his hometown, according to a report.

nypost.com

Bryan Kohberger raised some red flags at Seven Sirens Brewing Company. He was often a bully there.

 

[SluthingAintEasy]

Question for anyone in PA that may know - but could it be that the Elantra had to go through an inspection / smog test to be re-registered for another year? I know in some states kids need to bring their cars back to their home state in order to register it for another year?! It might explain why he drove it back and Dad had this long-planned trip with him?
Just a thought...

It's really not that long of a trip, I've done those cross countries many times. It's a straight shot and easy driving. He would be home for about a month. Driving is common, for that legenth of time, nunless a person wanted to be without a car for that amount time. A person would drive. It's also a very pretty drive through the north country.

 

[Stratocaster]

forensic silent justice....

To me forensic silent justice comes in the form of 'fighting for your life' defensive wounds.

Here's hoping some of the victims retained forensics silent justice evidence fighting for their lives that comes out at trial. The deceased will have their silent say in court with the amount of BK's dna left behind

 

[YepperBepper]

Not sure what you're saying. My students tell me they see this behavior daily. At home. In the neighborhood. At school. Are not willing to do anything formal about it whatsoever, would prefer just to go on with life, as it's not going away. I can't dispute that, because indeed, this behavior is longterm.

And what, exactly is the "small thing" that we can do? I try very hard to make myself available to such students and may contrive a reason to have them come to an office hour, where I am great at befriending them (after warning my admin assist of the situation). On days when the office building is devoid of people, yes, it gets creepy. Perhaps this has been the "small way" that has kept my college completely free of mass murder (a lot of us share this philosophy of teaching). But I think that's probably not the right answer.

I was called into a case involving a very similar perp (I just didn't know that yet). I feel that his supervisors (and myself) did everything possible to signal to him that he needed help/change etc. He was a policeman. Other policemen were afraid of him and that's why I was there (but I didn't know that). I didn't know that he was under surveillance within the building and in its parking lots. He was given a choice to get help and stop doing what he was doing (multiple bad things),

He's now serving a 20 year prison sentence, after being transferred to a job where he had very little contact with people and he was undergoing psychiatric and psychological treatment. He still found a way of continuing - and escalating his crimes.

And let me say that the amount spent on this one individual was rather large. And his bosses were so compassionate and tried to get him help. He was, btw, the identical twin of a felon who is also serving a life sentence - and he proudly told me "Had I not become a policeman, I would have been a criminal."

And I believed him. Allowed him to show me around the station and then walk me to my car.

At just one high school where I've been called in, the number of similar misfits and bullies was quite large and no one knew where to begin (and now, 10 years out, yep, some of those boys are now in jail or prison). They got counseling, etc. Everyone treated them with compassion (perhaps, IMO, too much? Boundaries and limits are the key to stopping this kind of behavior, in my professional opinion and there's research to show that).

One of those boys is in a psychiatric facility where he's kept in check (no longer attacking people) due to consistent and firm boundaries. I won't go into what those are - but I could.

I can't like this post enough.

I have seen this on a smaller scale with younger people. Pre-teen (transition age) and younger. My experience is limited, but I've had some children stand out, but one in particular. I was working in private school situation for children with special needs. The majority of the children had downs, MR, non verbal autism, cp. Some behaviors but nothing that schedules, boundaries and calm setting couldn't overcome. I'll never be certain how it happened (but I assume it was misplaced and naive "compassion), but we accepted a child (9) who had been expelled from 2 other schools. He had some DXs (that I don't believe were compatible with the children who were enrolled). But.. he was enrolled. Long story short, this kid could smell weakness from a mile away. He would pinch, trip, etc children who were vulnerable. He understood he could get away with doing things to those who couldn't speak and he was also adept at picking the perfect opportunity and moment when adults were distracted. He was also very physically affectionate. Uncomfortably so. The principal and psych did not want to hear any of it. They took this child under the proverbial wing. They were going to save him. He didn't last long and his tenure there ended up with him stomping another non verbal boy who had autism and CP. The boy who was stomped spent 3 days in the hospital.

I found out later that this child was sexually abused by his siblings while his mother partied. A few years after the above incidents, he placed his infant brother in an outdoor public trash can because he was tired of
hearing him cry. That culminated in him being institutionalized until 18 (which is coming up shortly). Heaven help us all.

Sometimes, things are too "wrong". Sometimes, it's too late. Sometimes, a person is too damaged. And sometimes, people naively try to "save" these extremely damaged people instead of protecting those innocents around them.

Imho.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609036525723086849

 

[Sleuth2010]

If he had his cell phone with him the night of the murders, LE probably also had cell phone/tower data showing where he was that night. JMO.

Have thought about cell phone as well. IMO he left it behind. That is something this killer would have learned, not to carry something that tracks and records his movements. But, I do believe in his arrogance he phone-stalked. Also, wonder if the women sleeping in the same bed, was what threw him off his " perfect crime" He is getting what he deserves. And we are allowed to sleuth with common sense (we are not the courts) and so I think he is guilty and now JUSTICE is being served.