ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 45

[nhmemorymaker]

Can someone fill in/ correct timeline-

Graduated Pleasant Valley High School:?
Associates Degree, Northampton Community College: 2018
Bachelor’s Degree, DeSales: 2020
Master’s Degree, DeSales: 2022
Part time Security Officer, Pleasant Valley High School : ? (Including 2021)

someone does say that he was in some vocational program between 2012-2014.... but there was no link to clarify or state as fact.

These years are pretty important in an individual's life... as far as I have seen, no one has commented as knowing him during these years of 2012--2017ish.
Twill come out...just surprised it is taking a while.

 

[Arkay]

Are we still on this topic lol? Who knows. All we can do is speculate. Some find it odd others not so much. How about just as a hypothetical maybe he was had a recent change in meds ( if he took any) and thought it better to have someone with him while driving until he adjusted to the pills. He may have told his father he was exhausted after the rigors of the course work and feared he may fall asleep at the wheel. He may just have wanted company. Why didn’t he fly? Who knows. Maybe he has some type of a phobia. Maybe he is a germophobe or just uneasy/ claustrophobic in airplanes.
The reason will be revealed in good time.
His lawyer says it was pre planned. Meanwhile endless threads go on and on about this - Why? His parents are being treated as victims for websleuths purposes
So it cannot be about them. Just my opinion

Agree.

I understand people are trying to discern his family dynamic, but speaking for myself alone, I'm completely disinterested in the logistics or hidden meanings of why his father drove him.

Same with his sister's published poem, which I actually thought was respectfully written.

BCK's family are not suspects, so IN MY OPINION ONLY, it's not necessary to parse their every action.

Many children grow up and are apples who ricocheted FAR from the tree.

Unless or until we hear that his family was aware that he was a potential mass-murderer, I personally don't find their actions suspicious, nor even relevant to the case.

JMO and not slamming those who feel differently.

 

[Sundog]

How do you run out of time on your capstone thesis, exclude any meaningful data, and STILL get a Masters degree?

In lieu of his research survey, which was part of his senior capstone project, sounds like he wrote a research paper because the data wasn't available to complete the survey analysis. It would not be unusual to give a graduate student at the Master's level this option. Many professional schools give students a thesis option or a research analysis paper offer as part of their program. Perhaps BK was ambitious and tried to do both, and in the end with data unavailable he opted for the research paper. Not unusual.

I don't believe he was given a pass, by any means. I did notice he received an award at his commencement ceremony at DeSales, so the quality of his work in his program was likely of highest quality.

 

[Elley Mae]

I avoid flying in and out of small/regional airports. It's very expensive.

When we fly to Wisconsin, we always fly to Minneapolis or Chicago. Even flying to Milwaukee ups the price!

He likely flew from Philly.

Was thinking Scranton Pa to Spokane, 40 minute drive.

I live under 5 miles from BWI and go to Reagan in Alexandria Va to get direct flights. 40 minute drive is a breeze.

 

[RockyMtnWay_406]

Going back to his questionnaire for convicts, did he ask how they discarded their weapons, clothes?

I watched that whole questionnaire on a video and didn't see anything specific RE discarding murder weapons or clothes.

 

[Mad Hettie]

This stuck out for me: "According to LaBar, Kohberger's dad had flown into Seattle, to Spokane and then drove into Pullman to get his son and drive back to Pennsylvania during the holiday. It was a planned trip." I had no problem with the idea of him flying out and driving back in BK's car, but this trip sounds really convoluted. If he went from ABE in Allentown, I can't find a direct flight to Seattle, and the flights add up to nine hours or so. Maybe he went from Philly? Did he leave a car at one of those airports? Then another 1+hour to Spokane? Did BK pick him up in Spokane and they drove from there? Did the dad spend the night in Pullman before starting this drive? This is beginning to sound like a trip that was "planned" sometime after November 13, for a very specific reason.

Out here in the west, we drive a considerable ways to travel by air, especially now that air travel is so chaotic and expensive. Is that also true in the Eastern part of the US if you’re in a rural area?

 

[MissyMom]

This stuck out for me: "According to LaBar, Kohberger's dad had flown into Seattle, to Spokane and then drove into Pullman to get his son and drive back to Pennsylvania during the holiday. It was a planned trip." I had no problem with the idea of him flying out and driving back in BK's car, but this trip sounds really convoluted. If he went from ABE in Allentown, I can't find a direct flight to Seattle, and the flights add up to nine hours or so. Maybe he went from Philly? Did he leave a car at one of those airports? Then another 1+hour to Spokane? Did BK pick him up in Spokane and they drove from there? Did the dad spend the night in Pullman before starting this drive? This is beginning to sound like a trip that was "planned" sometime after November 13, for a very specific reason.

I wonder if they were pulled over twice on purpose because the police were tracking him. Maybe trying to get DNA or other evidence.

 

[fred&edna]

I think some are giving him way too much credit
He had a rep of a guy who is rude to women and has a temper Fox 29 Philly
He drove a white car at night around the crime scene to case it out, and was seen
He drove this white car past home cameras and gas station cameras
He left his DNA at the crime scene
He lived 10 min away
He drove this same car on campus

He left a series of ’research’ questions to help him ’learn’ how to do crime? Weird

He got caught because he left a wake of evidence, despite having degrees in CJ?

I’m guessing there is also phone pings and digital footprint evidence, and then he likely went to the restaurant or bars where these girls went so he was seen and known to be a jerk.

He is not some criminal mastermind like so many are thinking
I think he was tipped in by a classmate or prof

JMO

ITA... he's only a master in his own mind. He's simply a killer who preyed upon innocent victims.

 

[Friday Fan]

Out here in the west, we drive a considerable ways to travel by air, especially now that air travel is so chaotic and expensive. Is that also true in the Eastern part of the US if you’re in a rural area?

I think so.
Commuter fare has become very expensive.

Heck, I know people who live in San Antonio and fly out of Austin (Austin has the better airport and often cheaper flights).

 

[scapa]

such serial killer vibes. Russel Williams never slept either! And some others. Makes me think psychopaths don’t need sleep like the rest of us.
MOO

Williams is an interesting comparo in some ways, but he was able to mask himself for a long, long time before he started to escalate and unravel. BCK seemed to want to begin with a bang -- if indeed this was the beginning -- perhaps like another of his SK "heroes."

The characterization of the crime as "messy" may prove to be among the most telling detail going forward.

 

[Parsnip]

Out here in the west, we drive a considerable ways to travel by air, especially now that air travel is so chaotic and expensive. Is that also true in the Eastern part of the US if you’re in a rural area?

BK’s father had probably half a dozen or so options within a 2-3 hour drive: Lehigh Valley, Philly, Trenton, Newark, Harrisbug, etc.

 

[taylorss]

Yeah as far as his family goes, it looks like he moved as far away from his home & family as he could to commit this evil crime IMO …

Not necessarily that he moved with the specific idea of doing this, but i wouldn’t be surprised JMO.

He was in PA for all his schooling, college, masters, living at home & driving a family car AFAIK .Then he left to move all the way across the country & a few months later he does this … IMO seems like his family had nothing at all to do with it & that was just how he wanted it. JMO

 

[Sundog]

Right. It would most likely have been included in the syllabus from day one. He should have been working on it for 2 yrs. He should not have passed his program. (ETA the manner in which he planned to collect his data was flawed anyway because there would be no way to validate that the respondents were in fact criminals.)

I bet the professor who confirmed this information has already received negative feedback from her superiors. This is why most organizations have policies that any form of communication to media must go thru a certain department and employees are strictly forbidden from speaking. This definitely makes their university look like a bottom feeder, take the money, diploma mill.

It's hard for a university to control faculty speech, especially tenured faculty. They can ask that all faculty refrain from speaking out to the media and work through their communications department spokesperson, referring all requests for interviews from the media to them, but faculty do have the right to speak out on their own. Since the professor being discussed here is an Associate Professor, that means she is tenured, then it is difficult to control speech. A private university has more options that a public university, but is still under the watchful eye of the AAUP (American Association of University Professors) and most universities don't want a "black mark" against them by the AAUP, as that would impact their ability to attract the best faculty to their campuses.

 

[Seattle1]

Is BK being extradited today? Is there still a hearing scheduled tomorrow?

States are observing the holiday today, Jan 2. Regardless if BK is not fighting the process, the petition by ID for the fugitive still has to be legally processed by the court.

I guess I don't understand why BK would be extradited in advance of his scheduled extradition hearing on Tuesday.

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpDocketSheet?docketNumber=CP-45-MD-0000682-2022&dnh=hkZjacBEVX%2B8jzutdrzM4A%3D%3D

Criminal Justice and Extradition

Criminal Justice and Extradition

www.ogc.pa.gov

 

[PrairieWind]

We

ll, it was reported by a friend that he was a heroin user in HS. What effect that has later in life is pretty pertinent.

Do you have a link to a source for that?

 

[Boxer]

That could easily be that he is just laying on his bunk facing away from the door and the camera... Speculating here, but I would imagine that is the way most people in jail would act or sleep.
Plus why are these guards giving interviews to the media??

Agree. Details usially come from inmates.

 

[NuttMegg]

I imagine he'll do everything he can to be thought of as needing psychiatric care.

To you psychology-oriented posters: could a poi like BCK, with a bachelors' in psych, plus whatever he learned getting his masters' and with one semester of course work towards a PhD in Criminology, criminal behavior, could he have learned enough to know how to fake the tests they will give him? Fool the test administers into thinking he is not well mentally?

 

[PawneeDew]

I wondered the same thing. It never really made sense to me. Heroin addiction sometime in his late high school years, I believe there was one report that said it went possibly into college. But also been reported that he had a steady job, and that he had obviously made it through a bachelor's and masters program onto studying for a PhD. Without more detail, none of that makes any sense in my mind. IMO

There are functional drug-addicts, just like there are functional alcoholics.You'd be amazed, nobody would ever guess...

 

[Thora_Jay]

I wonder if @Thora_Jay is about? She's done hundreds of ' suicide watches' and afaik, he's still on watch.

Hi @cottonweaver!
I am way behind on this thread! I just got to page 15 when I noticed your tag to me thank-you for tagging.
Where I worked, this was the SOP (Standard Operating Procedures)
The Anti-Suicide suit is a gown that the length goes to about the knees on a person of average height.
A quilted material that the inmate cannot tear or rip to use to hang or strangle themselves. Lightweight Velcro is at the shoulders to hold the gown on. They are also given a blanket of the same construction. They look like moving blankets that is used to protect items during a move.
No under garments, no socks, just the gown and the blanket.

Inmates are in single one bunk cells in solitary when wearing the gown and are on constant or 15 minute suicide checks.
The only incident that occurred prior to my retirement pertaining to an inmate in that suit/gown was this:

One of the close custody units has 2 metal bunks in each cell, 1 bunk on the bottom and 1 on top of it. Due to the overcrowding in the solitary unit, the inmate was placed in the gown with the blanket in that unit.

The inmate climbed on the top bunk and did a headfirst dive off from it.
Yes, he lived, but those Anti-Suicide certainly do their job as far as preventing inmates from committing suicide where I was employed. No one succeeded in using the suit or blanket to harm themselves. They could not even put a hole in it with their teeth.

When a person enters the facility, Booking is where they are deposited. Everyone is on Security/Mental health 15 minute checks until they are booked, placed in a unit and seen by the facility mental health professional, also reviewed by the Superintendent and the STG. They determine if the inmate stays on checks or could be taken off. Only they can determine if the inmate can come off checks or stay on.

Sorry for the long post, I could go into much more but under the weather today and also do not want to bore you with long posts lol.

Respect to you cottonweaver,
Thora_Jay

Edited put in the word where lol

 

[PawneeDew]

I imagine he'll do everything he can to be thought of as needing psychiatric care.

To you psychology-oriented posters: could a poi like BCK, with a bachelors' in psych, plus whatever he learned getting his masters' and with one semester of course work towards a PhD in Criminology, criminal behavior, could he have learned enough to know how to fake the tests they will give him? Fool the test administers into thinking he is not well mentally?

Absolutely, in my opinion.