ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 46

[AngTxGal]

Totally disagree. If there had been any significant claw or scratch mark, it would not look like there had been no evidence of it at all 5 weeks ago. Something would still be apparent.

If BCK has been teaching classes and on campus at WSU he would have been Seen.
It would not be hard to ask his classmates, prof, students-

Did he have scratches on his face, or neck mid November?

They are taking CJ classes, are grad students in CJ, or are profs in CJ,
Of all people they would be observant


JMO

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/Angenette5

LaBar said BK recalls being asked whether he knew what was going on and he responded by saying something to the effect of "of course I know what's going on I live 10 minutes from this." Then, BK asked for a lawyer

 

[isabella88]

OK, sounds like they will be allowed to film BK arriving via transport to the courthouse and the Court did NOT grant expanded media coverage INSIDE the courtroom. (Per PA Rule 1910 previously linked).

I thought that sounded too good to be true.

So perp walk only.

 

[otto]

Indeed, hopefully we will find out.

I certainly wouldn't describe myself as having a good awareness of forensics and I don't watch forensics TV shows.
However, having read a lot of WS posts on this case, I wouldn't be surprised if there are members on WS who have a greater knowledge of forensics than BK might have gained over those 5 years.

Also, somebody posted a list of all the modules that BK would have studied as part of his DeSales programmes but it would be very hard to re-find that post now.

I was curious and looked for it.

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Students are required to take 6 core courses and 4 electives. These are the core courses for combined bachelor/masters

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

I wonder if that is BK's goal? JMHO

Nah.

But hers, for sure. I'll bet she spent this weekend making an outline.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Sorry I missed that. Why would that happen? Link?
TIA

A number of the articles that have been linked here explain two bankruptcies...

 

[Sassafrass]

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I actually love DM, all their poor reporting and poor use of the English language notwithstanding; while they get a billion things wrong, they often have a nugget. However, you cannot read them - or any source that might have come forward with this kind of account - without using your brain. They often get early scoops, but they don't care about provenance of later information, especially "first-hand accounts" concerning hot topics.

This story reads like a complete pack of garbage. I put it at 0% credibility. The person supposedly interviewed describes a rollicking, belligerent loudmouth, or a complete nutter. Neither of those bears any resemblance to anything seen or described about the person in custody for the Idaho murders.

Being "MSM" or an "accepted source" on a website does not mean infallibility; nor does being one of those suggest untrustworthiness. Use context.

 

[Seattle1]

Do they have separate blocks for just regular jail?

I know nothing about Monroe County, PA, and can speak only from personal experience when I was told that the female co-suspect in my robbery case was released because there were insufficient FEMALE beds in our county jail.

 

[ilovewings]

I actually love DM, all their poor reporting and poor use of the English language notwithstanding; while they get a billion things wrong, they often have a nugget. However, you cannot read them - or any source that might have come forward with this kind of account - without using your brain. They often get early scoops, but they don't care about provenance of later information, especially "first-hand accounts" concerning hot topics.

This story reads like a complete pack of garbage. I put it at 0% credibility. The person supposedly interviewed describes a rollicking, belligerent loudmouth, or a complete nutter. Neither of those bears any resemblance to anything seen or described about the person in custody for the Idaho murders.

Being "MSM" or an "accepted source" on a website does not mean infallibility; nor does being one of those suggest untrustworthiness. Use context.

Great post!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Since Dr. Ramsland reportedly taught BK, once this is all over I'd be really interested to hear what she has to say. It would not surprise me if the end result is a book.

fir shore.

 

[DizzyB]

There was a lot of speculation, at least on the previous thread, about BK's degree, seeking a PhD, and what the particulars of him moving to WA state to pursue it might mean.

It's very normal to first receive a master's degree, as PhD programs are usually fully funded and highly competitive. Applicants usually seek out a terminal MA to strengthen their foundation and future professional / academic pursuits. This is extremely common, especially for non-traditional students who may have taken several years between degrees or students who attended a non-prestigious institution for their undergrad or MA degree (I say this with affection holding many degrees from non-Ivy institutions, it's just the facts).

I don't think there's anything unusual about BK going straight from an MA degree from a local institution (it's also, FWIW, the same school he received his Bachelor's from) to a PhD program across the country -- you go wherever you get in. I am not in the field of Criminology, but it's very common for PhD students to have moved across the country to attend whatever school (sometimes the only school) they got into, and it's also fairly normal to receive a master's degree from another institution before pursuing a funded PhD elsewhere.

I want to know what he did between high school and community college.

 

[Palinsmom]

I can tell you right now of a young man who repeatedly threatened his parents' lives, and his sister's life. He threatened to kill them in their sleep. To burn the house down with them in it. He threatened (in school) to get a gun and kill everyone on his school bus. He was in and out of juvenile repeatedly. He was sent to a string of therapists, put on different medications. The parents did absolutely everything they could do. Therapists, regular punishment, you name it. The final straw didn't come until he head-butted his mother in the face and threatened to kill her while she was on the phone with 911. The courts finally sent him to some program and he has to earn his way home. The judge finally told him that it wasn't his mother or his father, or his school. The problem was HIM. I am convinced he will either kill someone or someone will kill him before he's 20. Sometimes people are just born with their wiring messed up.

I know exactly what you are talking about. I’ve spent the last decade working with students from K-12 some have IEPs others have Behavior Plans. 99.9% of them go on to become adults who live within expected norms. Having said that there have been at least 2 over the years that I mentioned to co-workers that ‘some day we will see that individual on the news’ and not for a good reason. Only time will tell.
Parents do what they can, these children are in programs to help them become the best that they can be, but as you stated, there are a few that no matter what anyone does they are just ‘who they are’ and nothing can or will change them

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I hear Idaho, I envision Nate Eaton chasing a plane on the tarmac.

Referring to the Daybell case.

JMO

ha ha CSI...luv ya!!! We do know how we LOVE Nate with our Daybell case....
I would be THRILLED to see him get involved here!!!!

 

[britinsussex]

As someone (BSN, RN, MS in Public Health) who worked in the addiction field for years, experts have long indicated that substance abuse can stunt emotions and cause enormous difficulties for individuals transitioning into adulthood. As a result, the brain becomes stuck at the same level of maturity it was when drug use began, a term known as “arrested development.” Stunted brain growth can also lead to certain developmental problems, such as the inability to make decisions, a lower ability to assess consequences, and a predilection towards risky, impulsive behaviour. (Just my 2 cents.)

 

[LAHOLLA]

My post here






Thank you @LAHOLLA, but you missed where I stated that the Marshals arrive unannounced and also that the person would still be on our headcount until cleared by the Marshals when they reached their final destination.


"Any person that has been transported in that manner, we kept them on headcount until we were cleared by the U.S. Marshals to drop them. That is to ensure that no one can check the facility headcount and see that they are no longer on the headcount and en route to the final destination.

The Marshals would arrive in Booking unannounced(very first place hit after entering the secured garage).
They would then present the custody paperwork to the Booking Officer. The Supervisor on duty would be summoned to verify the paperwork."

I didn't miss any of that . I was agreeing with you on how covert movement is for any inmate- let alone a quad murder suspect.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I’m calling bs…doesn’t fit his profile.

Not sure what his profile is, at this point, though IMO it should include some lack of control of his actions in public, as described in these MSM articles:

Ex-friend says Idaho murders suspect was 'down to earth' but 'turned aggressive'

"Mcloughlin attended high school and vocational school with Kohberger and described him as once “down to earth”.

However, at the start of senior year Kohberger was “thinner than a rail” and turned “aggressive", according to Mcloughlin.

He told The Daily Beast Kohberger picked up boxing as a new hobby and was always "bullying" people.

Mcloughlin said: "He always wanted to fight somebody, he was bullying people."

Everything revealed about Bryan Kohberger, suspect in the Idaho college murders, since his arrest

"When Kohberger had been overweight, he was bullied. But after the weight loss, he went from victim to aggressor, they said."

... {...} ....

"A brewery owner in Pennsylvania said the accused murderer would harass women at his bar.

Kohberger usually sat alone “observing and watching” other patrons at the Seven Sirens Brewing Company — until he started drinking, owner Jordan Serulneck, 34, told NBC News.

His behavior caused enough concern for staff to put a note in the company system about him.

“Staff put in there: ‘Hey, this guy makes creepy comments, keep an eye on him.’ He’ll have two or three beers and then just get a little too comfortable,” Serulneck said.

Kohberger would ask female staff and customers who they were with and where they lived, the owner said. If the women weren’t interested, “he would get upset with them a little bit.”

Seruneck said he was forced to confront Kohberger after he called an employee a “” when she didn’t respond to his creepy questions.

“I went up to him, and I said, ‘Hey Bryan … I just wanted to talk to you real quick and make sure that you’re going to be respectful this time and we’re not going to have any issues,’” the owner recounted. “He was shocked that I was saying that, and he said, ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about. You totally have me confused.’” "

 

[Cool Cats]

I understand that people have opinions and want to express them. That's to be expected.

I'm struggling with how to express what I'm feeling. I'm still trying to flesh this out into a cogent linear thought, but I guess I'm just viscerally uncomfortable with the salacious gossipy nature of the news stories I've seen. It seems like everyone who Bryan Kohberger ever interacted with is coming forward to tell the world what a quiet, creepy, socially awkward, angry introvert he is. I haven't thought through every possible consequences, but I'm troubled by the possibilities.

Getting all the details about him helps the prosecution. They need people to come forward, then they can interview individuals and it helps build their Case against him.

Idaho Murders Suspect Made One Huge Mistake, Expert Says

Monroe County Correctional Facility/ReutersWhen police on Friday arrested quadruple murder suspect Bryan Christopher Kohberger, his post-graduate-level studies in criminology quickly became a subject of intense focus.But while one ex-cop and criminology professor who writes textbooks on how to...

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“Someone asked, ‘Are you worried about making better criminals?’” Prof. Joseph Giacalone, a retired NYPD detective sergeant who now teaches at New York City’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, told The Daily Beast. “It’s always a concern, you always have that in the back of your mind. But [Kohberger] is behind bars right now. So, maybe he wasn’t as good a student as everybody thought.”

During his junior year in high school, Kohberger got teased for being overweight, one acquaintance said, recalling that Kohberger showed up the following year “thinner than a rail” and looking for a fight. The former friend, 26-year-old Nick Mcloughlin, said he was at a loss to explain why Kohberger had become, in his words, “100 percent a different person.”

These sorts of details are not only of interest to “true crime” buffs but will also be vitally important to investigators and prosecutors, according to Giacalone, who spent more than 20 years in various positions with the NYPD, including a stint as commanding officer of the Bronx Cold Case Squad.

“I’d want to know what he was like during Thanksgiving weekend, was he sketchy, was he withdrawn, did he spend time in his room?” Giacalone said. “Is he normally outgoing, but he didn’t want to be bothered by anybody when he came home? It’s not necessarily evidence of a crime, but it’s information that helps them support their case.”

Although the families of the Idaho victims say they are heartened by Kohberger’s capture, the case against him “doesn’t end with [the] arrest,” Giacalone emphasized.

“You have to follow this thing through to the prosecution,” he said. “Maybe someone saw him with a knife at some point, maybe family and friends saw a change in him, maybe there was an unexplained injury that now makes more sense. All these things need to be looked into, to make the case better.”

“If somebody like this was really a student of criminal justice and criminology, then he would understand certain things like Locard’s Exchange Principle,” Giacalone told The Daily Beast, referring to the time-tested forensic theory that “every contact leaves a trace.”

“It shows you the arrogance of people like him, where he thinks he’s smarter than the cops because he read something in a book,” Giacalone continued. “At the end of the day, experience trumps academics every day of the week and twice on Sunday.”

 

[r3d-ros3]

I want to know what he did between high school and community college.

Agree. I'm curious about this, too.

 

[Boxer]

He's going to get a psych evaluation either way just because of the nature of the crimes. His lawyer already said that. I just doubt someone that has from all other accounts acted pretty cold and normal since the date of the murder (which is scary enough?) is going to suddenly make incriminating statements despite having a lawyer who presumably told him not to talk to anyone!

His mental condition will make zero impact on his trial.
Not allowed.And rightly so, people suffering from MH do not
murder at a greater rate.
It’s not about MH, it’s about criminal thinking and so intent.

If he is insensible to the degree he cannot understand proceedings he will be sent to a prison MH facility to be “restored” and when he is able to comprehend for instance, what the judge is asking him, then they will proceed with the trial.
His possible diagnosis might be able to influence sentencing but that is all.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Informative. Thank you.