ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 48

[rsd1200]

The code referenced in the first part about Guide is in reference to communications, the same way LE could get a warrant for your user history on this site (very general example).

18 U.S. Code § 2703 - Required disclosure of customer communications or records

www.law.cornell.edu

The Guide specifically states (BBM):

Use of the 23andMe Personal Genetic Service for casework and other criminal investigations falls outside the scope of our services intended use.

With respect to user information, while our Terms of Service (TOS) requires that participants provide 23andMe with true and accurate Registration Information, 23andMe cannot precisely authenticate or verify an individual’s identity when they use or sign up for our service, and thus does not have the means to reliably connect any particular DNA sample or account to an individual. This means that 23andMe Personal Genetic Service has no chain of custody and is not considered a confirmatory test or proof in a legal context.

After the first few years of genetic genealogy, laws were passed to protect individual privacy. The main database is now GEDMatch and users must now "opt-in" to share their DNA with LE. The only concern you should have, is if your daughter follows this process. Otherwise, your son is free and clear (so to speak)...privacy protected.

If you don't opt-in, you don't see matches either do you? As I said, I've never been tempted to turn over my DNA, but without opting in, what's the point?

It is the DailyMail but this article is very interesting;

"Only two commercial genetic genealogy websites allow police to openly search their records. They are GEDMatch.com and Family Tree DNA. When someone submits their data by requesting a DNA testing kit, they have the option to opt in or out of the search results.

In most criminal cases, she said the suspect who is eventually identified has likely never met most of the people he or she shares DNA with. 'You get a match-list that will have hundreds or even thousands of people on it and most will only share tiny amounts of DNA.

'You're really hoping for a second cousin, but probably in this case they were working with third, fourth and fifth cousins.
'Sometimes you get lucky and it's a first cousin or even a sibling or parent, but it's very rare. "

How Idaho cops used genetic genealogy to trace Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger was arrested through DNA found at the scene, that police ran through a public genetic genealogy site where they found distant relatives - likely a third, fourth or fifth cousin.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[KR72]

I don't know about you guys, but if I'd just committed mass murder, I'd be doing anything/everything possible not to draw any attention to myself.

BK speeding and following a truck too closely seems even more reckless than usual considering. Either he's very arrogant and/or incredibly reckless imo.

 

[branmuffin]

Agreed . ^^^

Thankful as always that there are the two survivors !!!!!
They can tell -- and may be called to testify -- that he was not a visitor there at the house (assuming, as there's no social links afaik ?) , and thus his dna shouldn't have been there ?
How is his defense going to work around this one ?
I'm sorry for how this has and will continue to impact their lives.
I'm grateful for my own life that had some speed bumps, but was completely uneventful crime-wise ; what a burden these young people have to carry !
Hope the pain will ease a bit for them as this case moves forward.

Do you remember the noise complaint body cam in August during a LE visit when no one who actually lived at the home was in attendance? If those types of parties regularly occurred it's very possible that he may have been in the home and they'd never know.

 

[layer]

Genetic genealogy must have made amazing advancements in just the last year or so in order to be able to help find a match in this case so quickly. I mean, seriously, wasn't it just like a couple of years ago that blonde lady (sorry can't think of her name) told us it took months in most cases to find matches, sometimes years? This match was made in a few weeks. That's simply amazing, imo and should make current/future criminals terrified because the game may be about to change completely.

We really don't know if the reporting from unnamed sources is accurate. Familial DNA may have played no role in the investigation. We might get a better idea ater we get a look at the PCA, or maybe not.

Regardless, DNA technology in general, and familial DNA specifically, has come a long way in just a few years.

JMHO

 

[eloquence]

Most likely the same type (combinations of stalking, burglary & murder), and he wasn't caught before, IMO. And he's worked his way up to this quadruple murder that I think he barely pulled off (I think he had to subdue the victims somehow on top of stabbing them in their beds/while sleeping), and thought he was unstoppable {ETA because he had gotten away with other crimes & was emboldened by his track record}. Several links have been posted here since his arrest by other posters to MSM articles about unsolved crimes (middle of the night knife attacks & missing women) that ring true for this "alleged" killer to have "practiced" on before he got to this level of depravity, IMOO

Interesting ideas, but imo the level of evidence he left makes me think this was his first murder. I’m sure some stalking or harassment along the way, some of which have already been reported in the media.

The two cases you mentioned at least that I’ve seen linked, one was ruled out and one was many hours away when he was a junior in high school.. seems unlikely

I don’t think this guy is sophisticated enough to have gotten away with prior murders for any real length of time. In this day and age DNA, video, cell pings etc make that extremely difficult.

 

[cheetostock]

No, that's not what I said. I did not suggest that he would have to be hysterical. But I do believe most people would be so baffled by the fact that they were arrested for something that they did not do, that they would be freaking out. I said that his behavior is unusual for a truly innocent person. Shutting down is odd. MOO. And I'm entitled to my opinion.

Not everyone “freaks out” visibly. Thankfully we don’t convict people based off of how we think they should act. Reacting differently from how we’d react shouldn’t presume guilt. My opinion, that I’m entitled to, of course.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I'd think there would have to be a separate hearing for the probable cause affidavit. They can't just role it into that order. Or maybe they can?

Most likely. I may have wrongly conflated the gag order & the release of the PCA as being covered by the same order.

I posted an article that poses the same question:

Re: Gag Order & Unsealing of PCA

New Gag Order Bars Cops From Sharing Info on Idaho Murders

The unusual non-dissemination order prevents investigators, police, and attorneys on either side from discussing or commenting on the case publicly.

www.thedailybeast.com

The court order from Latah County Magistrate Judge Megan Marshall bars the sharing of any new information on the investigation or suspect, Bryan Kohberger, before a verdict is reached. Marshall’s ruling stipulates that authorities are allowed to quote from or refer to “the public record” without further comment, though it remains unclear when or whether relevant documents in the case, such as its probable cause affidavit, will be unsealed according to a traditional timeline. It was previously expected to be released after Kohberger and the four first-degree murder charges against him were entered in Idaho court. The sweeping gag order was given hours after Kohberger, 28, formally waived extradition in a Pennsylvania court, clearing the way for him to be transported back to Idaho.

 

[agilbe]

So someone who isn’t hysterical and crying must be guilty? Come on. Shutting down is an exceptionally common reaction to situations like this.

I got to thinking about some of the interviews with serial killers or murderers I have seen. Admittedly I have not seen a lot of them. But it seems like Christensen, Gacy, Dahmer, Rader and Bundy were all pretty calm. I'm thinking those that did cry and behave hysterically are the ones who perhaps felt remorse for what they had done. The others not so much. JMO

 

[Boodles]

I bet he’s on a flight to Idaho right now. And I’m totally speculating and have no info to support this hunch.

 

[Zella]

I don't know about you guys, but if I'd just committed mass murder, I'd be doing anything/everything possible not to draw any attention to myself.

BK speeding and following a truck too closely seems even more reckless than usual considering. Either he's very arrogant and/or incredibly reckless imo.

IMO it fits the brazenness of the crime. I agree it seems reckless to do that when you've committed 4 murders, but there's also a certain recklessness in going into a house (possibly one you've never been in before) and stabbing 4 people in their sleep to begin with. A more cautious killer wouldn't have done that because there are too many unknown variables at work there, like unknown number of people in the house, being unfamiliar with the layout, etc.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

No, that's not what I said. I did not suggest that he would have to be hysterical. But I do believe most people would be so baffled by the fact that they were arrested for something that they did not do, that they would be freaking out. I said that his behavior is unusual for a truly innocent person. Shutting down is odd. MOO. And I'm entitled to my opinion.

I dunno about that. If SWAT broke into my house in the middle of the night, terrified my family, broke down the door, arrested me, and told me I was wanted for murdering 4 people, I can imagine the shock would shut down some people. I also wonder if the intimidating presence of police, FBI, and jail personnel would make freaking out the wrong thing to do.

 

[YepperBepper]

I don't know about you guys, but if I'd just committed mass murder, I'd be doing anything/everything possible not to draw any attention to myself.

BK speeding and following a truck too closely seems even more reckless than usual considering. Either he's very arrogant and/or incredibly reckless imo.

One would think he'd be more careful.

Bundy got caught in Florida by a traffic cop. Ted was smoking dope and cruising around with his headlights off. Strange.

 

[eloquence]

Do you remember the noise complaint body cam in August during a LE visit when no one who actually lived at the home was in attendance? If those types of parties regularly occurred it's very possible that he may have been in the home and they'd never know.

The very first person who opened the door was a resident, but said they were not because they were underage. They obviously didn’t want to get in trouble for supplying alcohol to minors/being a minor. Even the two boys who came to the door were not being truthful about who lived there or if they knew them. IMO, more of the residents could have been home but also underage.

IMO BK would have stood out like a sore thumb among the young 20s Greek life set. These didn’t seem like crazy, packed to the gills ragers, just a 10-20 person pregame with extremely loud music. Perhaps he could have slipped through an unlocked door but I doubt he was able to masquerade as a partygoer

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Perhaps, but I still see it as odd because most people who are truly innocent would behave differently.

Posters keep saying this, but I haven't yet seen any evidence/citation of it. It's important because in my professional experience, it's exactly the opposite. Emotional avoidance is a well-recognized trauma response, as is social withdrawal. The entire phenomenon of dissociation is built on the theory that the brain shuts down during traumatic stress.

I'm not saying any of the above applies to the mother. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. We don't know. But if she's putting up barriers and boundaries, that is very much in line with how a person under stress might react.

Maybe she just feels that the press will smear her son's name and he won't have a fair trial and the last thing she wants to do is allow them to put her picture all over the place for clicks and likes. The point is to paint everyone with the same brush and assume that if they're not standing tall with their mug in a TV camera means they knew, is wrong, IMO.

Some of the above is MOO (mom's response, what she may be thinking) and the rest is based on my expertise.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Does anybody know how to do FlightRadar 24 replays? I've seen some on twitter for the days before the arrest, but not by MSM. They show planes circling right above his parent's house for hours.

The one I saw was for Dec 29 UTC -6:00.

I am also interested in this question.
JME, from living near an international airport. If the Kohberger's house is on or near a flight path, there would be a lot of activity in general. If LE used aerial surveillance, it would not have aroused much suspicion in the household.

 

[elainebenice]

If he had a sibling or parent on GedMatch, it only takes a few minutes!

Many cases still sit there and sit there due to lack of matches. Doe DNA Project keeps a spreadsheet. Some of their cases have been sitting there for years. It's all about who has their DNA uploaded. DNA Doe Project Public Cases.xlsx

Sure, but obviously that hasn't been the case for the vast majority of cases. However, each day more DNA gets uploaded so the pool is growing exponentially. Hopefully, a lot of DNA in old cases are starting to be run through GedMatch, but I have a feeling that's not happening in the majority of departments.

 

[Jcbjlt]

Gaggiinggggg on the medical link, but good on ya! If the killer did not expect, prepare for how hard Kaylee fought... he may very well have needed medical help and stitches. He does look battered. Well deserved.

Sutures are not typically placed on wounds that have been present for more than 24 hours. Also simple sutures, even on joints, are not usually left in more than 14 days. If no sutures were placed the scar will be significantly larger and more prominant. ED NP

 

[cheetostock]

I got to thinking about some of the interviews with serial killers or murderers I have seen. Admittedly I have not seen a lot of them. But it seems like Christensen, Gacy, Dahmer, Rader and Bundy were all pretty calm. I'm thinking those that did cry and behave hysterically are the ones who perhaps felt remorse for what they had done. The others not so much. JMO

I show very little emotion. Both on the happy side and the sad side. I’d hate for someone to condemn me because of it.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I don't know about you guys, but if I'd just committed mass murder, I'd be doing anything/everything possible not to draw any attention to myself.

BK speeding and following a truck too closely seems even more reckless than usual considering. Either he's very arrogant and/or incredibly reckless imo.

Maybe Dad was the one speeding? Not sure we know who was driving then?

 

[runnergirl9]

If I were wrongly accused/arrested I would not cry I would be pretty pissed off and ready to fight for my innocence but that may be because I have a strong personality. I would lawyer up and get the ball rolling. I would want to know what the heck was going on, and what evidence they have. I would never approach the situation as being helpless, mentally for me that is not an option. Not everyone reacts the same depending on what kind of coping mechanisms they have. I may be upset about accusations but crying will get me nowhere in a situation where my freedom is on the line.

FYI - crying does not suggest someone is helpless. It is a normal initial reaction to being accused of something you did not do.