ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 48

[YepperBepper]

I dunno about that. If SWAT broke into my house in the middle of the night, terrified my family, broke down the door, arrested me, and told me I was wanted for murdering 4 people, I can imagine the shock would shut down some people. I also wonder if the intimidating presence of police, FBI, and jail personnel would make freaking out the wrong thing to do.

If someone broke my windows and kicked my door in at 3 am....there may be gunfire. I am NOT a fan of no knock warrants. I'm sure there are differing opinions....and I respect that.

 

[Bhodie]

Alsolutely. We're not thinking along different lines. Power is at the centre of most/all crimes against other people and a lot of things that we do. By 'mastermind' I was referring to his perception of power and satisfaction in planning and carrying this out, along with others saying that he always had to (paraphrased) feel like the smartest person in the room.

But I don't see a person's feeling of power in only having an external locus of control, thus having to dominate others, as valid - to me that's pathetic. True power is in mastering yourself and using that to better the world around you.

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I don't know about you guys, but if I'd just committed mass murder, I'd be doing anything/everything possible not to draw any attention to myself.

BK speeding and following a truck too closely seems even more reckless than usual considering. Either he's very arrogant and/or incredibly reckless imo.

Ok only about the speeding part, have you ever been listening to a good song and just found yourself really cruising along not even realizing you are speeding? I've done it often, unfortunately

 

[Ragnarok]

Genetic genealogy must have made amazing advancements in just the last year or so in order to be able to help find a match in this case so quickly. I mean, seriously, wasn't it just like a couple of years ago that blonde lady (sorry can't think of her name) told us it took months in most cases to find matches, sometimes years? This match was made in a few weeks. That's simply amazing, imo and should make current/future criminals terrified because the game may be about to change completely.

How Your Family Tree Could Catch a Killer

Genetic genealogists like CeCe Moore are cracking cold cases and transforming policing. As DNA analysis redefines ancestry and anonymity, what knowledge should we be permitted to unlock?

www.newyorker.com

 

[agilbe]

Do you remember the noise complaint body cam in August during a LE visit when no one who actually lived at the home was in attendance? If those types of parties regularly occurred it's very possible that he may have been in the home and they'd never know.

And of course he just happened to cut himself while he was there. Just his bad luck. Yeah I wondered about that when I heard it was a party house.

 

[branmuffin]

Defiant isn't the first word that came to my mind

Have you ever paused a movie or a gameshow and happened to catch the actor looking like they are stoned out of their minds, blind drunk, comatose or missing more than a few brain cells? I find it difficult to gauge someone's state of mind based on that screen grab. Although I'm sure he was in a heightened state of anxiety after already being stopped.

 

[TooMuchGun]

If you don't opt-in, you don't see matches either do you? As I said, I've never been tempted to turn over my DNA, but without opting in, what's the point?

It is the DailyMail but this article is very interesting;

"Only two commercial genetic genealogy websites allow police to openly search their records. They are GEDMatch.com and Family Tree DNA. When someone submits their data by requesting a DNA testing kit, they have the option to opt in or out of the search results.

In most criminal cases, she said the suspect who is eventually identified has likely never met most of the people he or she shares DNA with. 'You get a match-list that will have hundreds or even thousands of people on it and most will only share tiny amounts of DNA.

'You're really hoping for a second cousin, but probably in this case they were working with third, fourth and fifth cousins.
'Sometimes you get lucky and it's a first cousin or even a sibling or parent, but it's very rare. "

How Idaho cops used genetic genealogy to trace Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger was arrested through DNA found at the scene, that police ran through a public genetic genealogy site where they found distant relatives - likely a third, fourth or fifth cousin.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ur talking about CeCe Moore right? Her interviews are the best. She shared great info
think I remember her saying the 1st cousin match is a homerun cuz they only need grandparents. Very informative always.

 

[rsd1200]

@CLGM Yes, that was in the article I posted. I read it prior to posting.

 

[Friday Fan]

If you don't opt-in, you don't see matches either do you? As I said, I've never been tempted to turn over my DNA, but without opting in, what's the point?

It is the DailyMail but this article is very interesting;

"Only two commercial genetic genealogy websites allow police to openly search their records. They are GEDMatch.com and Family Tree DNA. When someone submits their data by requesting a DNA testing kit, they have the option to opt in or out of the search results.

In most criminal cases, she said the suspect who is eventually identified has likely never met most of the people he or she shares DNA with. 'You get a match-list that will have hundreds or even thousands of people on it and most will only share tiny amounts of DNA.

'You're really hoping for a second cousin, but probably in this case they were working with third, fourth and fifth cousins.
'Sometimes you get lucky and it's a first cousin or even a sibling or parent, but it's very rare. "

How Idaho cops used genetic genealogy to trace Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger was arrested through DNA found at the scene, that police ran through a public genetic genealogy site where they found distant relatives - likely a third, fourth or fifth cousin.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You see matches whether you opt in or not!! I opted out for a few years because gedmatch violated it's own TOS and was still able to see all my matches.

Some people have reported seeing "funky" matches. However, I think investigators can hide their profiles, so others can't see them, so I take those reports with a grain of salt.

Can you imagine BK's family logging on and seeing some funky numbers and colors with a DNA match? I think not!

 

[XtremeScorpio]

May I ask, in your experience, have you ever seen tactics like that used in a very high-profile, potentially dangerous case where they only wanted surveillance and not apprehension? It seems like a huge risk with no real reward.

Getting pulled over twice seems like a big coincidence, but when you look at the number of miles driven and the propensity to drive faster on long highway trips, it seems realistic. There was a time when my ex-husband received so many tickets he nearly lost his license. I was convinced he was the worlds worst driver. Then I looked at how many miles he drove over that two year period and while he did have a bit of a lead foot, it was statistically normal.

I have absolutely no experience in that. I did just ask my son and he said that when someone is being surveilled, patrol officers aren't even aware of it, so it's unlikely that 2 patrol officers pulling BK over within a short time between each one was part of anything to do with surveillance.

But LE is different everywhere. Where something like that is not how things are done here in AZ, agencies elsewhere might do it.

3 weeks after graduating from the academy, my son responded to a DV call. As he walked back to his cruiser to retrieve something, a guy frantically ran past him. A few seconds later, same guy turned around and grabbed for something in his waste. My son then heard yelling from "some guys wearing black t-shirts" a ways behind him, followed by shooting. The t-shirt guys were plain clothes Drug Enforcement (local, not federal) and the guy they shot down was a dealer they were conducting surveillance on. My son had no idea they were there - but why would he, he was a patrol officer - and almost got caught in the crossfire. Instead, he acted quickly and the guy ended up living (he took 6 shots to his lower body).

 

[Curious Me]

Creepy Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger whispers 'I love you' as he is cleared for extradition

Thanks for posting this link, @arielilane. I didn't know he has two sisters, not just the one. MOO, I don't think creepy is the correct word in that he sent his Family a message he loved them. I think the word should be "callous" because he obviously has no idea how much damage he did to his own family and the shame he cast over them. I understand it's not the same as the murdered victims families grief, but... There's no getting over it for his family either. Sure, they can visit him, but it won't be a fun treat. Their health may be affected. They're probably horrified by the acts. If proven that he did these crimes, he certainly didn't think about his family. They are victims too. ALL MOO​

Creepy Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger whispers ‘I love you’ as he is cleared for extradition

Accused Idaho college killer Bryan Kohberger said “I love you” to his family as he agreed to be extradited from Pennsylvania to Idaho in his first court hearing.

nypost.com

 

[agilbe]

I show very little emotion. Both on the happy side and the sad side. I’d hate for someone to condemn me because of it.

Oh wow. I don't want to play poker with you!! Too many variables to predict from their demeanor guilt or innocence. Your comment just got me to thinking. JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

FYI - crying does not suggest someone is helpless. It is a normal initial reaction to being accused of something you did not do.

True, but IMO, we should remember that not crying also doesn't suggest someone is guilty. It, too, can be a normal initial reaction to being accused of something you didn't do. We can't paint everyone with the same brush. We all react differently to different scenarios.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

If someone broke my windows and kicked my door in at 3 am....there may be gunfire. I am NOT a fan of no knock warrants. I'm sure there are differing opinions....and I respect that.

Same. I think they're dangerous and they traumatize others in the home who may be innocent. JMO.

 

[rsd1200]

Ur talking about CeCe Moore right? Her interviews are the best. She shared great info
think I remember her saying the 1st cousin match is a homerun cuz they only need grandparents. Very informative always.

Yes, excellent information.

From the article;

"CeCe Moore, Chief Genetic Genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs and the founder of DNA Detectives, who has helped law enforcement solve more than 240 crimes, did not work on the case but is widely considered to be the most authoritative expert in the industry. "

How Idaho cops used genetic genealogy to trace Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger was arrested through DNA found at the scene, that police ran through a public genetic genealogy site where they found distant relatives - likely a third, fourth or fifth cousin.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[kbckcern22]

I think this is the first ever in my WS history I wasn’t on for less than 24 hours and missed a whole freaking thread!!!! Lol!! I’ll be playing catch-up bud still happy we are moving in the right direction for E, X, K & M!

 

[Seattle1]

The fact that the father mentioned something about the murders to the cop tells me that his father was expressing concern for HIS SON’S safety in light of the murders, as any parent would do, and shows that his father was in the dark insofar as even considering that his son BK may have been the perpetrator.

I thought it odd to bring up the murders and relistened: Dad was talking about shooting at WSU campus housing the night before the traffic stop.

In the traffic stop bodycam footage by the Indiana State Trooper, BK's dad makes reference to a shooting at WSU. It seemed such an odd comment to me until I found that this actually happened the night before (12/14 ) the traffic stop on 12/15.

SWAT team shot a 30 yr old threatening his roommates near campus housing.

Who monitors WA news when driving cross country?

Probably somebody interested in any breaks on his quadruple murder case!

Suspect shot, killed in SWAT standoff near WSU campus after threatening to kill roommates

Washington State University alerted students on the south side of campus to shelter in place early Thursday morning because of a SWAT situation.

www.krem.com

ETA: Do we know BT's campus apartment address and if he lived near Latah Street, across State Route 270 from the WSU Pullman campus. Wondering if he received a text from WSU security about sheltering in place.

 

[wary]

So someone who isn’t hysterical and crying must be guilty? Come on. Shutting down is an exceptionally common reaction to situations like this.

I feel quite confident that if I were dragged out of bed by a SWAT team, in the middle of the night, and arrested for a quadruple murder, I’d be stunned and silent. Seriously.

Editing to add: and I mean, if I were innocent.

 

[Friday Fan]

Sure, but obviously that hasn't been the case for the vast majority of cases. However, each day more DNA gets uploaded so the pool is growing exponentially. Hopefully, a lot of DNA in old cases are starting to be run through GedMatch, but I have a feeling that's not happening in the majority of departments.

Many Does come from lower income families and those families just aren't into the DNA thing. Some minority groups also aren't into it. It's all about who participates.

Also many criminals and their families come from lower income families.

If you look at BK's parent's house, they do not appear to be low income.

 

[Muddy K]

From this link: (hopefully I did this right)
IIRC the PA LE stops were between 12/13-16 timeframe. It appears the swelling isn’t as prominent and the knuckles look ok too?

IMO JMO, another thing to consider is plain old gravity. He'd been in cuffs for hours, with those cuffs further clipped to a body belt. That severely limited - intentionally, of course - his range of motion, prevented him from raising his arms, scratching his nose, etc. Extremities can swell when confined to near motionlessness for hours. I didn't note any injuries on his hands or wrists in today's photographs. If anything, I saw refractive tinting on both from the vivid red prison garb he was wearing.

One less day now to wait for his return to Idaho and the commencement of the judicial proceedings.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I would prefer the words "criminal defendant," He's no longer a suspect or a POI.

He has been formally charged by the People of Idaho in the murders of four people, all at one time.

"Just a suspect" he's not. He's a criminal defendant. And it looks like he will remain so for months to come, until a verdict is rendered. He's now in the dark shadow and the long arm of the law. He's not merely a suspect.

He has been arrested and will be charged and formally arraigned in the next couple of weeks. He has lost liberty and will not get it back unless and until charges are dropped or he goes through trial or plea bargaining. There's no more serious legal state that an (American) human can be in, legally,

Whether he murdered four people or not will be determined by a jury of his peers or actions by the court. In the meantime, he's a criminal defendant in a very very serious criminal matter. An historic criminal matter, esp. from the POV of younger people.

I agree. He’d also be known as the accused?

As I understand police procedure, a POI or suspect is brought in for questioning, the status changes once he’s arrested and read the Miranda rights. JMO