ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

[isabella88]

The slider would seem to be the best way to enter and exit the house with out being seen. I agree the killer most likely knew the layout of the house.

What are your thoughts on the killer possibly being a guest at the house?

 

[Jallisons]

i'd be interested to know if he was ever crated at night which could explain a lack of blood/evidence on him and not necessarily because the perp took the time to let him out

Yes, really curious about this.

 

[Operationcatchthug]

If the police knew that it's a revenge killing they would have already arrested the culprit. In my opinion it's the work of a maniac unknown to the victims.

 

[FruitTingles]

Can anyone give me clarity on the stalker rumor/lead? I was told on here earlier that it is just something Mark Furhrman made up but now LE is looking into it. TIA

In the latest fb update Moscow PD said Kaylee mentioned having a stalker but that their investigation/detectives have not been able to corroborate this statement.

Can read that here: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...VQsgFqBK6l&id=100082550200493&mibextid=qC1gEa

 

[Booksleuth]

New to this, first post. I found WS after madly googling for any additional info on the Moscow murders. I lived there and attended UI, and am having a hard time wrapping my head around it. I know that it isn’t the usual, but this feels more than bungling to me by police. Even the coroner has conflicting statements. I get why they want to keep certain info close, but it doesn’t seem like they even know what they’ve got and how to interpret it.

That 911 call. Seriously so convoluted. Unconscious person, made with a surviving roommates phone but not the surviving roommate? Oh yeah, and there were other people present. Maybe it was a surviving roommate who was unconscious.

It’s targeted but we’re not going to tell you who or what is the target but don’t worry everyone and then walk that back a few days later, you lost the community’s confidence there. If this is a stand alone case, then it sure feels like the target is women, Ethan happened to be there. And if that is the case, half of the population doesn’t need to worry.

Also not searching the woods behind the house for a week? Really?

My profile says white male 18-35, lives alone or with parents. Has hunting or military experience. Is a psychopath. Lives nearby. I think he watched from the woodsy part behind the house, didn’t know the downstairs contained two more bedrooms, methodically went room to room killing, then left on foot back up the hill and possibly cut through the arboretum to a waiting vehicle (car/bike) on Palouse River Drive.

 

[mickey2942]

The slider would seem to be the best way to enter and exit the house with out being seen. I agree the killer most likely knew the layout of the house.

It is creepy to me how easy it is to just go to Zillow, type in an address, and boom...the entire layout of the house, specs, and everything is right there. Down to information about a home alarm or not. I looked up my childhood home the other day. Crazy

 

[isabella88]

In the latest fb update Moscow PD said Kaylee mentioned having a stalker but that their investigation could not corroborate this statement.

Can read that here: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...VQsgFqBK6l&id=100082550200493&mibextid=qC1gEa

Thank you! There's been so much info and this hectic holiday buzz. Happy Thanksgiving if you're celebrating!

 

[FruitTingles]

It is creepy to me how easy it is to just go to Zillow, type in an address, and boom...the entire layout of the house, specs, and everything is right there. Down to information about a home alarm or not. I looked up my childhood home the other day. Crazy

Agreed, I am glad it’s not something you can commonly do in Australia!

 

[Operationcatchthug]

New to this, first post. I found WS after madly googling for any additional info on the Moscow murders. I lived there and attended UI, and am having a hard time wrapping my head around it. I know that it isn’t the usual, but this feels more than bungling to me by police. Even the coroner has conflicting statements. I get why they want to keep certain info close, but it doesn’t seem like they even know what they’ve got and how to interpret it.

That 911 call. Seriously so convoluted. Unconscious person, made with a surviving roommates phone but not the surviving roommate? Oh yeah, and there were other people present. Maybe it was a surviving roommate who was unconscious.

It’s targeted but we’re not going to tell you who or what is the target but don’t worry everyone and then walk that back a few days later, you lost the community’s confidence there. If this is a stand alone case, then it sure feels like the target is women, Ethan happened to be there. And if that is the case, half of the population doesn’t need to worry.

Also not searching the woods behind the house for a week? Really?

My profile says white male 18-35, lives alone or with parents. Has hunting or military experience. Is a psychopath. Lives nearby. I think he watched from the woodsy part behind the house, didn’t know the downstairs contained two more bedrooms, methodically went room to room killing, then left on foot back up the hill and possibly cut through the arboretum to a waiting vehicle (car/bike) on Palouse River Drive.

Agree. It's not an upset dumped boyfriend. <modsnip>

 

[Ghostwheel]

My point was that I think perp let Murphy out. Or as you said, he might have gotten out earlier. But, I dont think he was loose in the house right after the murders, or as they were taking place. Maybe perp let Murphy back in after he did his evil deep if he was found in the house in the morning.

If Murphy was let out but not walked on a leash, one or both of the girls could have let him out and gone upstairs for a bit. Murphy was chased off by the killer who took that opportunity to enter the unlocked, possibly open sliding door and hide. When they came down to let him in, he did not come when called, instigating the phone calls, maybe for help to find the dog. They may have given up, or even passed out depending on intoxication state.

Also possible Murphy was let out, then in (or walked) and the sliding door left unlocked. When killer entered, Murphy went out.

My take was that he was found later on the 13th, the day of the incident. Maybe even that evening.

 

[Missyrocks5]

Have folks heard Ethan‘s parents interview where it sounds like they’re saying their other two kids were there that next day? Did they mean that they were near that house or did they mean they were actually at that house that next day as in the murder scene?

Since LE said there were multiple people that spoke to 911, was it his brother and sister too?And when you hear the other parents saying that they were told by the cops that the scene is sloppy, is that why? Because they were people walking all over the place in that house before the cops got there? And if so, why?

 

[OliviaNewtonJohnFan]

Is there any documented confirmation of the bedroom lock situation? There has been repeated mention of keypad locks on bedroom doors, particularly those of the survivors. Has this been confirmed anywhere? I know several of the victim's family members have confirmed that the First Floor exterior door to the parking lot had a keypad lock, but the Zillow pictures don't show any keypad locks on bedroom doors, which usually have a handle rather than a knob design. Of course, these pictures could be out of date

 

[isabella88]

I think he watched from the woodsy part behind the house, didn’t know the downstairs contained two more bedrooms, methodically went room to room killing, then left on foot back up the hill and possibly cut through the arboretum to a waiting vehicle (car/bike) on Palouse River Drive.

Welcome! Your theory is intriguing, as the layout/design of the house is so unusual.

 

[CASATX]

Has there been any discussion about the 2nd bedroom on the 2nd floor? (See floor plans in thread 11, post 371) Its a 6 bedroom house, but 5 residents + 1 guest were present. I am wondering if there is an unknown roommate or if this bedroom is unoccupied or used for something else.

Thanks from a newbie, great site!

 

[mickey2942]

Welcome @Booksleuth ! My friend lives in the area, and this entire situation has shook her to the core! As you know, Moscow ID, folks know people, who you go to church with, high school, college. They are not thinking about moving, but they did install a home alarm system and have re done locks in the house. They also have changed out a few old windows and two doors. I think Lowes is pretty busy. Her husband also added additional outside flood lights, with motion detectors and a new camera system.

I bet a lot of people are re-assessing home security there.

 

[Operationcatchthug]

When's the next press conference?

 

[Strong1]

What are your thoughts on the killer possibly being a guest at the house?

That night or at one time? If your talking about that night I guess it is possible that one of the roommates invited someone over. We know they have ring footage of the two girls arriving home. So you would think that if there was a third person with them that would have been known. However we don't have a lot of info on how they know what time the other couple got to the house. Maybe the Ring picked them up as well. As far as if the killer had been a guest at the house at sometime, I do believe that the killer had been there before.

 

[isabella88]

Like + 4 yrs old me thinks… RRs, post-mfg warranty coverage, are historically very expensive to repair and thus are, relative to initial MSRP, very cheap

Wouldn't be my choice but I'm not a 21-year-old young woman. RRs are pretty sick if you can keep them up.

 

[Ghostwheel]

That kind of knife is one they wouldn't chance holding with a clip, I would imagine.

Being a many knife owner, people sometimes do really stupid stuff with them. Like skip the sheath entirely and slide it behind your belt on top of your jeans in the back. Carry it in your hand. Wrap it In a towel or paper bag and toss it in your backpack. Put it in a box in a backpack. Slide it into a pocket in a backpack. I have ruined more backpacks.....

No one I know ever wants to put a knife with gore on it directly back into a sheath. JMO, based on learning life's lessons.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

The interviews with the four experts are very clear...based on their experience this crime was not a committed by a stranger. It was not random.

This is why from the beginning police have said there wasn't a threat to the broader community. Legally they've had to walk that back (twice) because they simply overstepped in trying to restore the community's sense of security - no one can guarantee there are no threats at any given time. etc. But they knew the murderer knew the victim(s).

Excellent post-thank you for sharing. I wonder, though, how they're defining 'stranger'. It could potentially just mean that the killer was familiar with, on the periphery of, the victims' lives, but not necessarily a friend or ongoing relationship. At least that is the way I'd interpret it. I think that's fairly obvious that someone didn't just roll up and say, yeah, I will kill these four.

But here's what I really don't get: just because the murderer knew (targeted/identified/stalked/whatever) the victims, it wouldn't mean that same person couldn't be a threat to others. Anyone who has been planning and thinking about killing four people in that manner is a threat until they're not. I personally think it was very irresponsible of LE to state no threat until the murderer is signed, sealed, delivered. Jmo. Even if they think they know who did it (which I don't believe they do), that person could still be a threat, esp if threatened. jmo.