ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

[El Deer C]

I have seen no information surrounding why and when the 6th roommate moved out (from the 2nd bedroom on the 2nd floor). You would assume that this person would have been one of the first people to be investigated by the MPD. I realize that identities cannot be revealed but has this person been investigated, discussed, cleared, etc.?

 

[Mrs. Grueby]

I respectfully disagree. I believe LE when they said this was a personal attack. So many people suspected an out of town serial killer in the Delphi case and base on the arrest it appears that it was a local. If indeed a SK then why target this house in particular? why not a sorority house? or one of the many other off campus houses? like Delphi was there a social media connection? Also, it is hard to believe that Kaylee being home for just that weekend is a coincidence. MOO but whomever did this was particularly angry/jealous of her.

Hmmm… look at it this way: a sk can be local or out of town, right? A sk killer might choose to attack whomever is the easiest target. Or whomever is the most difficult. One can ask “why this house” in all random killings. Familiarity with the house? door unlocked? saw an occupant that triggered something? It’s difficult to fully understand the mind, or the motivation, of a sk. What is suspicious to me is that there are other nearby murders, coupled with this one, that lead me to suspect that this is more likely the work of a sk than a personal targeted attack on a particular victim. These kids’ circles can’t be that wide that if it is indeed “personal” they would surely have identified a poi. I could be wrong… ha! It’s likely that I am, but I’m thinking this is going “slow” because they have nothing substantial. I’d like to add that if it is a peer, man they are really really good at evading suspicion/arrest. MOO … naturally.

 

[wary]

I have seen no information surrounding why and when the 6th roommate moved out (from the 2nd bedroom on the 2nd floor). You would assume that this person would have been one of the first people to be investigated by the MPD. I realize that identities cannot be revealed but has this person been investigated, discussed, cleared, etc.?

As far as I know, we have no reason to think that this supposed 6th roommate exists.

 

[Sunny Texas]

Sleeping. Not odd at all.

Totally agree. I would seldom have my phone ringer on when sleeping. Even if I do, I often sleep through the rings or ignore them. Many kids that age, once they are out, they are OUT...especially if his Saturday night was typical for many college kids.

 

[Strong1]

As far as I know, we have no reason to think that this supposed 6th roommate exists.

Didn't I see on here somewhere that it wasn't uncommon for a room to be empty for a semester?

 

[meade]

I never said EXACTLY at 3 am, but approx around and AFTER 3 am. This is important. After 3 am people are exhausted and can be taken off guard easier vs broad daylight.
I respectfully disagree.
If this is not a one-off murder it could be related to other murders with similarities. Serial Killers tend to have patterns.
I hope we do not have another serial killer on our hands, and serial killings are more common than you think, which is disturbing.
I honestly hope this is not a serial killer or will happen again but I do want him/her to be caught ASAP!

Analyst Estimates 2,000 Serial Killers At Large in U.S.

The claim comes from a scientist who has independently tracked murder data for years, according to 'The New Yorker.'

www.newsweek.com

Yeah it may be notable that the killer operates after 3 am, but I don't think the numbers in and of themselves have any significance. In other words, I don't think the 3 am number holds any significance other than it happens to be a convenient and effective time for the killer.

 

[Mrs. Grueby]

Thought I would share a resource to help with those considering motives and probable cause.

This url seems to provide a government statistical accounting of crimes. More specifically, this url addresses homicides.

https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/crime/shr

Based on a "Victim Demographics" chart in the middle of the page I try to summarize in a few lines. On the right of the chart, I clicked on % to provide a clearer view of the population distributions.

1. Victim circumstances: About 50% of the time, the circumstances of the homicide do not have enough supporting data to specify.

2. Victim's relationship to the offender: About 52% of the time, the relationship is unknown.

3. Murder Victim's by instrument: Only 7% are with a knives or cutting instruments.


You may make your own conclusions.

Mine:

#3 narrows this type of homicide to 7%

of those it is more likely, the offender is not known and there is little evidence to determine who they might be.


Perhaps, you may add to this observation.

Mine? Same as yours.

 

[wary]

Didn't I see on here somewhere that it wasn't uncommon for a room to be empty for a semester?

I think so. And with 5, ranging from knowing each other, to best friends forever, I can see why they might want to just pay more, rather than adding a random stranger into the mix. So, it doesn’t seem implausible to me.

Just MOO

 

[layer]

Maybe E + X were attacked first. Maybe M+K heard commotion and thought the ex boyfriend they were calling had actually come over and they might have come downstairs to see if it was him but instead finding the murderer or alternatively called out from their room ?!

Except LE says they were likely all attacked in their sleep.

 

[Sunny Texas]

Yeah it may be notable that the killer operates after 3 am, but I don't think the numbers in and of themselves have any significance. In other words, I don't think the 3 am number holds any significance other than it happens to be a convenient and effective time for the killer.

If the killer is a psychopath with a triggering event, it's possible something happened to them at around that time on the 13th at some point in their lives. Or not. Impossible to know at this point.

 

[AngTxGal]

"Morning" could mean anything from 12:01 AM to 11:59 AM, so there is the potential that the dog was picked up before the murders occurred. However, someone who says they are local to Moscow responded to me in an earlier thread that Animal Control doesn't work nights or weekends.

I've never seen a police log. I do note the discrepancy of the updated report on the Moscow, Idaho website which now reads:
" On the morning of the incident, officers located a dog at the residence. The dog was unharmed and turned over to Animal Services and then released to a responsible party."

I just don't understand turning the dog over to Animal Services if you know where the dog lived and who owns the dog (the ex-boyfriend.) If you don't know the owner and he doesn't have a collar, that's one thing. Or a disgruntled neighbor sending the dog away to try and instill responsible dog ownership principles is understandable (rude.)

But for the police to confiscate the dog from his home and turn him over to Animal Services.... why?

I’ve been thinking about this since you posted it, accordn2me
Thinking about how that day may have looked
The two surviving roommates would have began to stir, discover a body, call friends, someone called 911.
Friends and LE would show up, these two girls are in PJs, likely not wanting to go back into the house, I wouldn’t.
Where did they go, how long did it take for family to show up and take them home. Who went back in to get their things- if they could at all?
Who knows where Murphy is, crate, yard, upstairs, wandering around?
The scene would have been chaos upon chaos as each body was discovered one after the other. I’m glad Murphy was found and returned to J.
I did notice he was shaved close in the last picture- it is Idaho in the winter. I’m thinking they collected hair off of him for evidence??
JMO

 

[diabeticrockstar]

That is not accurate. The ground floor is any floor that has an exterior exit level with the ground. A first floor is a floor with a main entrance facing the street on the street address. A walkout basement is a floor that is at least half buried and half above grade, with an exterior exit at ground level.

In this case:

There were 2 ground floors.
There was a walkout basement that was also the first floor and a ground floor.
There was a 2nd floor that was a 2nd story in front and ground level in back.
Because this is confusing, I like to refer to the floors in this case as Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, with Level 1 being the level of the front address side of the house.

Are you people even in the US? J/k
1st floor, 2nd floor, 3rd floor.
Lol
It varies by your region/country, yes, but also where you actually grew up. People that grew up in NYC and high rises will colloquially use different language when describing floors than those who grew up on farmland with a 2 floor ranch house.

Personally, I wouldnt, nor anyone I know, call that house anything but 1st floor/2nd/3rd. We'd never use the term "ground floor". Like I said, the only time I've ever come across the term being used is in multi-level office buildings and such--never when describing a single residential home.

 

[Zella]

One thing I wonder about is why J did not answer the phone. I'm not insinuating he is guilty of anything, but it just seems odd.

Beyond what everyone else has said about her sleeping, per interviews with her sister, she had a habit of phoning and messaging people at all hours with minor questions, like what she should eat. He may have been awake and just not been in the mood for that type of conversation.

Some of my friends and I frequently text at that time, but once I am starting to head toward bed, I stop responding to them or checking the messages because I want to be left alone.

I don't think it is unusual at all that he didn't respond, regardless of whether he was awake or not, especially if he was used to her doing this in non-emergency situations.

 

[Sunny Texas]

I think so. And with 5, ranging from knowing each other, to best friends forever, I can see why they might want to just pay more, rather than adding a random stranger into the mix. So, it doesn’t seem implausible to me.

Just MOO

It also could be possible that the "spare" room was used as a study room, game room, extra hookup room for partying friends, extra bedroom for overnight guests, etc.

 

[Strong1]

Question, the houses like the one they lived in, are they owned by the university or privately owned?

 

[Sunny Texas]

Except LE says they were likely all attacked in their sleep.

The quote I saw was that they were likely all asleep before they were attacked. That doesn't rule out the possibility that they had all fallen asleep, but then 1 or more were awakened by something.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

I am hearing often that the thought is that one person committed the murders. Is that because only one type of knife is assumed to be in common with all 4 victims ? Could it be multiple offenders with the same style of knife ?

I find it difficult to rationalize that the offender would believe they could commit the murders and still be able to escape without being seen.

Just want to open up the thought that multiple offenders with the same style knife seems plausible.

Not gang related but perhaps, the leader found a partner to share in this obscene pursuit.

I suppose LE would have eventually know if their are signs of multiple patterns in the way the murders were committed to know this.

I seems like a good question to ask ? is there evidence to distinguish between a single offender and multiple offenders committing these homicides ?

 

[layer]

Lock your doors and windows, people! That's why they're there - to keep people out of your personal space.

And, I might add... throw up some curtains.

 

[Thunderhawk1921]

One thing I wonder about is why J did not answer the phone. I'm not insinuating he is guilty of anything, but it just seems odd.

The calls were between 2:30-3am, so fairly late in the night. He could have been partying as well and passed out.
Considering they were going through a break up, it’s common that one might ignore calls coming from an ex.

I don’t find this odd, at all.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

The quote I saw was that they were likely all asleep before they were attacked. That doesn't rule out the possibility that they had all fallen asleep, but then 1 or more were awakened by something.

I thought one of the girls called someone 7 times within 20 minutes around the time the murders were estimated being committed ?