ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

[Sunny Texas]

This is what I have discerned from reading other posts & studying the layout pictures: The 1st floor which they are calling the basement was an add on later after construction and where the surviving roommates were sleeping. It has the gravel parking lot where the tenants park and an entrance door with a keypad. The second level is where E&X were and has the sliding glass door into the kitchen facing what most now consider the backside of the house & the wooded area. This door is what LE said was opened when they arrived after the 911 call. There is also a paved driveway coming from this angle of the house. The upper level or 3rd floor with K&M’s bedrooms had 2 private balconies facing the backside of the house and the wooded area. Although K’s bedroom was on the upper floor, she had possibly already began the move out process since she was graduating in December hence the reason she was sleeping in M’s room.
Please comment with any corrections, thanks!

No, the 1st level and the front half of the 2nd level were the original house, with the back half of the 2nd level and the 3rd level added later. We don't know if K had moved out her stuff yet or whether she was sleeping with M. AFAIK, they could have been in 1 or both of either of the 3rd level bedrooms. Also, the sliding doors open onto a large balcony from K's room, but that same balcony then narrows and extends along most of the back side of the 3rd level, including M's bedroom window. The ground grade seems to go up there to the point that someone could have left the house out of M's window and dropped down from the balcony or by climbing the tree adjacent to it, in MOO.

 

[FruitTingles]

From the beginning I had had the feeling LE firmly had this matter under control, arrests soon to follow.

Now -- not so much.

You?

Personally, and not to discredit LE - I don’t think they have enough to make an arrest. Yet at least. They are asking for a lot of help from the public, whether it be to extensively build the case more, or because they genuinely don’t have enough. I just have a feeling it will go cold. I hope not, but it’s just my gut feeling now. JMO

 

[layer]

That is my understanding too, what I don’t know is how they arrived at the 4AM.
It has to be after 3AM because of the phone calls to J.
They must have left a voicemail or a text that identifies them- or no one could be certain they were the ones that made those calls.
So, how does anyone know the murders didn’t take place anytime between 3AM -11AM?
Did some other event occur?
Are they assuming that the perp would have to be out of the house at dawn? Is dawn 4AM in Idaho in November?? Idk?
JMO

Good question. The specificity in their timeline makes me wonder if there is some video somewhere.

 

[branifflady63]

I know it’s probably “old” news at the rate these threads move but I’m still stuck on the photo of the blood dripping down the exterior wall.

I understand it was said to be a “bloody scene” inside but I just cannot seem to logistically wrap my head around blood oozing out of the house itself. I must be really naive because I truly thought something like that would only ever happen in a horror movie.

(For ref: University of Idaho murders: blood seen oozing from house amid reports of previous threat)

/jmo

I've been thinking the same thing.

 

[SUSAN ANN]

Here is an example of a current listing in Moscow, Idaho with a description that includes a walkout basement.

Where I live the term walkout basement is very common.

 

[Sunny Texas]

Could be that after getting involved with E, K took her studies more seriously, as K's father said that K was helping E was his studying regime, or something of that nature. Just speculation of course.

E was with X, not K.

 

[JSTANOVICE]

One thing I wonder about is why J did not answer the phone. I'm not insinuating he is guilty of anything, but it just seems odd.

I thought I read Somewhere He Was asleep

 

[MoveToTheBeat]

That is my understanding too, what I don’t know is how they arrived at the 4AM.
It has to be after 3AM because of the phone calls to J.
They must have left a voicemail or a text that identifies them- or no one could be certain they were the ones that made those calls.
So, how does anyone know the murders didn’t take place anytime between 3AM -11AM?
Did some other event occur?
Are they assuming that the perp would have to be out of the house at dawn? Is dawn 4AM in Idaho in November?? Idk?
JMO

I'm guessing but probably from this:

Rigor Mortis

Typically, the onset of rigor is first observed 2 to 6 hours following death and develops over the first 12 hours. The onset begins with the muscles of the face and then spreads to all of the muscles during the next 4 to 6 hours.

Something else also,

I have been listening to all of the Moscow Police Department press conferences again, and they never say that the 911 call is made by anyone else whom came over to the house, (friends) they are just saying the 911 call was made from one of the surviving roommates phones and from the house, but asked from reporters who made the call or anyone else other than one of the roommates they won't comment on it. Though at the last press conference they reveal that 911 spoke to several people during the phone call. I assume it was one of the roommates they just don't want the public to know which one of them.

 

[SUSAN ANN]

Investigators and the FBI were back at the house today. The caption under the video says that members of the BAU were among the visitors, but I’m not quite sure how they know they were with the BAU:

Police and members of the FBI first looked outside and walked up the hill behind the home, which is built into a slope and stands three stories tall.

Next they came back down and were seen putting on protective covers over their shoes and returning inside the home on King Road, which had been untouched for days.

<snip>

Investigators on Friday could be seen through the upstairs windows analyzing the interior.

<snip>

After searching the inside of the house, one of the investigators left with several small paper bags in his hand.

Idaho murders: Detectives, FBI return to campus stabbing scene, collect evidence and meet with prosecutor

Police and FBI agents returned Friday to the Moscow home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death in their sleep earlier this month.

www.foxnews.com

Does anybody know the difference between a profiler and the behavioral analysts?

 

[SkyBoomer]

Investigators and the FBI were back at the house today. The caption under the video says that members of the BAU were among the visitors, but I’m not quite sure how they know they were with the BAU:

Police and members of the FBI first looked outside and walked up the hill behind the home, which is built into a slope and stands three stories tall.

Next they came back down and were seen putting on protective covers over their shoes and returning inside the home on King Road, which had been untouched for days.

<snip>

Investigators on Friday could be seen through the upstairs windows analyzing the interior.

<snip>

After searching the inside of the house, one of the investigators left with several small paper bags in his hand.

Idaho murders: Detectives, FBI return to campus stabbing scene, collect evidence and meet with prosecutor

Police and FBI agents returned Friday to the Moscow home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death in their sleep earlier this month.

www.foxnews.com

That Pi Phi arrow on the windowsill really brings it home just how young these people were.

 

[tpen]

Didn't I see on here somewhere that it wasn't uncommon for a room to be empty for a semester?

I was in a house my senior year that rented by room. It was a four bedroom house and 1-2 rooms were empty basically the entire time I was there. Didn’t impact our rent since we signed a lease only for our bedroom. So easily possible that the room was empty and that they/landlord weren’t trying to actively fill it.

 

[WildWest]

I know it’s probably “old” news at the rate these threads move but I’m still stuck on the photo of the blood dripping down the exterior wall.

I understand it was said to be a “bloody scene” inside but I just cannot seem to logistically wrap my head around blood oozing out of the house itself. I must be really naive because I truly thought something like that would only ever happen in a horror movie.

(For ref: University of Idaho murders: blood seen oozing from house amid reports of previous threat)

/jmo

I'm in the same boat as you and @branifflady63

ETA, I'm leaning towards some kind of construction adhesive or other. If there was a path for the blood that room would be freezing and it could also get in the joists and freeze water pipes.

 

[Sunny Texas]

Sunny, I thought the phone calls were the dog owner calling the dog's other co owner looking for him? Did I misunderstand what I read?

The phone calls were from K & M to K's long-time ex-BF, with whom she is said to have shared dog ownership. We have not been informed about the contents of those calls, except that in an interview with K's family discussing the calls, they mentioned she had messaged or left a message with the ex-BF reminding him that they shared custody of the dog. I don't think we can tell when that happened. The implication was that was part of the contents of those messages, but we are unsure how K's family would know that content unless the ex-BF (for whom they were expressing full support) might have let them see or listen to any messages. That is MOO, and we do not know why K's family would mention this. It is possible that those calls from K&M in the middle of the night had absolutely nothing to do with the dog and also possible they were all about the dog.

 

[jitterbugperfume]

I’ve seen a lot of posts discussing how Maddie and Kaylee were in the same bedroom. Has that been confirmed?

 

[KonaHonu]

That means tons of fingerprints, hair, shoeprints and DNA. Pain in the rear end to gather and process all that material and sift the evidence from the random stuff.

I don't know why peopl keep saying they have tons of evidence, The police said yesterday that they have 103 pieces of evidence. That;s not much at all.

 

[wary]

I’ve seen a lot of posts discussing how Maddie and Kaylee were in the same bedroom. Has that been confirmed?

As far as I know, LE hasn’t said anything on the subject of who was found where.

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1596264655843983363

 

[MoveToTheBeat]

This is what I have discerned from reading other posts & studying the layout pictures: The 1st floor which they are calling the basement was an add on later after construction and where the surviving roommates were sleeping. It has the gravel parking lot where the tenants park and an entrance door with a keypad. The second level is where E&X were and has the sliding glass door into the kitchen facing what most now consider the backside of the house & the wooded area. This door is what LE said was opened when they arrived after the 911 call. There is also a paved driveway coming from this angle of the house. The upper level or 3rd floor with K&M’s bedrooms had 2 private balconies facing the backside of the house and the wooded area. Although K’s bedroom was on the upper floor, she had possibly already began the move out process since she was graduating in December hence the reason she was sleeping in M’s room.
Please comment with any corrections, thanks!

Something struck me now, they said at the press conference "some" had defensive wounds so maybe it could be that Xana had defensive wounds waking up when Ethan was stabbed, and Kaylee sleeping with Maddie could possibly be also one of them having defensive wounds when the other was attacked. Otherwise why use the word "some"?

 

[Sunny Texas]

I’ve seen a lot of posts discussing how Maddie and Kaylee were in the same bedroom. Has that been confirmed?

No. They could have been together in either room or separate in either room. They could even have been together or separate when trying to call K's ex BF. People have used social media photos and crime scene photos to determine that the 3rd level back left BR appeared to be M's and the 3rd level back right BR appeared to be K's. However, K was about to move to TX, so we do not know the current state of her room (whether she still had a bed there, etc.) Also, they were best friends/almost sisters for many years and appeared to be at least somewhat intoxicated after a late night out. They could have fallen asleep together in the same room. This information has not been released by LE.

 

[trkr6k]

One thing I wonder about is why J did not answer the phone. I'm not insinuating he is guilty of anything, but it just seems odd.

<modsnip> it's really not that unfathomable that a decently drunk young adult went to sleep and was simply dead asleep. Personally, I keep my phone on vibrate most of the time as it is. I think the phone calls from K and M are not a factor aside from what they contribute to the timeline. JMO