ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 14

[Arkay]

I believe Killer exited via the far side of the 3rd balcony. I do believe that is blood (there is no other spots with "berries" leaving marks like that....and the marks are about the width apart as two hands lowering themselves down/hanging from the balcony to quietly as possible drop down).

My primary thought about "berries vs. blood" is that if it were indeed blood, the investigators would have gathered it up as forensic evidence and not leave it to get contaminated by the elements outdoors.

Hence, IMO they are just berries which have fallen from the branches above them.

I do like the observation noted by @Sillybilly regarding the absence of snow on the crucial part of the railing. That seems germane to me.

Jmo

 

[Kdot112]

Suspect follows them out of the club; sees them get food at food truck, and gets into his car. Follows their ride home and now knows where they live. Comes back about 1.5-2 hours later. Premeditated. Why LE wants the videos/photos. They want to track the suspect's movements. They need to prove intent.

Don’t forget that there is a strong possibility that this is X and E based. Everyone keeps focusing on K and M because we know more information about them and their night. You may be surprised.

 

[hopewell]

but 2 people in one bed... that's what's crazy to me... at least one would have had to be woken up enough

E and X may not have been in the same bed together. Perhaps not even in the same room. Both may have fallen asleep on the couch. Or one was on couch, one in a chair. Or one in bed, one on the floor. Any combination is possible, including the same bed. In any case, I agree. To me, being killed in the same bed while both remain asleep indicates either a high level of precision/efficiency, or two killers.

For what it's worth, I think I saw a couch on the back patio in one of the media pictures like it was being removed from the home, but I can't be certain of that.

My opinion.

 

[Sundog]

LE can get immediate access from the Carrier in exigent circumstances; followed up later with a subpoena/warrant for the paper records. One of first things LE would have done is contact the cell carrier and immediately gotten verbal info, then followed up with warrant. DNA can be turned around in 24-48 hours; sometimes sooner, to LE, followed up by written report later. So timing isn't an issue for LE as to immediate investigative knowledge- only getting the paper evidence takes time...

In his interview with Lawrence Jones, Fox News reporter, K's father said that it would take some time before LE would be able to gain access to his daughter's cell phone, so he helped to get access to her phone because in the family they all used some familiar passwords. Therefore he was able to expedite the process so that LE could get access to K's cellphone information faster.

 

[Emerald1328]

My primary thought about "berries vs. blood" is that if it were indeed blood, the investigators would have gathered it up as forensic evidence and not leave it to get contaminated by the elements outdoors.

Hence, IMO they are just berries which have fallen from the branches above them.

I do like the observation noted by @Sillybilly regarding the absence of snow on the crucial part of the railing. That seems germane to me.

Jmo

I think the absence of snow on the railing is just because the trees are close to that part. It probably shielded snow from building up as much as the part not shaded by trees.

 

[Sundog]

I’m wondering if Z told E she would meet him at the frat house after the formal dance?

Do we know for sure that the formal dance was on Saturday? I wonder if it was on Friday night when E chaperoned his triplet sister, M, to the dance at her sorority.

 

[Missyrocks5]

I agree that the families need to stop talking about what little they know about the murders. I don't think that media outlets are interested in talking with family members simply to talk about their children; I think that the media wants to pump them for as much info as they can get from them. And perhaps that accounts for some of the reason why LE isn't sharing much with them; LE fears that whatever they do share will only end up splashed across the news.
MOO

. If I were LE, I wouldn’t say anything to them about any of what they’ve found. Here, the father was pretty much threatening that he is staying quiet and knows things because he is going to give them a little more time. So what happens if a timeframe goes by that he feels is too long, what is he going to say? Someone needs to explain to them how counterproductive it is. The FBI is on this case, it’s not just the r local PD

 

[Kdot112]

Random thoughts this morning…

Re…’clearing’ suspects, wide parameters of areas of interest, request for videos, etc from public…I’m sure LE does not want some defense atty at trial to claim they zero-ed in on his client from the get-go, etc. So even if they do have a likely POI, they need to investigate as if anything else is also a possibility.

My college BF’s frat had a huge rented summer house. It was not uncommon after a party to have some random person stagger out in the morning from one of the empty rooms.

In one of the videos, the one where the girls are pretending to be each other, they have X asking to have a small party. I think the joke was that her ‘small parties’ often got a lot bigger than planned.(opinion only) Did E and X have a some people over after they left the frat party? Did one of them crash in the empty room instead of leaving? Maybe someone there was an earlier ‘physical altercation’ with?

Heading back to the ‘dog’ questions…if he was inthe house all night, by noon he would have been really needing to go out…assuming he was house trained. Our dogs would have been crying, jumping on the door, trying desperately to get out. I’m beginning to believe he was not in the house.

Would there have been a ‘fee’ to retrieve the dog…kind of like getting your car back when impounded? Could there have bern an altercation over who was at fault for the dog getting out and who should pay?

Last thing…my spidey sense says they do have a suspect in their sights.

They almost certainly have the guy on watch. I also think there is a very fair chance that at least one non roommate was welcomed into that house that night.

 

[CityKid]

Two thoughts, both regarding both LE and K's father's comments about what's missing in a photo. One, I'm hung up on the Ring footage. I assume LE have it and are examining it frame by frame. If it could get video of people (K and M) getting out of a car in front of their house, I wonder if a car was missing or moved from the time of the video of K and M to the time police arrived on scene. Could indicate someone in the house at the time of the murder who then fled. Two, I haven't seen LE confirmation that E and X returned to the house together at 1:45. That's the time we've been given, but I'm not clear how they know this. If they went from Sigma Chi to the home, they wouldn't need to drive (frat house and home are only about 100 yards apart). If one returned during the commission of the crime, that could explain why they were outside X's room (NYT said yesterday it was a woman, but other accounts have said man, so I went with 'they'). Again, the Ring footage might have the info about X's and E's arrival times.

 

[Which_pancake]

The fact that they were likely asleep has not been amended. The only thing amended is a clarification that they were not necessarily in their beds when attacked/killed. The coroner does say that some have defensive wounds, but if they were likely asleep those were probably instinctive and even involuntary. Even if they stirred to consciousness somehow during the attack, it would have been brief and not likely long enough to realize what was going on.

My opinion.

My question about this is how would the coroner determine they were asleep unless they were found in bed or else very close to bed (ie on the floor to the side like they fell out of bed)? As far as I know there is no way to physically tell if someone was asleep when they died, so it would just be from circumstantial evidence. I think the fact that they were thought to have been asleep when attacked means that even if one or more had defensive wounds, nobody got up out of bed and fought with the attacker.

 

[pamelado2]

The fact that they were likely asleep has not been amended. The only thing amended is a clarification that they were not necessarily in their beds when attacked/killed. The coroner does say that some have defensive wounds, but if they were likely asleep those were probably instinctive and even involuntary. Even if they stirred to consciousness somehow during the attack, it would have been brief and not likely long enough to realize what was going on.

My opinion.

Per X's dad, she fought The fact that X fought could mean that she was not asleep when she was attacked. So for her, it sounds like it was not instinctive. The coroner said they were 'likely' asleep when they were attacked.

My theory is that the killer didn't know where each roommate was sleeping and was targeting either M or K. (Perhaps K was staying with M in her room since she already moved out and since K's bedroom light was never turned on he had no idea where she was sleeping) So he started on the second floor, waking X either when killing E or when he entered the room. Not finding K, he went to floor 3.

University of Idaho victim's father says Xana Kernodle had 'bruises,' put up a fight against killer

University of Idaho murder victim Xana Kernodle's father said the 20-year-old had 'bruises' and was 'torn by the knife' while putting up an apparent fight with her attacker.

www.foxnews.com

 

[TL4S]

No there was no specific information about bedroom doors being locked. Someone said perhaps the doors were locked and from there the idea spread And has almost become fact.

Yes, thank you for clarifying that. And it's a worthy idea about locked doors, however, I feel like if the surviving roommate was worried about the second floor person being unconscious behind a locked door, that roommate would tell the other first floor roommate, then go upstairs and tell the third floor roommates (or go to third floor first). I assume she didn't do that because the 911 call did not reflect concern for the third floor people.

The only way it makes sense to me is if the roommate saw a body, maybe blood, wasn't sure what she was seeing, and it scared her enough to not want to go up to the third floor. Instead, she opted to go back downstairs to the other surviving roommate, and neither one of them wanted to go to the third floor, so they started contacting friends to come help. JMO.

 

[pamelado2]

Wasn’t the CNN interview before this latest Fox interview? In the Fox interview he says that he asked permission to share some info with the reporter but was told not to do so. He also mentions they have shared passwords in the family, so they probably have all of Kaylee’s texts, calls and messages.

In another interview K's sister said she's on her mom's phone plan so they were immediately able to see her call log, etc.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Interview with Kaylee's dad.

26th November.

Reporter - Sir, thank you so much for joining me. Tonight, we continue to grieve with you and your family, and we're hoping to get answers for you.
Sir, when was the last time you talked with law enforcement about the case?.

Dad - Well, we just had a vacation. Law enforcement told me that they were gonna drop off a little bit and not to expect the same type of communication that I had gotten before. They pass it onto another person. So basically, long story short, it was Wednesday, 5:00 pm. was the last time they reached out to me. So, yeah, that's rough.

Reporter - What are they telling you?

Dad - They're kinda just telling me that they can't tell me much. Which is frustrating to me because I've been very trustworthy. I do know things. I haven't shared things. We're the same family that found the original timeline. We're the same family that broke into the phones. We tried everything in our ability to try to get into this system because a court order is not the fastest thing. So, we broke in and we did what we did. We know that we have some family passwords that we all share. So, we broke in and we helped them. So it's hard for me to give up, as a father, my protective ability, to other men.

Reporter - They have shared with us that it was a targeted attack. Can you give us any information about that?. Have they told you who the target was, or given you more insight than they have the public?.

Dad - I don't wanna talk bad about them because these are some hard working individuals and I'm doomed without them. We're all doomed without them. This police is just a terrible idea. The fact that we're finding out that there's more than just my daughter and these children that have suffered. It's terrible to think that we can these guys. It's an absolute atrocity. That's not something that is.. it's not political, this is just facts guys. We can't allow these people to just run free. So, beyond that, they haven't shared a lot. We have some private detectives that have reached out to us and given us information. We take that with a grain of salt and we try to be careful. Just today, I reached out to the officers and said 'hey, this guy's treated me with respect on the show, I'd like to share some things with him, that I found out on my own' and they asked me to not do that. So, we're holding our tongue, we're waiting patiently, but we're definitely concerned.

Reporter - So, sir, I had the opportunity to speak with those same law enforcement officials today and was able to get some information out from them as well. We want to do everything that we can do to get you answers and to solicit more information for the timeline. But there's gaps in that timeline. Is there anything that you can share with us that may put people in that direction, where they would feel willing to share about that timeline?.

Dad - I've heard a little bit of feedback on this, that people are nervous about the timeline. I'm gonna tell you guys that there's so much attention on this, if you can share your information, if you can post it.. I mean, it's the Internet, you can do these things anonymously, go forward. For those people who are afraid, like maybe, 'I was intoxicated and I'm underage'. That's not what they care about guys, they're not looking at that. That is not going to happen. So, give out that picture, that image, that video, that selfie, whatever it is, give it out and know that there is zero chance that they're coming to you for, you know, ruining your career or.. anything along those lines. They're just looking for data right now and you could be the key. You might be something that has been overlooked. So, I guess, I implore people to come forward, especially when you know you're even close to that timeline, because technology is the only thing that doesn't lie, really. It's just data and then we can analyse it as a society and determine what it is. But it doesn't lie, it's just simply data. So, it's better than an eyewitness, it's better than anything that we can produce. It's right up there with DNA. I just implore you.. sometimes, even if you think that selfie has nothing in the background, maybe there's a car that should be there. That somebody said in their alibi, I parked right here next to this tree. And then there's that tree, and your car's not there.

Reporter - Steve, we're gonna put that number on the screen for people to call, give any information. Sir, thank you so much for coming on the programme. Keep us posted on what's going on in this investigation. We'll continue to follow. Thanks again.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596916171680333824

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596916805154443264

 

[GGbankster]

In a press conference, it was confirmed by LE that all victims were release to their respective family but only seen Ethan funerals on the news. Has any of the girls family held a funeral yet? Is it open casket ? Im wondering about their body conditions as it may give some clues who the main target was.

 

[Margrock]

Not a problem at all.....that's why we're all here expressing our OPINIONS. I understand your thought process and you may very well be correct, but maybe they have a suspect and not enough evidence to convict. Maybe they are appealing to anybody and everybody if they know anything to come forth with that information, and maybe that information can strengthen their case. Just because they have a suspect doesn't mean they have the goods to convict.

Certainly a possibility. Hope that's the case.
Personally I lean toward the idea it's someone from the periphery of their group, and if so, I think it's a good possibility they do have a suspect or suspects. Hopefully it's not someone like Danny Rolling or Israel Keyes who targeted victims they didn't know.

 

[hopewell]

Per X's dad, she fought The fact that X fought could mean that she was not asleep when she was attacked. So for her, it sounds like it was not instinctive. The coroner said they were 'likely' asleep when they were attacked.

My theory is that the killer didn't know where each roommate was sleeping and was targeting either M or K. (Perhaps K was staying with M in her room since she already moved out and since K's bedroom light was never turned on he had no idea where she was sleeping) So he started on the second floor, waking X either when killing E or when he entered the room. Not finding K, he went to floor 3.

University of Idaho victim's father says Xana Kernodle had 'bruises,' put up a fight against killer

University of Idaho murder victim Xana Kernodle's father said the 20-year-old had 'bruises' and was 'torn by the knife' while putting up an apparent fight with her attacker.

www.foxnews.com

The father is grieving, so I imagine that he would prefer to think that any defensive bruising and lacerations were a result of her fighting back both consciously and ferociously. I would too. That doesn't appear to be the case, however, at least according to the coroner.

My opinion.

 

[ellabella]

. I found the interview with Kaylee's dad, on FOX news, very telling. (The part about the car.) In the last presser this is exactly what LE said. That what is NOT in a picture is just as important as what is. I believe we have been given a clue, twice.

Agreed. I think we're possibly being asked to help bust an alibi. I don't know who or what the alibi might be, but if someone claimed to be somewhere, especially somewhere with a lot of people, they could help they will just blend in and people will assume they were there.

 

[Emanze]

Since it seems from that interview that Kaylee‘s dad was inferring that maybe someone‘s alibi gave a detail that actually wasn’t there, it made me think that it was even smarter, not just because you catch your victims by surprise, for the killer to do it that time of night. You would say that everyone is asleep at that time so if you’re trying to make an alibi, how do you prove that you were in your bed asleep? I mean if you wake up and can’t sleep, you can go online and then there will be some digital footprint, but otherwise, if you really are sleeping, how do you prove it? And that also to me then made me think how do you prove with your phone where you were. I don’t know if it’s because it’s such a small town that maybe the cell phone towers or the networks out there aren’t as prevalent so it’s harder? I don’t know. And maybe the killer was really smart as hell and left his phone at home anyway.

That then makes me also think that if the killer lived across the street in the apartment complex, maybe it would leave the same digital footprint since it’s literally a few yards away. My point is I’m not sure how they can use the digital footprints in this particular situation. I hope they really help.

"If you really are sleeping, how do you prove it?"
"How do you prove with your phone where you were?"

That is something on my mind a lot with this horrid case. In addition to leaving a cell phone at home so it won't ping and track the killers movements, roommates/parents who live with him, might very well believe he was at home asleep. But that isn't a credible alibi because the killer can clearly sneak out in the middle of the night without anyone noticing.

Which makes me wonder if the FBI is administering, or close to administering, polygraphs. (Which appear to be admissible in criminal courts of Idaho). I wouldn't be shocked if lawyering up will happen soon. IMO/MOO

It's three weeks today on this Sunday morning. The families and loved ones are in a world of hurt. Really no words but praying for justice soon.