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Ok. The other sorority on disciplinary probation is Alpha Phi - Kaylee’s sorority. Also for Health & Safety.
Weird.
Weird.
At 1:56 a.m., a neighbor’s surveillance camera showed Ms. Mogen and Ms. Goncalves returning to the house, Ms. Goncalves’s older sister said.The discussion is interesting.
2 Sororities on campus are currently on disciplinary probation including Pi Beta Phi. (Maddie, Xana & surviving roommate are all members)
Updated timeline discussion as to why and if cameras. (although she got the time wrong and said 11:56)
Exactly. Not to mention the murder weapon would be right there. Nobody can fatally stab themselves and then go hide the knife afterDo you believe one of the victims killed themselves with the knife?
This is all good convo and theorizing, but I will say, I am a woman, and a tough one at that, and unless it has to do with my children, a knife doesn’t come to mind unless I absolutely HAD TO! Gun would be the first thing I’d use. I would have to believe, even in a rage induced situation.Why not a woman? Someone said because a woman is not capable of murdering 4 people with a knife. I disagree. Especially if the blade was sharp enough. One poster mentioned stabbing through bones and tendons and muscles, but in the abdomen and neck, there is a lot of damage that can be done without going through bone.
IMO, the lack of a sexual component, the use of a knife instead of a gun, the gruesome nature of the crime, and even the lack of a good suspect, makes me think it could be a woman. I mean, when we're all reviewing videos and photos, are we even looking at the females that came into close contact with them? A woman could have used some of the victims clothes to escape in while carrying the items they wore to commit the crime. These girls were all in sororities, which are very competitive and there are a lot of "mingling" with frat guys. It wouldnt be a stretch to think of a jealous or spurned woman coming for payback.
Not that much more detail, but the university website does say this:The University’s website just lists Health & Safety. Gonna browse the site some more to see if there’s any further insight on what that could mean.
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Houses are usually rented out as an entire unit. Apartments tend to be rented bed by bedMany insurance carriers prohibit student housing. Talk about headaches.
Landlord question-do you find it odd that there was an empty bedroom? In your opinion (your opinion only), would a house like this be rented out in totality with all names on lease, or individual bedrooms? Would there be door locks? Would a landlord continue to feature the one bedroom for rent even after the semester had started, or wait-of course, if it was a per room rental.
Did they not all die in bed?It's dark. All the occupants have had a long and exciting day. E wakes up from deep sleep because he hears something he can't identify or simply to use the bathroom and encounters the killer in the hallway. He is too surprised to put up an effective fight. E dies there. By this time Xana is awake and she puts up a tremendous fight. She was a gymnast, probably strong and quick, but at disadvantage to flee due to being in bed on the wall where the bloodstains (purported) appear on the outside of the house.
As a professor (not at UI), this is both disturbing and somehow plausible. At least, if anything, a getaway route (if the perp is a student).
As a professor (not at UI), this is both disturbing and somehow plausible. At least, if anything, a getaway route (if the perp is a
We used to routinely get bomb threats during midterms and finals at the college I teach at, but I can’t fathom a student killing someone to avoid failing an exam.The least plausible notion I have read.
I have been studying the area that Moscow PD has requested video footage from:
West Taylor Ave (north boundary)
West Palouse River Dr (south boundary)
Highway 95 south to the 2700 block of Highway 95 S (east boundary)
Arboretum & Botanical Garden (west boundary)
A couple of things stood out to me:
They are basically looking at the area south of the university and not including the University itself. Is it because there are enough cameras on campus that they didn’t need any more footage or they didn’t spot any unusual movement there?
The north boundary of the area they are looking at is Taylor Rd. This is the road that runs between Greek Row and the victims‘ home.
The west boundary is the Arboretum/Botanical Gardens
The south boundary, W Palouse River Dr, is basically the southernmost east-west road in town.
The east boundary is Highway 95 S. This makes sense and squares off the area EXCEPT they want footage that goes all the way down 95S past W Palouse River Dr to the 2700 block. This is at the approximate location of Wasankari Construction which is at 2730.
When Moscow PD released their map, they showed a squared off area, but they weren’t showing W Palouse River Dr as the southern boundary. Why? Granted the 2700 block is less than a mile from the intersection but I think something, a vehicle, has caught their eye on 95 south of town and they are trying to track its movements that night.
Does Wasankari Construction have a video camera that showed something that caught their interest that night; a vehicle that may have been observed one or more times between 3:00 am and 6:00 am near the crime scene and then seen heading south out of town on Hwy 95?
I’ve attached 2 maps; the one released by Moscow PD and one I drew to explain what I am trying to say. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Thoughts?
some of us, after the coroner released a statement, possibly some victims may have been in bed during the attack, but it didn’t end there.ImoDid they not all die in bed?
Actually it's the opposite.Houses are usually rented out as an entire unit. Apartments tend to be rented bed by bed
Not in my experience or the college I went toActually it's the opposite.
They did not. Check out this post I made earlier tonightDid they not all die in bed?
I've put together a Google album of many of the photos posted in the news articles on the media thread. A link to the article where the image was obtained is listed in the description of each photo.
University of Idaho Press Photos
I’m thinking AG, and the family, are possibly not being told why LE consider it targeted and are keeping it from them to protect the investigation, and she is probably frustrated by this. JMOMy sincere condolences to this young lady. I can't imagine her pain.
However, LE is not "throwing around the term targeted". They've confirmed it.
- 'We still believe it was a targeted attack based on the evidence at the scene and how everything developed, what we know. We believe that's accurate,' he (Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell) said
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Idaho police can't corroborate claims that victim had a stalker
Police investigating the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students have insisted at least one of the victims was targeted - but refuse to say which of the friends could have been the focus.www.dailymail.co.uk
KG had moved out and IMO the vacant room was her old room. She was back to share her new vehicle with M, her best friend.Actually it's the opposite.
That was me and neck is still trickier than you think. in one of my posts, I linked to information from a Navy Seal trainer who describes in detail how to kill that way. It's tricky business. There are seven bones in the neck that are connected by ligaments, tendons and muscles, and the jugular and carotid aren't just a pinprick away. Also, with those cuts you have pulsing and squirting. in the abdomen, that's a slower death, but egad, ever seen an abdomen splayed open? Also, didn't LE say neck/upper torso?One poster mentioned stabbing through bones and tendons and muscles, but in the abdomen and neck, there is a lot of damage that can be done without going through bone.