ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

[Emerald1328]

Ok. The other sorority on disciplinary probation is Alpha Phi - Kaylee’s sorority. Also for Health & Safety.

Weird.

 

[LooksSusToMe]

Has LE confirmed this is or isn’t drug-related? When this first happened, I immediately thought K was the target, but I now believe it was X.

 

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597442881609994242

The discussion is interesting.

2 Sororities on campus are currently on disciplinary probation including Pi Beta Phi. (Maddie, Xana & surviving roommate are all members)
Updated timeline discussion as to why and if cameras. (although she got the time wrong and said 11:56)

At 1:56 a.m., a neighbor’s surveillance camera showed Ms. Mogen and Ms. Goncalves returning to the house, Ms. Goncalves’s older sister said.

Idaho Murders: What We Know

Bryan Kohberger, who was studying criminology at another university nearby, faces trial later this year in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students.

www.nytimes.com

That doorbell footage had captured their return home is not news.
That is why I had assumed LE had not been searching for earlier evidence, they already had it!
Possibly from more than one source too.
The info about the orgs being under disciplinary action is irresponsible IMO.

Investigate it first, then report.
Those kids returned to college yesterday under a cloud of fear.

 

[Boratsagdiyev]

Do you believe one of the victims killed themselves with the knife?

Exactly. Not to mention the murder weapon would be right there. Nobody can fatally stab themselves and then go hide the knife after

 

[kbckcern22]

Why not a woman? Someone said because a woman is not capable of murdering 4 people with a knife. I disagree. Especially if the blade was sharp enough. One poster mentioned stabbing through bones and tendons and muscles, but in the abdomen and neck, there is a lot of damage that can be done without going through bone.

IMO, the lack of a sexual component, the use of a knife instead of a gun, the gruesome nature of the crime, and even the lack of a good suspect, makes me think it could be a woman. I mean, when we're all reviewing videos and photos, are we even looking at the females that came into close contact with them? A woman could have used some of the victims clothes to escape in while carrying the items they wore to commit the crime. These girls were all in sororities, which are very competitive and there are a lot of "mingling" with frat guys. It wouldnt be a stretch to think of a jealous or spurned woman coming for payback.

This is all good convo and theorizing, but I will say, I am a woman, and a tough one at that, and unless it has to do with my children, a knife doesn’t come to mind unless I absolutely HAD TO! Gun would be the first thing I’d use. I would have to believe, even in a rage induced situation.

 

[clearskies1]

The University’s website just lists Health & Safety. Gonna browse the site some more to see if there’s any further insight on what that could mean.

About the U of I Greek community | University of Idaho

Discover the values and support behind Fraternity and Sorority Life at UIdaho and learn how the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life fosters leadership, belonging and academic success.

www.uidaho.edu

Not that much more detail, but the university website does say this:

Violation Types​

Health & Safety: Violations or concerns regarding Risk Management, Alcohol/Drugs, or Hazing

About the U of I Greek community | University of Idaho

Discover the values and support behind Fraternity and Sorority Life at UIdaho and learn how the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life fosters leadership, belonging and academic success.

www.uidaho.edu

 

[Boratsagdiyev]

Many insurance carriers prohibit student housing. Talk about headaches.

Landlord question-do you find it odd that there was an empty bedroom? In your opinion (your opinion only), would a house like this be rented out in totality with all names on lease, or individual bedrooms? Would there be door locks? Would a landlord continue to feature the one bedroom for rent even after the semester had started, or wait-of course, if it was a per room rental.

Houses are usually rented out as an entire unit. Apartments tend to be rented bed by bed

 

[Cyndesleuth]

It's dark. All the occupants have had a long and exciting day. E wakes up from deep sleep because he hears something he can't identify or simply to use the bathroom and encounters the killer in the hallway. He is too surprised to put up an effective fight. E dies there. By this time Xana is awake and she puts up a tremendous fight. She was a gymnast, probably strong and quick, but at disadvantage to flee due to being in bed on the wall where the bloodstains (purported) appear on the outside of the house.

Did they not all die in bed?

 

[Newb7961]

As a professor (not at UI), this is both disturbing and somehow plausible. At least, if anything, a getaway route (if the perp is a student).

As a professor (not at UI), this is both disturbing and somehow plausible. At least, if anything, a getaway route (if the perp is a

The least plausible notion I have read.

We used to routinely get bomb threats during midterms and finals at the college I teach at, but I can’t fathom a student killing someone to avoid failing an exam.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I have been studying the area that Moscow PD has requested video footage from:

West Taylor Ave (north boundary)
West Palouse River Dr (south boundary)
Highway 95 south to the 2700 block of Highway 95 S (east boundary)
Arboretum & Botanical Garden (west boundary)

A couple of things stood out to me:
They are basically looking at the area south of the university and not including the University itself. Is it because there are enough cameras on campus that they didn’t need any more footage or they didn’t spot any unusual movement there?
The north boundary of the area they are looking at is Taylor Rd. This is the road that runs between Greek Row and the victims‘ home.
The west boundary is the Arboretum/Botanical Gardens
The south boundary, W Palouse River Dr, is basically the southernmost east-west road in town.
The east boundary is Highway 95 S. This makes sense and squares off the area EXCEPT they want footage that goes all the way down 95S past W Palouse River Dr to the 2700 block. This is at the approximate location of Wasankari Construction which is at 2730.
When Moscow PD released their map, they showed a squared off area, but they weren’t showing W Palouse River Dr as the southern boundary. Why? Granted the 2700 block is less than a mile from the intersection but I think something, a vehicle, has caught their eye on 95 south of town and they are trying to track its movements that night.
Does Wasankari Construction have a video camera that showed something that caught their interest that night; a vehicle that may have been observed one or more times between 3:00 am and 6:00 am near the crime scene and then seen heading south out of town on Hwy 95?
I’ve attached 2 maps; the one released by Moscow PD and one I drew to explain what I am trying to say. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Thoughts?

I did research the map, and here are my thoughts, FWIW and not much else:

1. the murders didn't happen at the university, so why get all that extra footage? they're looking for way in and way out, and because of the location of the home, it's possible to easily define the four access points. if you look on the map, you will see that there are NO other ways into and out of the house's location without crossing one of those roads, and even on foot or bike, the killer had to come across the perimeter. They didn't ask for more for this purpose because they'd have more to sort through, and they only want to know what made it over the perimeter.

2. I think their screenshot that goes all the way down 95S past W Palouse River Dr to the 2700 block is just providing perspective. It's not to be reinterpreted and AFAIK they have not requested any other boundary. ICBW, probably am, but if they wanted Wasankari Construction camera, wouldn't they just ask for it and not leave people to interpret the difference between map and screenshot?

 

[kbckcern22]

Did they not all die in bed?

some of us, after the coroner released a statement, possibly some victims may have been in bed during the attack, but it didn’t end there.Imo

I tend to believe E died outside the bedroom, and was the first victim seen by the surviving roommates


ETA: my spelling and grammar sucks

 

[Stratocaster]

Overkill, targeted crime of passion....rage killing 4 people in that time frame there will be perp DNA everywhere.....God bless the advancements in DNA testing to help solve this unimaginable crime

 

[BondGirl007]

Houses are usually rented out as an entire unit. Apartments tend to be rented bed by bed

Actually it's the opposite.

 

[Boratsagdiyev]

Actually it's the opposite.

Not in my experience or the college I went to

 

[Emerald1328]

Did they not all die in bed?

They did not. Check out this post I made earlier tonight

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ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

 

[Curious Me]

I've put together a Google album of many of the photos posted in the news articles on the media thread. A link to the article where the image was obtained is listed in the description of each photo.
University of Idaho Press Photos

Thank You so much for getting all these photos in one place, @cujenn81. You're amazing. It's excellent, even has a trail to the news articles. I got to see more pics of that tracking dog that I hadn't seen before. All your hard work is really appreciated by all of us here. A big thank you. ​

UI Student Murders · Nov 26, 2022 – Jan 5, 2024 📸

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[FruitTingles]

My sincere condolences to this young lady. I can't imagine her pain.

However, LE is not "throwing around the term targeted". They've confirmed it.

• 'We still believe it was a targeted attack based on the evidence at the scene and how everything developed, what we know. We believe that's accurate,' he (Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell) said

Idaho police can't corroborate claims that victim had a stalker

Police investigating the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students have insisted at least one of the victims was targeted - but refuse to say which of the friends could have been the focus.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I’m thinking AG, and the family, are possibly not being told why LE consider it targeted and are keeping it from them to protect the investigation, and she is probably frustrated by this. JMO

 

[di anna]

If all the victims had a picture taken together the day of the murders, then WHO
was the photographer that took the picture? All of the students that lived there + Ethan.

 

[TKG]

Actually it's the opposite.

KG had moved out and IMO the vacant room was her old room. She was back to share her new vehicle with M, her best friend.
ETA quote:

"Twenty-one-year-olds Kaylee Goncalves and Madison “Maddie” Mogen were best friends from childhood. (Goncalves documented their long friendship in an Instagram slideshowthis May.) A general studies major and a member of the Alpha Phi sorority, Goncalves was set to graduate early, next month. She already had a job lined up and had just bought her first car, a 2016 Range Rover. In fact, although she’d been staying with her family the week before, she was at the Moscow house specifically to show her new ride to Mogen and hang out for the weekend. She had recently broken up with her boyfriend of six years, with whom she shared a dog, but her mother indicated that the two were reconciling."

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

One poster mentioned stabbing through bones and tendons and muscles, but in the abdomen and neck, there is a lot of damage that can be done without going through bone.

That was me and neck is still trickier than you think. in one of my posts, I linked to information from a Navy Seal trainer who describes in detail how to kill that way. It's tricky business. There are seven bones in the neck that are connected by ligaments, tendons and muscles, and the jugular and carotid aren't just a pinprick away. Also, with those cuts you have pulsing and squirting. in the abdomen, that's a slower death, but egad, ever seen an abdomen splayed open? Also, didn't LE say neck/upper torso?

I don't discount the fact that this could be a woman. But it was not an Elle Woods Gone Bad type.

The lack of a sexual component -- thrill killers do not kill for the sex of it. And we don't know that he didn't have sex; we just know he didn't have it with them.