ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

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  • #801
Not sure if that's the case. LE has said multiple times they believe the killer entered through the sliding glass door on the first floor. <modsnip>
I've already been wondering about whether the killer was waiting inside the home. However I still have to wonder about him leaving afterwards. even though there doesn't appear to have many if any survillence cameras in the area
 
  • #802
I was wondering about the living conditions. When I was in college, Greek members had to live in their houses. Is this not true at U of I? Or were the victims living on King because of problems in the sorority house?
Most sorority and fraternities I’ve been to only have enough beds for 1/3-1/2 of the members so people live there for a year if they want to but aren’t required.
 
  • #803
So, Maddie and Xana both dropped out of their sorority last semester? What's up with that?
perhaps some bad things happened that are being covered up by the sorority and the school under Title IX
 
  • #804
KG had moved out and IMO the vacant room was her old room. She was back to share her new vehicle with M, her best friend.
ETA quote:

"Twenty-one-year-olds Kaylee Goncalves and Madison “Maddie” Mogen were best friends from childhood. (Goncalves documented their long friendship in an Instagram slideshowthis May.) A general studies major and a member of the Alpha Phi sorority, Goncalves was set to graduate early, next month. She already had a job lined up and had just bought her first car, a 2016 Range Rover. In fact, although she’d been staying with her family the week before, she was at the Moscow house specifically to show her new ride to Mogen and hang out for the weekend. She had recently broken up with her boyfriend of six years, with whom she shared a dog, but her mother indicated that the two were reconciling."

We actually don' know if she had moved out. Typically, rent is paid on the first of the month so if she was staying with her parents the week before, which means she was likely in her room for approximately the first week.

I suspect that for the month of November, she planned to spend time with friends and family, clear out her room, find someplace to live in Texas and have her possessions shipped directly to her new place. Moving twice makes no sense.
 
  • #805
are the survivors in protective custody? are they in danger?
Good question, I hope they are safe with family. I cannot imagine what these ladies are going through physically and mentally.
 
  • #806
Then factor in not only the monetary loss, but the sense of betrayed trust or loyalty directed at the possible whistle blower.

I would not be surprised if every biker club, fraternity, sorority, sports team etc. has some members who invest disproportionate amounts of their self esteem, money, time into the group.

These same members also derive disproportionate amounts of their social standing from the group and can takes things like real or perceived betrayal of or disloyalty to the group, well..... "more seriously" than others.

Though I am not comparing biker to Greeks directly, at their core, both are groups of humans who pledge to support each other and then spend alot of time and money doing so. This can generate similar expectations.

My fraternity (Sigma Omega Lamda Nu- Socially Awkward Library Nerd) did not permit much contact with Greeks. I do, however, remember one fraternity on my campus with a reputation for being "rough around the edges". Members were rumored to engage in night club fights, and known to aggressively intimidate student referees at intramural sports.

Perhaps such a fraternity could have a larger number of intense members? To paraphrase a famous police saying: "The murderer only needs to have a motive. It does not need to be a good motive".

Even still, and as you imply, it seems like a stretch. But... somebody had a motive.
In my experience, frats/sororities with bad reputations are known widely on campus. At my undergrad, every incoming female student was almost immediately told to stay away from Pike (“pike spikes,” which I have heard on several other campuses) and triangle frats. I feel like if E’s frat had a reputation like that, we would already know. As for being kicked off campus… I know triangle still had a house in the middle of campus and I think pike did too (I was never involved in Greek life and can’t remember where that house was).
 
  • #807
perhaps some bad things happened that are being covered up by the sorority and the school under Title IX
In my experience it is pretty common for girls to drop out of sororities junior/senior year. It is a huge monetary and time commitment at a time when most college kids are starting to become increasingly focused on their future careers. This is not uncommon and would not mean that they were shunned socially from members of Greek life or their own sorority
 
  • #808
perhaps some bad things happened that are being covered up by the sorority and the school under Title IX
Is there something that you can link to try to understand what you are saying here? I'm confused.
 
  • #809
what makes you think that? just curious
Honesty I’m not sure! Until recently I haven’t had any opinion on what happened/who did this, beyond that it was a solo male. No theory on the reason, age/location of the perp, who was attacked first, who was or wasn’t a target, how the attack unfolded, etc. I haven’t gotten any bad vibes from any of the players in the crime, even peripheral ones and actually still don’t have a suspect in mind. And when I say I think it may be connected with Greek life, I’m not even sure what I mean by that - whether it was a student in a frat/sorority, whether something happened at the Sigma Chi party Ethan and Xana were at that night, whether it’s connected to any of the specific sororities/fraternity the victims were members of, I just don’t know. I think it’s just a gut feeling based on what little we know, don’t know and my experience with past cases.

Not helpful, I know ;)
 
  • #810
I believe that there was only one target and here’s why: It’s not super uncommon for girls of this age to sleep in the sand bed in a non sexual manner, especially when coming back from the bars; I know plenty of pairs of girls that lived together in college that would do this. When you factor in that KG was graduating early and getting ready to leave it wouldn’t surprise me if they were in the same room. Especially when you look at the fact that they both called the ex boyfriend. Perp walks in the sliding glass doors in the back, up the stairs to whichever girls room was the target, finds both MM and KG, stabs them both, as perp is walking back downstairs, EC hears the disturbance and confronts them, he’s murdered,<modsnip>, and XK is stabbed as well as she witnessed EC’s murder. This explains the girls downstairs being spared as well. Just my opinion
My theory exactly! Sometimes things are just that simple
 
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  • #811
saw someone passed out

Has there been confirmation that the survivors "saw" someone passed out, or if they had just "assumed" someone was passed out due to other circumstances (not answering a knocked door, not answering texts, etc.)?
 
  • #812

Steve Goncalves, the father of 21-year-old victim Kaylee Goncalves, sheds new light on what he believes happened the night of the quadruple murder. READ MORE: https://abcn.ws/3UhL0wo
 
  • #813
Just marking my spot so I can find my way back here later.
 
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  • #815
Something I do wonder is if the two unharmed roommates who had their doors locked did actually hear something and that something is what prompted them to lock their doors. Perhaps they were too scared and/or in a state of shock to leave their rooms after that, and were maybe even feeling guilty (survivors guilt), hence why they had friends come over hours later and in their company the 911 call was made.

Just a theory.
 
  • #816
(snippets from article)


"Goncalves added, "My wife's biggest fear, part of the reason we didn't have a funeral, is because she couldn't be guaranteed that that monster was going to not be there.""

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"You can't imagine sending your girl to college and they come back ... in an urn," Goncalves said. "You're numb ... you can't absorb that amount of pain and agony."

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The murder weapon -- which police believe to be a fix-blade knife -- has not been found.

Goncalves said the victims suffered "large punctures" from a "brutal weapon."
 
  • #817
<snipped & BBM>

Snell said authorities also believe the attack "was a targeted incident" toward one or more of the three women who lived there. Chapin, the sole male victim did not live at the home and was visiting his girlfriend, Kernodle.

As for who was the target, that information is not publicly known.

When Snell was asked "who was targeted or were there multiple people that were targeted doing that, that incident," he said the information was "pertinent to the investigation" but "ultimately will come out."

Snell also assured community members that investigators are utilizing the best technology available to get a picture of the series of events of Nov. 13.

Idaho Student murders update: Police say why key details are being withheld from the public
 
  • #818
I stated several threads back that perhaps X&E picked up K&M from the food truck and that is how they knew all of them arrived around 1:45 (1:56).

MOO
IF X and E picked up K and M and brought them to the house, then wouldn't all four should be visible on the Ring footage, and wouldn't they have been seen parking the car on that footage since the car was there when the police arrived after the 911 call?
 
  • #819
Depending on the target location, could a single stab wound kill someone? If the killer was able to take the majority of them out on the first stab then he likely wouldn’t have left much of his own DNA behind.

I don’t think he was some experienced killer. I think it was more that he was well armed and suited (the knife style, gloves, etc.) and got lucky (lack of ring cameras, at night, targets in a state of sleep, etc.). At least that’s where I’m at right now with the case.

/ JMO
Yes and extremely quickly depending on what was hit. A stab to the thoracic aorta will kill almost instantly due to massive blood loss
Moo
 
  • #820
Has there been confirmation that the survivors "saw" someone passed out, or if they had just "assumed" someone was passed out due to other circumstances (not answering a knocked door, not answering texts, etc.)?
I don’t think there is but if all the bedroom doors were closed and they went and knocked and no one answered, there was no blood or sign of forced entry, I would just assume no one else was home
 
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