ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

[clearskies1]

I believe that there was only one target and here’s why: It’s not super uncommon for girls of this age to sleep in the sand bed in a non sexual manner, especially when coming back from the bars; I know plenty of pairs of girls that lived together in college that would do this. When you factor in that KG was graduating early and getting ready to leave it wouldn’t surprise me if they were in the same room. Especially when you look at the fact that they both called the ex boyfriend. Perp walks in the sliding glass doors in the back, up the stairs to whichever girls room was the target, finds both MM and KG, stabs them both, as perp is walking back downstairs, EC hears the disturbance and confronts them, he’s murdered, <modsnip: rumor>, and XK is stabbed as well as she witnessed EC’s murder. This explains the girls downstairs being spared as well. Just my opinion

I totally agree. Although LE reported that there was no sign of sexual assault, that could have been the motive. If the perp was surprised that M & K were in the same room, he may have felt forced to abandon a planned sexual assault. However, attempting a sexual assault in a large house with potential housemates is clearly very risky. Then again, attempting to kill someone in that situation (i.e., potential housemates) is also very risky. JMO.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I find this incredibly confusing.

Shortly before noon: Two surviving roommates wake up. After finding one of the victims on the second floor unresponsive, they call friends over to the house.

Timeline: Retracing the final night of murdered Idaho university students

“There’s a lot of anxiety and a lot of people not knowing what to do to keep their friends and family safe,” one student told NewsNation.

www.kxan.com

 

[amymarie]

More important than 911?
I worked at a large university for 20 years. The campus police patrol the area. In this case I believe that campus police are also state police. They handle all the issues in and around the campus. I think there is a very high probability that the campus police were called before 911. I think the school has the ability to hinder things if they wanted for self preservation. They no doubt are preparing for a massive lawsuit.

What would the university be sued for? This happened off campus.

 

[Finders_Keepers]

So it looks like the Vigil tomorrow has been moved inside.

Whilst I don’t think it’s a deliberate act I’m sure LE are delighted at that. Far easier to surveil/record for observation a large crowd that way then outside in the dark with people joining and leaving at the back.

 

[whirrledpeas]

I don't think it's ever been released.

I meant the 3-4am time frame that has been given. Was that released/said prior to the autopsy?

 

[Sjöberg]

Sororities, both under disciplinary probation for university 'health and safety' violations pertaining to alcohol, drugs and hazing....IMO there has to be a significant backstory

I don't want to be a downer, but... My first thought was that the sororities were maybe put on probation BECAUSE of the murders. Not that the murders occurred because of the probation. It might indeed be a safety risk for them to throw parties etc with a madman on the loose with a probable connection/beef towards them. All MOO.

My fraternity was put on probation a multitude of times and the way the school found out about infractions was almost always public social media posts. In example, a picture with a keg next to our fraternity letters. What I’m getting at is that I don’t totally buy the whistleblowing theory. I doubt their sororities were put on probation for anything particularly scandalous. Could be something as simple as one of the girls getting alcohol poisoning at a registered function and having to go to the hospital. All of this is imo, of course.

Well, your example reminded me that there was indeed a report about an unconcious person from Pi Beta Phi exactly a week before at 1:35, here it is:

Exactly a week before, MPD Press Log 11/6/2022
22-M09659 Unconscious Person
Incident Address: IDAHO AVE; Pi Beta Phi
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition:
Time Reported: 01:35
Cad Comments: Complaint of 19-year-old female, not Conscious, Breathing. EMS and Officers responded. No report.

 

[XtremeScorpio]

Many folks believe that premeditated means days, weeks, months, of planning. It doesn’t. It means that you made a conscious decision anytime, right up to the moment, to kill someone.

I always thought premeditated was the primary difference between 1st & 2nd degree murder. Murder 1 would be premeditated on the fact that it was pre-planned (even minutes prior to committing the act), and Murder 2 was not planned ahead of time and done more in a heat of passion (or rage). So this is not accurate? Would you be so kind as to further elaborate so I have a better understanding? TIA

 

[CityKid]

A designated driver from the university drove the girls home.

I didn't think it was X and E; I was responding to someone who said X and E might have driven them home, which didn't make sense to me.

 

[SUSAN ANN]

Sure. Obviously a stab wound to the heart would kill immediately, but even if the murderer did not manage to locate the heart precisely, then if he stabbed the chest above it , there is a major chance he would hit the thoracic aorta, what would cause massive bleeding and basically instant death. If the murderer hit the abdomen, directly under the heart, then there is the abdominal aorta, the biggest blood vessel in the body. Rupture to it also causes very very quick death.

it will be interesting when this crime is solved. I know on a crime show I was watching a long time ago it said it can take two or three minutes for a body to bleed out but I’m sure every case is different.

 

[isabella88]

So it looks like the Vigil tomorrow has been moved inside.

Whilst I don’t think it’s a deliberate act I’m sure LE are delighted at that. Far easier to surveil/record for observation a large crowd that way then outside in the dark with people joining and leaving at the back.

It's probably going to snow tomorrow or something.

 

[XtremeScorpio]

I meant the 3-4am time frame that has been given. Was that released/said prior to the autopsy?

I believe it was released after the autopsy, when LE was able to obtain additional info to narrow down the 2a.m to 6a.m window they initially gave.

 

[tpen]

it will be interesting when this crime is solved. I know on a crime show I was watching a long time ago it said it can take two or three minutes for a body to bleed out but I’m sure every case is different.

2-3 minutes applies to other arteries like the femoral artery. For the thoracic aorta, you are looking at a very, very short period of time until unconsciousness/death

 

[MsBetsy]

One interesting thing I found was when she said she would sometimes cut through the house’s back parking lot as a short cut to go to class. She lives in a house somewhere behind the King Rd house.

This happens a lot in college in my experience - cutting down your walk especially in bad weather by going through other properties or parking lots. No one usually cares. But if several people who live nearby do this, it would 1) allow people a good look at/possibly inside the house (through windows) and 2) possibly allow for interaction(s) with some of the victims while walking through MOO

I thought about that, too. I bet a lot of people take that short cut behind the house. It would be very dark back there at night with such limited lighting. There are so many places the killer could have been waiting unseen.

 

[Charlot123]

diggndeeperstill, thank you for your awesome work! IMO this is very important information that provides a context to the murders and a potential motive- the 3 murdered girls were all members of either of these two Sororities, both under disciplinary probation for university 'health and safety' violations pertaining to alcohol, drugs and hazing....IMO there has to be a significant backstory, like an OTT hazing incident, an overdose, a student was harmed or sold drugs... the reason for the disciplinary probation, a consequence that impacts on the academic record/profile of every single sorority member.... I feel almost certain this is an In House University crime, the reason the girls were targeted and the reason the LE and the Uni are working so very hard to cover it up!!! There's going to be a massive exodus...

JMO - not necessarily anything serious. A gossip about someone being seen with another girl, and as the result, his GF broke up with him. People get incredibly mad over such things. And it is a very "girly" thing to say "look, he is cheating on you".

 

[BrownRice]

Also from article:

Goncalves said the students died quickly and did not bleed for hours, so an earlier 911 call would not have saved their lives.

"Nobody suffered and nobody felt like that kind of pain," Goncalves said.

Would they actually be able to determine based on the autopsy and the crime scene that no one suffered or felt “that kind” of pain? Maybe because he said they died quickly that he’s assuming they didn’t suffer or feel much pain? Or I wonder if he was specifically told that? I guess depending on where the wounds were, it could have been an almost instantaneous death (i.e. heart).

Or as a parent, that’s what he was told. Because to know otherwise would just be too much?

 

[Sundog]

I had only seen that a private party drove them home. Could you provide a link to this info? Thanks.

Someone posted above that in an interview with K's father, he said that the private party was a sorority-based driver who provided that service. If that is the case, then it wasn't the university that provided the ride, but a sorority. JMO.

 

[SolVic]

I’m getting Richard Speck vibes from this.

 

[Le Singe]

I believe it was released after the autopsy, when LE was able to obtain additional info to narrow down the 2a.m to 6a.m window they initially gave.

respectfully, i don't think this is correct go back and look at the first 2 threads people are already quoting the 3 am to 4 am time frame on the Monday the autopsy was not till Wednesday. I just remember this b/c it was one of my first big question how do they have the Time of death time line so tight (within an hour) so early on and before autopsy. then again i might have been reading just other posters speculation or just misremembering not 100%.

I personally think they have to have some other information because even autopsy should not be able to get the time of death so tight imo.

 

[Deleted member 718]

KG's dad explained why they didn't have a funeral as they were afraid the killer might attend. Has anyone found an obit for her? tia

 

[Sundog]

More important than 911?
I worked at a large university for 20 years. The campus police patrol the area. In this case I believe that campus police are also state police. They handle all the issues in and around the campus. I think there is a very high probability that the campus police were called before 911. I think the school has the ability to hinder things if they wanted for self preservation. They no doubt are preparing for a massive lawsuit.

The U of Idado apparently contracts their public safety with the local LE, they do not have their own campus police officers.