ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 16

[BeginnerSleuther]

Are you sure about that? In the medical field, unresponsive simply means the person doesn't respond when you talk to them or gently shake them. They may have fainted, be under influence of something, be knocked out, or even dying. That could easily apply so someone suffering some kind of vasovagal or neurocadiogenic syncope.

Not usually. Someone has to be unconscious to be called unresponsive. Syncopal episodes, in and of themselves, without loss of consciousness would not be categorized as unresponsive, even if the individual doesn't respond when spoken to.

 

[hopewell]

If it was the house that was targeted and not a specific victim, then it makes sense that the FBI/BAU was called in virtually immediately. This is likely an established serial killer.

My opinion.

 

[Trouble1321075]

I have been focusing my attention on things we do know about this crime.

We know that it was down in the 20s and the ground was icy and snowy.

We know that the terrain surrounding the home is fairly steep and obscured by flora on the back side and fairly open and level in the front.

We know that the area is very dark at night according to the residents in the neighborhood. They use flashlights to both see and be seen when walking their pets at night.

We think the sliders were illuminated by the Christmas lights hanging over the patio.

The neighborhood itself only has one way in and one way out if traveling by a car.

If the killer escaped by car he would of had to use Taylor rd to flee and i would be very surprised if the police didnt have video of his car that night.

What if he were on foot?

Because of the weather conditions and the terrain he could not of traveled far (maybe a mile or two?) but he could of traveled stealthily due to the limited visability of the area.

I'm thinking the killer would be dressed for the cold and could of worn a heavy coat, ski mask, and gloves, without drawing any suspicions and also concealing a bloody mess of his indoor clothing.

If he was traveling on foot in pitch blackness he could not of been careful with where he was stepping. I think it's likely he would leave behind footprints at least.

By foot or by car I think the police have some evidence indicating what route the killer used to get away.

Knowing what we know I'm inclined to think this was done on foot by someone who lives close by. Someone who understood the physical challenges of getting in and out undetected and the advantages they could exploit to achieve their goal.

I also believe that while this might of been an act of rage. It was not done spontaneously. This was planned out. The grudge might be from months or even year's ago as opposed to something that happened earlier that night.

Anyhow that's my 2 cents of my latest pondering of this.

 

[Seni]

So the vigil is being live-streamed? On one hand I understand, but, from an investigative point of view, I think it adds an extra layer of complexity since virtually anyone can watch it and you lose the benefit of the killer only having the option of showing up in person. Also, am I reading it correctly that there are 3 simultaneous vigils? 1) UofI Moscow campus 2) UofI Boise campus 3) College of Eastern Idaho campus (combination vigil for UofI Idaho Falls, Idaho State University, and College of Eastern Idaho)

"FOX 13 plans to stream Wednesday's vigil on fox13seattle.com and will also be streamed at uidaho.edu/live."

VIDEO: Victims' families urge love, kindness as Idaho campus mourns

As hundreds of students mourned together inside the University of Idaho’s stadium Wednesday night, family members of four slain classmates urged them to raise their eyes from grief and focus on love and the future.

www.q13fox.com

No, there will be one vigil and two additional events:

There'll be an event at University of Idaho's Boise campus on Wednesday at 6 p.m. MST to be in sync with the Moscow vigil. This event will be in front of the University of Idaho Water Center at the corner of Front Street and S. Broadway Avenue.


U of I Idaho Falls, Idaho State University and College of Eastern Idaho will have an event also Wednesday at 6 p.m. MST. They will be in the cafeteria located in Building Three on the College of Eastern Idaho campus, 1600 S. 25th E., Idaho Falls.

 

[itsrak]

I agree.

I believe that they do have a poi or more. Law enforcement keeps a tight lid on many aspects of the investigation for the reasons you state in most cases and I'd also bet the Farm that there is a lot that hasn't been divulged. Just my opinion of course. With the crime scene being as described I'd find it hard pressed for the killer to not leave any DNA behind or maybe some other piece of evidence. There are other elements at play here that they do not want released for sure.

Interesting fact that caught my eye was that there was no evidence of forced entry. The surviving roommates have been cleared. Did they leave a door or window unlocked accidentally? Very strange circumstance in my opinion. Either way, I think the point of entry was from the back of the house where the sliding glass doors are or around that area.

Surviving RMs have been cleared by LE, but any BFs they may have, have not.

 

[Strong1]

LE in this case is not looking too impressive to me at the moment.

I'm not sure that's a fair statement at this point. Clearly they are keeping things internal. Just because they are not releasing a bunch of info doesn't mean they don't have anything. There are a lot of agencies working on this case. So I tend to want to give them some leeway and see where it goes. It's frustrating to have so little coming from LE but hopefully that is being done for a reason.

 

[WildWest]

Plausible but i would think if anyones going to break into a house to commit that kind of crime they would check the vehicles. If he did come round the back and went down that icey slope, i hope he fell on his butt.

pictures I saw looked like the snow was melted where the sun hit, did I miss ice?

 

[TooMuchGun]

If it was the house that was targeted and not a specific victim, then it makes sense that the FBI/BAU was called in virtually immediately. This is likely an established serial killer.

My opinion.

when was the addition put on? Lot of people besides students know that house intimately

 

[diggndeeperstill]

In looking at the university's published Clery Act report for 2022 on page 76, I see 5 reports for stalking in 2022. I wonder if LE has taken a look at those reports?

Public Safety, Security and Parking | University of Idaho

U of I’s Office of Public Safety, Security and Parking promotes a safe campus, preventing crime and supporting students, employees and visitors.

www.uidaho.edu

 

[itsrak]

I have been focusing my attention on things we do know about this crime.

We know that it was down in the 20s and the ground was icy and snowy.

We know that the terrain surrounding the home is fairly steep and obscured by flora on the back side and fairly open and level in the front.

We know that the area is very dark at night according to the residents in the neighborhood. They use flashlights to both see and be seen when walking their pets at night.

We think the sliders were illuminated by the Christmas lights hanging over the patio.

The neighborhood itself only has one way in and one way out if traveling by a car.

If the killer escaped by car he would of had to use Taylor rd to flee and i would be very surprised if the police didnt have video of his car that night.

What if he were on foot?

Because of the weather conditions and the terrain he could not of traveled far (maybe a mile or two?) but he could of traveled stealthily due to the limited visability of the area.

I'm thinking the killer would be dressed for the cold and could of worn a heavy coat, ski mask, and gloves, without drawing any suspicions and also concealing a bloody mess of his indoor clothing.

If he was traveling on foot in pitch blackness he could not of been careful with where he was stepping. I think it's likely he would leave behind footprints at least.

By foot or by car I think the police have some evidence indicating what route the killer used to get away.

Knowing what we know I'm inclined to think this was done on foot by someone who lives close by. Someone who understood the physical challenges of getting in and out undetected and the advantages they could exploit to achieve their goal.

I also believe that while this might of been an act of rage. It was not done spontaneously. This was planned out. The grudge might be from months or even year's ago as opposed to something that happened earlier that night.

Anyhow that's my 2 cents of my latest pondering of this.

For all we know, the killer didn't walk or drive away. He may not have left at all. He may have spent the night - with one of the surviving RMs!

 

[lucidium]

If it was the house that was targeted and not a specific victim, then it makes sense that the FBI/BAU was called in virtually immediately. This is likely an established serial killer.

My opinion.

That's quite a leap when there's no evidence the house was targeted.

EDIT:
Thanks to crax.t for linking the source video on Twitter. Brian Entin said:

I am told by the prosecutor that they don't have evidence of which victim was specifically targeted, they just feel the house in general was targeted.

My guess is that this is that something was communicated poorly. I suspect "the house in general" was an inelegant way of restating that there is no evidence of any one individual being targeted.

 

[Warwick7]

This is my best effort at a transcription of the video:

“911 call came in for an unresponsive female, an unresponsive person. And so when officers arrived they addressed that issue and then as well two additional people were found.”

(Video is spliced here)

“Two individuals were found on the second floor and two individuals were found on the third floor.”

My comment, it appears the unconscious female (person) was not one of the murdered victims but one of the roommates. Otherwise, why would it seem somewhat dismissive that the police "addressed that issue" and then "two additional people were found. After the spliced video, clarity about where the bodies were found. MOO

When I listened to it, I didn't catch enough.

Thank you for the transcribing! It does sound very much like a surviving victim was unresponsive. Had she fainted? Or was she hungover?

Either or...once they addressed that, they found two other people. Then 2 more on the third floor.
Wow!

 

[Snoop Sister]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597731797328019461

So much about an “unconscious person”...

Kaylee’s dad said it might have been in reference to his daughter. But remember, he himself has said he doesn’t have much information about his daughter’s death. I think the explanation of the 911 call today LE is more accurate and it was about one of surviving roommate.

 

[WildWest]

i dont believe that's at the king st house. i could be mistaken.

agree

 

[crax.t]

That's quite a leap when there's no evidence the house was targeted.

at the end of this video BE states that he was told the house in general was the target

-edit removed the link because it's acting weird on my end. it was posted a few pages back

 

[Trouble1321075]

i'm going to repost this since i asked it shortly before the previous thread closed, in case anyone wants to discuss further:

how to do you think the perp got to scene? walked there or drove?

Moo...

They walked a short distance.

 

[Curious Me]

MSN

www.msn.com

"In the 1992 case, Zabel and her roommates attended a Sigma Chi party – just as Kernodle and her boyfriend, Chapin, had the night before they were murdered."​

 

[CaneDubs]

Does anyone have an opinion about M&X both leaving their sorority? Is that common?

It was not uncommon when I was in a sorority. It’s expensive and time consuming to remain active, so sometimes people opt out after a couple years, especially if they have established their social circle.

 

[BlueTunes]

IMO that to me almost solidifies that it was X there. especially in combination with Snell slipping up and saying unresponsive female.

JMO I’m leaning more towards it being one of the survivors that fainted. If it or any of the victims, they would have been very bloodied up. The survivor would have told the dispatcher that but she didn’t. The fact that the dispatcher relayed to LE it was an unresponsive person call and not a potential homicide is proof of that.

 

[CrownCowboy1]

Surviving RMs have been cleared by LE, but any BFs they may have, have not.

And that may be the path they are on to...