ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 16

[girlrx]

"Unresponsive" is a term that is generally used for dead or comatose people etc. It isn't used for people who have fainted etc.

I do not agree, respectfully. We use that term for alive people in the medical field when getting CPR certified .

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597732714060591108

It's pretty sad watching the cars being towed away. I'm sure the killer is watching those clips. He's the reason why those cars are being towed. I just found it to be a tough video to watch.

 

[WildWest]

I can lock my bedroom from outside and anyone try it, it’s pretty commen

Yes, I'm curious if they were normal residential locking knobs or if they upgraded to exterior locking doors w/keys since the house was rented out "per room".

 

[Bliss_Perth]

had already posted it further up but here it is again

definitely gives a new interpretation to this aspect

Thankyou! My heart just breaks for him and the families. They're in a place nobody will understand unless you lived it.

 

[Snoop Sister]

No. "Unresponsive" is never used for people who have fainted.

the wording might depend on your geographical area that you live. To me that can and does describe someone who has fainted and not responding. Just took this in my updated CPR certification.

 

[whirrledpeas]

But that's the coroner. She's elected and I believe is a nurse. What it sounded like you were saying is that you knew as a face that crime scene investigators did not make note of the temperature of the bodies at the scene...that's what has me confused. I feel like we're talking about 2 different things, lol.

The only person, traditionally, qualified enough to perform benchmark testing (organ temperature, etc.) on a person who has died is a medical examiner. I interned at the ME’s office in my state and when rural areas would get homicides, she would be called to those scenes to perform that testing.

So, by deduction, crime scene investigators would not have done this as they are unqualified to do so not to mention they wouldn’t have had the tools or equipment to do it.

Not trying to argue semantics but for my own sleuthing purposes, I feel that this not being done was either a missed opportunity to narrow time of death or they already had a reason to believe time of death was the 3-4am slot they released.

If a verified professional sees this and can speak to the fact only MEs can perform temp checks, please feel free. This is how it is in my state.

MOO

 

[Cryptic]

Investigators believe the weapon used in the brutal slaying was a combat knife and it could’ve been sourced for the University of Idaho ROTC program, said a law enforcement source.

"Police believe a Ka-Bar-style knife was used in the murders, and they’ve already ruled out that type of weapon was for sale at a local store,” a case insider told RadarOnline.com.

I can see why they want to run it down, but I strongly suspect that it is going to be another dead end.

I was never issued a Kabar or similar knife for any ROTC training. They may have been some in the supply room that were just not issued out.

But... if the ROTC department has any on hand, they are probably considered weapons and not tools. Accordingly, they would be meticulously accounted for in the supply room. \

In the end, Kabars can be sourced far more easily from the home town pawn shop, and especially from Amazon and Ebay than they can from the ROTC department.

 

[Hank0723]

First post & I’ve lurked from the beginning. (I like to be fully informed.) What a horrific tragedy. I can’t get it out of my mind. It’s one of my worst fears. My daughter also is involved with Greek life & resides off campus. (Not in Idaho)

I think Kaylee, Maddie or both were the targets. I don’t think the perp had a hard time seeing as they had fairy/led lights all over the house. I believe he entered from the sliding door & went to the 3rd floor, knowing that was Kaylee’s room as u could see in the windows. I think Ethan & Xana heard something, he went to investigate & encountered the killer. Then he attacked Xana. I tend to think he wasn’t aware of the 2 on the bottom floor. It doesn’t seem a frenzied killer would be charitable in that way, letting them live. Of course idk for sure & the surviving girls haven’t spoken to anyone to verify events.

I’m not sure about 3-4 am either. K&M were making calls until nearly 3 & unless they passed out immediately, I tend to lean more toward 4-5. ‍

Excellent theories & comments from all. Love this community

First post & I’ve lurked from the beginning. (I like to be fully informed.) What a horrific tragedy. I can’t get it out of my mind. It’s one of my worst fears. My daughter also is involved with Greek life & resides off campus. (Not in Idaho)

I think Kaylee, Maddie or both were the targets. I don’t think the perp had a hard time seeing as they had fairy/led lights all over the house. I believe he entered from the sliding door & went to the 3rd floor, knowing that was Kaylee’s room as u could see in the windows. I think Ethan & Xana heard something, he went to investigate & encountered the killer. Then he attacked Xana. I tend to think he wasn’t aware of the 2 on the bottom floor. It doesn’t seem a frenzied killer would be charitable in that way, letting them live. Of course idk for sure & the surviving girls haven’t spoken to anyone to verify events.

I’m not sure about 3-4 am either. K&M were making calls until nearly 3 & unless they passed out immediately, I tend to lean more toward 4-5. ‍

Excellent theories & comments from all. Love this community.

I agree with everything you said, except the girls on the first floor were spared because they locked their doors, just my opinion.

my first time posting also, hope its ok.

 

[cottonweaver]

Yes, I'm curious if they were normal residential locking knobs or if they upgraded to exterior locking doors w/keys since the house was rented out "per room".

I appreciate that we'll never find out - unless & until somebody is charged and then somebody leaks info before trial - but if the perp did lock some or all of the doors after killing the victims that is very methodical in the circumstances.

In comparison to phrases we've heard from the experts and commentators so far
' disorganised crime scene'
' crime of passion'

' sloppy mess' ( from one of the parents so the real quote may have got lost in translation due to the stress, misinterpreted etc)

Univ. of Idaho killer was ‘sloppy,’ left ‘mess’ of evidence, victim’s family says

The investigation into the brutal stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students has stalled one week after the unspeakable tragedy due to the massive “mess” of evidence left behi…

nypost.com

 

[Bliss_Perth]

Or he came in the back of the house (i.e. sliding door) and didn’t even look at the cars parked out front.

Plausible but i would think if anyones going to break into a house to commit that kind of crime they would check the vehicles. If he did come round the back and went down that icey slope, i hope he fell on his butt.

 

[Sjöberg]

30 minutes in she asks:
1 Is the weapon connected to the ROTC?
2 Has the BAU developed a profile yet?
3 Have they ruled out possibility killer is female?

Thanks! Took the plunge and the text was ca "Can you lend any insights into the possibility that the murderweapon is linked to the ROTC programme and also you mentioned that the analyzis unit is here will we be able to hear anything from them about a working profile they possibly have? Umm. And, on that note, have you guys ruled out the possibilty that the killer might be a female?" MOO: So yeah, kinda odd fame-seeking and possible health issues.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Or he came in the back of the house (i.e. sliding door) and didn’t even look at the cars parked out front.

I thought this too but then if you're going to commit murder, you'd think you'd check the whole vicinity of where victims are. Random example: what if 2 people were out having a cigarette outside the front door?

 

[lucidium]

I have believed targeted to mean building, college, college students in general..
people.
What . if any, known groups would consider a mass murder a positive? By knife?
How closely are these groups geographically located?

Targeted means a specific person or people. That is why LE believes others in the community are not at risk. From their FAQ:

Is the Public in danger?

Anytime there is a crime against a person, there is a potential danger to the general public. However, detectives believe these murders were targeted. As always, stay vigilant and look out for one another.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I do not agree, respectfully. We use that term for alive people in the medical field when getting CPR certified .

Agreed! I just updated my CPR and unresponsive is used for a few reasons, one of which, is fainting.

 

[Friday Fan]

Stupid observation, maybe everyone else has noticed this:
We likely know the whereabouts of K and M on the evening of the 12-13th because they were 21. They were at a bar. They had been legally drinking.

E and X were relegated to under 21 activities.

(If everyone thinks I'm kinda weird, I went to college when the drinking age was 18)

If someone from the Sigma Chi house was involved, they will catch them.
I wonder if E and X were walking that night or were they driving? I wonder what time his vehicle arrived at the 1122 King Rd? If they went to a party at the Sigma Chi house and came directly home, it's entirely possible that he parked at 1122 King and walked to and from the party. There is a concrete path across the street from house that leads to directly to the frat house. I think it's about a five minute walk.

I often wonder how often E slept over? Is it possible there was an informal living arrangement? I can't find any indication of where he lived. (No address needed) But did he live within close walking distance etc?

 

[layer]

LE in this case is not looking too impressive to me at the moment.

They can only do what they can with what they have to work with. It takes time, and sometimes luck to solve difficult cases. Life is not an episode of CSI. To me, they have been refreshingly open about sharing information so far. Maybe that's just because I follow Delphi...

 

[Balthazar]

No. "Unresponsive" is never used for people who have fainted.

Are you sure about that? In the medical field, unresponsive simply means the person doesn't respond when you talk to them or gently shake them. They may have fainted, be under influence of something, be knocked out, or even dying. That could easily apply so someone suffering some kind of vasovagal or neurocadiogenic syncope.

 

[crax.t]

Stupid observation, maybe everyone else has noticed this:
We likely know the whereabouts of K and M on the evening of the 12-13th because they were 21. They were at a bar. They had been legally drinking.

E and X were relegated to under 21 activities.

(If everyone thinks I'm kinda weird, I went to college when the drinking age was 18)

If someone from the Sigma Chi house was involved, they will catch them.
I wonder if E and X were walking that night or were they driving? I wonder what time his vehicle arrived at the 1122 King Rd? If they went to a party at the Sigma Chi house and came directly home, it's entirely possible that he parked at 1122 King and walked to and from the party. There is a concrete path across the street from house that leads to directly to the frat house. I think it's about a five minute walk. View attachment 383611

I often wonder how often E slept over? Is it possible there was an informal living arrangement? I can't find any indication of where he lived. (No address needed) But did he live within close walking distance etc?

from interviews with Xs family it seems like it was kind of an informal living arrangement as in like... they were dating so he might as well have been considered a roommate from how often he slept over kind of sentiment. IMO

i agree with the possible reasoning for why we dont know much about XE's nights because underage and likely to protect the appearance of Sigma Chi.

as for E's address, i dont think that has been confirmed anywhere.

 

[whirrledpeas]

No. "Unresponsive" is never used for people who have fainted.

“Emergency medical dispatch protocols usually recognize only two mental states: conscious and unconscious. People who are awake are considered conscious; anyone not awake is unconscious.”

“Unresponsive–is a rating tool for levels of consciousness.”

Unconscious, Unresponsive, or Underestimated? - Fire Engineering: Firefighter Training and Fire Service News, Rescue

Emergency medical dispatch protocols usually recognize only two mental states: conscious and unconscious. People who are awake are considered conscious; anyone not awake is unconscious.

www.fireengineering.com

 

[SRWCF]

BBM there are some door locks that are locked from the inside. So you turn the lock while inside the room, then step out in the hall, shutting the door behind you and the door is now locked. The perp could have done that, if the doors had that kind of lock, and then the surviving roommates would have been locked out.

Standard bedroom and bathroom doors have locks on the inside. (That may even be a city code requirement during the building or remodel process.) Having locks on the OUTSIDE of bedroom or bathroom doors would be kind of weird, not to mention a hazard.

The house was recently updated/remodeled. If you Google Images the address, you'll find some pictures from an old listing. The place looked really worn and outdated, sort of like what you'd expect of a college town rental. The upgrades to the house were a huge improvement.

Old listing: 1122 King Rd | Moscow, Idaho
New listing: 1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow