ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 16

[Warwick7]

So empty......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597743476762083329

 

[Peppery]

If local LE are already working with the FBI, why would they need to work with another state's investigative unit? Idaho State Police, Michigan State Police, Illinois State Police are equivalent to GBI and TBI. The FBI office in Boise, Idaho would be able to draw upon the resources they need, IMO.

I was thinking economy of scale and subject matter experts.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes, it is overwhelmingly sad.
It is as though the last vestiges of the beautiful lives that filled 1122 King Rd are gone,
leaving their ghostly shadows, surrounded by the light snow, behind on the ground.

I agree..... I just saw Brian's post too....

 

[Strong1]

Yes, it is overwhelmingly sad.
It is as though the last vestiges of the beautiful lives that filled 1122 King Rd are gone,
leaving their ghostly shadows, surrounded by the light snow, behind on the ground.

It is incredibly eerie, after knowing what happened in that house.

 

[BingoBongo]

ISP is a pretty good entity. Local FBI, not so much. Just my opinion.

 

[Friday Fan]

No, the patient becomes completely unresponsive upon fainting. Fainting is caused by a sudden blood loss to the brain. Until the blood flow returns to the brain at a normal level, the person will be unresponsive and completely limp. Usually this lasts only a few minutes, however.

I have fainted. I was not completely out of it.

Syncope, commonly known as fainting, or passing out, is a loss of consciousness and muscle strength characterized by a fast onset, short duration, and spontaneous recovery Syncope (medicine) - Wikipedia

Syncope (Fainting)

Syncope (SINK-a-pee) is another word for fainting or passing out.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Why on earth would the Communications Director for the Idaho State Police discuss a fairly benign medical condition of a roommate???
Wouldn't that be a violation of the roommate's privacy??? Wouldn't that be a violation of the HIPAA Act?? Sure, he doesn't give the roommate's name, but there were only two of them and this investigation has been protecting the roommates.
Whether one of them fainted or not is not a legal issue or is it part of the murder investigation.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Kaylee’s father says his family was able to crack into Kaylee’s phone for police instead of going through a process that would have taken weeks.

“We got in there right away,” Goncalves said. “We were able to adjust some of the timelines. They didn’t have the exact same notes as we did. I heard, Ethan’s parents, I believe, suggested their timeline might need to be adjusted as well.”


Goncalves said he found out his daughter passed away five hours before officers contacted him.

“Her own cousin found out that she had passed away and contacted us and she just asked us, ‘Have you guys heard anything about Kaylee? Have you heard what’s happening?'” Goncalves said. “At that time, there were not all the details. And we were like, ‘What’s going on?'”

‘They better have something’: U of I victim’s father among many asking for answers in murder investigation

MOSCOW, ID. — Grief and the search for answers in the case of four University of Idaho students murdered in their sleep are still looming. One of the people left

www.kxly.com

Oh dear, the entire article is heartbreaking. I can't imagine their pain.

"While investigators search for a killer, he’s searching for a way to survive the pain of losing his little girl.
“I’m truly responsible for my daughter dying, ’cause it’s a father’s job to keep their children protected,” Goncalves said. “And I, obviously, didn’t live up to that.”"

 

[layer]

My guess is when Brian Entin, reporter, was told it was the house that was targeted, rather than one Individual, it meant the residents of that house as a group. JMHO …

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Frankly, that house is one big target to a sick mind. All those girls, lax security, no cameras, door frequently left unlocked, no curtains on the windows, dark neighborhood, lots of dark space in the back for peeping, studying, planning, ingress and egress. One big target.

 

[Strong1]

Such a sad sight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597743476762083329

I hope that when all this is said and done, they tear it down.

 

[CDB]

Except the surviving roommates summoned their friends over before calling 911. Why would one surviving roommate do that if the other fainted and hit her head? Doesn't make sense to me. JMO

Thanks to the link on the case update from @North_Idaho_Nony I am putting to rest the idea of a fainting RM.

Here is the explanation on that case update:
On November 13th, the surviving roommates summoned friends to the residence because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up. At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call requested aid for an unconscious person. The call was made from one of the surviving roommates’ cell phones inside the residence. Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before Moscow Police arrived at the location. Officers entered the residence and found two victims on the second floor and two victims on the third floor."

It seems very clear to me that they were attempting to contact a roommate on the second floor and were not getting a response. Likely door locked so no access. They have other friends over to also attempt to get a response, and at that point it is determined to call 911.

This seems to me to be a clearly escalating effort to contact the roommate and likely hearing the unanswered cell calls and texts, with no access to the room. Leads to a call to 911 where they believe a drunken passed out person needs help.

This, interestingly enough, also suggests the messy crime scenes were limited to the bedrooms and were hidden by a locked door.

ETA link
https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24764/11-29-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

 

[T4Tide]

It doesn’t make sense, but that’s what makes me think the killer knew X&E well enough to know this wouldn’t be abnormal for a period of time. I mean, they were a couple and surely they locked the door at intimate times. It was only after maybe an alarm was going off unanswered, or maybe the girls could hear their calls in the room going unanswered and their texts had already been unanswered that they deemed it abnormal for X&E to still be locked in her room. They may have checked the other roommates and their door was also locked. This perplexed the surviving roommates enough to call friends instead of an immediate 911 call that would secure the scene. ‍

 

[Warwick7]

“We do not have a name of a person or persons who are actual suspects.” Prosecuting attorney in Moscow, Idaho tells me they have made progress eliminating possible suspects – but don’t have a current suspect or person of interest in the University of Idaho murders.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597725255795376129

He doesn't say they don't have poi(s).

 

[Anonymom]

I have fainted. I was not completely out of it.

Syncope, commonly known as fainting, or passing out, is a loss of consciousness and muscle strength characterized by a fast onset, short duration, and spontaneous recovery Syncope (medicine) - Wikipedia

Syncope (Fainting)

Syncope (SINK-a-pee) is another word for fainting or passing out.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Why on earth would the Communications Director for the Idaho State Police discuss a fairly benign medical condition of a roommate???
Wouldn't that be a violation of the roommate's privacy??? Wouldn't that be a violation of the HIPAA Act?? Sure, he doesn't give the roommate's name, but there were only two of them and this investigation has been protecting the roommates.
Whether one of them fainted or not is not a legal issue or is it part of the murder investigation.

I don't believe he was discussing the medical condition of a roommate as much as he was explaining the original 911 call request for help for an unconscious individual, possibly a roommate, that ultimately lead to the discovery of the homicides.

 

[Warwick7]

In my opinion and considering the discussion here about the conditions that night as well as the location, I do not think that this was a random crime. The fact that there was no forced entry also leads me to think that this wasn't random. I'm not implicating anyone. The RM's have been cleared.

Although it's definitely possible, I find it strange that the surviving roommates didn't hear anything that night at all. At least from what we know of anyway. That also leads me to suspect that this wasn't random. Whoever did this knew these people and made sure that they weren't seen or heard from. With the details about the scene known, gaining entry unforced and getting away unheard and not seen in those conditions and location is not just left to lady luck.

I'd bet they heard something, locked their door(s) thinking it was a party upstairs. I. Just guessing tho.
LE keeps their cards close to their chest.

 

[SkylarSid]

So far tested evidence is not leading them to a POI…

"Critical" lab results from Idaho student murders fail to...

Idaho police are still collecting evidence, seizing five cars parked outside the house since the night of the murders.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Data Sleuth]

For all we know, the killer didn't walk or drive away. He may not have left at all. He may have spent the night - with one of the surviving RMs!

For all we know, the killer didn't walk or drive away. He may not have left at all. He may have spent the night - with one of the surviving RMs!

Per Moscow police spokesperson Snell “All individuals who were in the home when police arrived have been cleared”.
From the interview per link below.

Idaho Student murders update: Police say why key details are being withheld from the public

 

[Balthazar]

Not usually. Someone has to be unconscious to be called unresponsive. Syncopal episodes, in and of themselves, without loss of consciousness would not be categorized as unresponsive, even if the individual doesn't respond when spoken to.

But with loss of consciousness, they would be unresponsive.

 

[Deleted member 718]

LATEST MOSCOW HOMICIDE UPDATE 11/29/2022
https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24764/11-29-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

Deep sigh.

Thanks!

"On November 13th, the surviving roommates summoned friends to the residence because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up."

I'm not sure the caller even saw the victim. If she knew the victim was in her room but didn't answer through repeated calling and knocking.

 

[hopewell]

That's quite a leap when there's no evidence the house was targeted.

Speaking of leaps:

My guess is that this is that something was communicated poorly. I suspect "the house in general" was an inelegant way of restating that there is no evidence of any one individual being targeted.

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Again, we are over two weeks in, no suspects or persons of interest named, known, or hidden, 4 people methodically stabbed to death on different floors, no burglary, no sexual assault, BAU called in immediately, and a clarification by the DA that it was the house that was targeted and not a specific roommate.

That speaks to a serial killer, because the other workable theories I've seen were almost entirely dependent on one or more victims being specifically targeted.

My opinion.

 

[Data Sleuth]

And that may be the path they are on to...

Per Moscow police spokesperson Snell “All individuals who were in the home when police arrived have been cleared”.
From the interview per link below.

Idaho Student murders update: Police say why key details are being withheld from the public