ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 18

[cottonweaver]

To add that maybe the perp got tired after the first victim and didn't do as must damage to the rest. Imo.

true - or disturbed by noise etc

That's one very sick & twisted individual

but leading on from there, what if it is a young college kid? will be even more shocking for that community

 

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598528427333947392

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

It is a cryptic message:
My first interpretation is that one of the four killed victims had committed some crime and behavior changed after that leading to the killing. But that didn't make sense. He only had access to Kaylee's phone
My second thought was that one or both of the survivors changed their behavior after the murders, but that would be 100% expected.

I mean, I recognize a ton of heartfelt emotion, mingled with some apparent LE script, mingled with some conscious self-restraint, mingled with some stream of consciousness, mingled with some grappling with new terms/meanings, etc, all mixed together.

Which is completely understandable and something no parent should ever EVER have to do :*-(

 

[Soulmagent]

Perhaps the owner(s)of the residence is what they mean by ‘the residence.’ Perhaps the murders were done by someone ‘for hire’ in retribution for an acrimonious divorce or unfair inheritance situation or business deal gone wrong involving the residence. Purpose of which would be to taint the ‘residence’ ie. property.

I think he meant someone was watching the house as in the whole thing and they dont think it was only one person being watched /stalked but all of them . But they know the house was a target for something. IMO. I dont know but if you think about what he said and how it could apply ,it seems like a reasonable guess.

 

[avalonisland]

Yes I've taken all that into account. He was likely told far more by police or ME abut the crime or at least facts relevant to his daughter than the public has been told. Maybe even more than the pubic will know for some time or ever. MOO.

Also, victim's parents would receive the autopsy and police reports which would most likely state which bed each victim was found in. I wonder why LE will at least not confirm 2 beds only had stab wound blood in them since the Dad of one stated his daughter was sharing bed with another victim the night of stabbing.

 

[WildWest]

Sorry to jump ahead, but my mind is blown. If I’m correctly understanding the clip, K had not moved out as many WSs had theorized, her bed was still there & made, meaning they were murdered (or at least attacked) in M’s bed?

Is that what he’s saying, or am I misunderstanding?

Huge difference, IMHO.

I also wonder if the murderer attacked one after getting in bed but the other gal was not yet in bed and went to help.

 

[diabeticrockstar]

And if they did, and they were both in the same room, to call that often in such a short space of time reeks of desperations. Oh my. I wonder what they both so desperately wanted to call him about? I wonder if they were barricaded in their room, completely terrified of what what happening elsewhere in the house?

If they were both in separate rooms and calling, that wouldn't be so bad, but to both call him from the same room at the same time just gives of panic vibes to me.

MOO.

1) K's dad stated they "died together in the same bed" in a CNN interview/article today.
2) while it's possible your scenario happened, having been a college kid not THAT long ago, and been around my share of sorority girls coming home from a night out .... that honestly sounds like two drunk girls called her on/off boyfriend aka drunk dial.

As in... "Ugh, M, J never texted me back. I'm gonna call him!" "Oh he thinks he can ignore my call!" "M, YOU try this time!"

3) at least I hope that's what it was. I'd like to believe/want to believe that's how their night ended before falling asleep as normal and that K's dad (or was it X's?) Was right when they said it was quick and not painful and they didn't suffer.....

Your scenario just...like someone said, it's like a horror movie. (And if...a BIG IF....They were calling the BF instead of police, why wouldn't M call hers too? Or other friends? And last call be to 911 not J? That's why I feel it's a drunk dial and M was just doing her friend a solid by calling too)

 

[avalonisland]

Roughly a 4 hour gap in the timeline of E&X.

Yes but X did tell Dad at midnight something like she was watching a movie at home with E and there was a bag of consumed microwavable popcorn found at crime scene house. So, my opinion is after X&E probably enjoyed a movie at house while other roommates were out at bars. Maybe the 1AM alive roommates brought guests over?

 

[SuziQ]

true - or disturbed by noise etc

That's one very sick & twisted individual

but leading on from there, what if it is a young college kid? will be even more shocking for that community

It would be very shocking. I am having a hard time pinning down a specific perpetrator in this case. Other than I feel it is a lone actor and male. I've got nothing. And no theories either. Imo.

 

[diabeticrockstar]

And if they did, and they were both in the same room, to call that often in such a short space of time reeks of desperations. Oh my. I wonder what they both so desperately wanted to call him about? I wonder if they were barricaded in their room, completely terrified of what what happening elsewhere in the house?

If they were both in separate rooms and calling, that wouldn't be so bad, but to both call him from the same room at the same time just gives of panic vibes to me.

MOO

Exactly !!!!!

The sister who is the one that "broke the news about the calls her sister made to J (and shared it with the police)" has stated that her sister absolutely made the calls....so sounds like she probably left voice mails. She and the rest of the family have steadfastly defended the person those calls were to (the ex J). I'm guessing he probably let the family hear them. She has said all along that calls like those were pretty normal for K, especially after a night of drinking.

If the sister isn't concerned about the calls....I certainly am not going to be.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

If the residence was targeted could the reason relate back to the owner of that house? Someone with a history to the owner that wanted to inflict revenge, chaos, reprisal knowing that murdering these kids would impact this owner in many, many ways. Of course, my thinking only as we try to figure out how the 'house' could be the target and the kids were not direct targets.

I mean, anything is possible.

The owner is not & has never been as far as I know, local. I’ve lived here a long time & have friends who’ve lived here even longer. His name is unfamiliar to all of us.

So, seems unlikely any grudge someone would have against an owner would be exacted on a bunch of kids in a little college town half a country away. YMMV & JMHO.

 

[debbiediablo]

I also wonder if the murderer attacked one after getting in bed but the other gal was not yet in bed and went to help.

I think they were "drunk dialing" the ex regarding the dog's whereabouts or just for fun.

 

[avalonisland]

MOO
Catching up, is the forum of the belief that the bedroom doors were locked by the killer after the deed was done, then he vanishes without waking the two other roommates.
Curious if the doors were locked on the way out

Was there an interior door on 2nd floor at stairs leading to 1st floor? If so, did killer lock it to prevent 1st floor roommates from interior access to 2nd floor. Also, if there was a door, then perhaps killer did not go to first floor because killer did not assume there were 1-2 alive roommates on the first floor?

 

[Glumlibrarian]

I dunno ,but it did make me question if that is why he was found in the hall /living space. He may had plans to drive his car back to his room . Walked out of the bedroom and scared the murderer,who stunned Ethan causing him to fall face first .It could explain why he was where he was in the house.

I apologize, I can’t keep up. Wasn’t it confirmed/reported by MSM that it was a female roommate that the 911 call was about?

 

[Celt1997]

This is from the set of photos from Daily Mail of the interior of house through the window at dusk (someone posted link a little while ago).
Anyone study these?
In the photo below, is that the door to the bedroom to the back left on floor 2...or a pantry closet? I'm guessing a pantry door but idk.

I ask because it looks like a stain, possibly blood but could be anything. It's all along the top, as well as the side, running down like streaks of wet paint. Considering the house seems well-kept by landlord I'd doubt that they'd have a door/cupboard/pantry/whatever with wood stain marks so visible. Could it be blood?

This was discussed, at length, earlier today. That is the kitchen, and what you see is the lower half of the refrigerator door on the right, and one of the lower kitchen cabinets with the countertop on the left side. The photo was taken at a downward angle, so you are looking down at the lower half of the cabinets.

A previous photo from the 14th shows that staining is not there at that point. It is possible something spilled when they were moving things around the kitchen during investigation.

ETA: The photo attached is from the same angle on the 14th. Showing the same area.

 

[vls12345]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598498411493589001

 

[ktm44]

I mean, I recognize a ton of heartfelt emotion, mingled with some apparent LE script, mingled with some conscious self-restraint, mingled with some stream of consciousness, mingled with some grappling with new terms/meanings, etc, all mixed together.

Which is completely understandable and something no parent should ever EVER have to do :*-(

I keep thinking that this has less to do with the media preying on him than LE using the media to manipulate a suspect.

His first interview was likely voluntary but he handled it well enough that someone found a way to make him helpful.

If LE wanted it stopped, it would stop because he’s a good father and wouldn’t compromise an investigation.

His emotions are raw but he’s mentioned things that might just rattle someone hoping to escape notice.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

He has access to his daughters cell phone and likely Maddie’s cell phone as the two were very close. That’s a lot of evidence in itself without anything LE will be telling him.

I thought the phones were in evidence?

Family phone plans have been mentioned; some basic-but-detailed info is available online. I’m only familiar with 2 major carriers, so maybe more info is available with other carriers.

“Friend” location apps have been mentioned; I’m old & completely unfamiliar with their capabilities!

All MOO

 

[debirlfan]

I ask because it looks like a stain, possibly blood but could be anything. It's all along the top, as well as the side, running down like streaks of wet paint. Considering the house seems well-kept by landlord I'd doubt that they'd have a door/cupboard/pantry/whatever with wood stain marks so visible. Could it be blood?

It looks to me like heavy grain in the wood. Varnished wood tends to darken as it ages, and if there's heavy grain in the wood it can darken unevenly. This area also may be partly shadowed.

 

[ktm44]

I mean, I recognize a ton of heartfelt emotion, mingled with some apparent LE script, mingled with some conscious self-restraint, mingled with some stream of consciousness, mingled with some grappling with new terms/meanings, etc, all mixed together.

Which is completely understandable and something no parent should ever EVER have to do :*-(

I keep thinking that this has less to do with the media preying on him than LE using the media to manipulate a suspect.

His first interview was likely voluntary but he handled it well enough that someone found a way to make him helpful.

If LE wanted it stopped, it would stop because he’s a good father and wouldn’t compromise an investigation.

His emotions are raw but he’s mentioned things that might just rattle someone hoping to escape notice.