ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 18

[Sunny Texas]

JMO #3 all the way. Here’s my theory as to why.

They have his DNA but it’s NOT blood. It’s from something else but it can’t prove he was the killer that day. Why? Because he’s known to the victims. He’s been at that house before. Maybe during one of their parties. Maybe he was one of students or people that responded that day when the survivors called for help. There was a number of them that responded to the scene before police. That’s why his DNA being at the house is not enough to convict him. If they had Blood DNA it would be a VERY different story.

This would explain why the search dogs can’t help LE out. I bet the dogs did pickup a trace but the traces led to all the students or people who’ve been in that house before. Again causing me to believe that the killer that day was known to the Victims.

Dogs might not be much help if the perp lives and regularly takes walks or is a peeping Tom in the area.

 

[Snoop Sister]

DBM double post.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Kaylee's father at the vigil.

My response was to a post where I think someone misread a CNN article and thought that all 4 victims were found in the same bed. But thank you.

 

[everybodhi]

Thank you kindly. [That's not on their regular site.]
BT cited there. What about what I saw hours ago about coveting the knife?

Sad that BT is cited that way. I think he's a real straight shooter and I tend to believe him.
JMO.

City of Moscow Police
King Road Homocides

UPDATE​

(November 30, 2022)

• Conflicting information has been released over the past 24 hours. The Latah County Prosecutor’s Office stated the suspect(s) specifically looked at this residence, and that one or more of the occupants were undoubtedly targeted.
  We have spoken with the Latah County Prosecutor’s Office and identified this was a miscommunication. Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate.

 

[Snoop Sister]

K was killed in Maddies room though. Someone said k's bed was made. So no blood would be in her room.

Mr. G, Kaylee’s dad, said her bed was made.

Father of slain Idaho student: 'I'm not going nowhere' until the killer is off the streets | Fox News Video

Steve Goncalves, father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the victims of the University of Idaho murders, speaks out about the case on 'The Story with Martha MacCallum.'

www.foxnews.com

 

[Petunia83]

IMO,I think that LE believes, intuits or thinks this attack is targeted. Whether or not they can prove it in a court of law is another separate issue. Trust the police- it was probably a targeted attack-they just can’t come out and say why

Like I said, I would like to trust the police… My post specifically cited Captain Lanier using the precise word “trust”… and I would agree with you completely if this was simply a matter of what you were saying… That the police just can’t come out and say why it was targeted… I also said that in my post… I accepted that… I was fine with them not telling us why they believed it was targeted, or who the potential target or targets were. But that was an entirely different scenario altogether.

NOW, the number one thing the police have been adamantly repeating to the public, and the community and the families, since the very beginning, about these attacks being targeted… that is where all of the evidence leads, even though they can’t tell us why, we just have to trust them that it’s targeted… but instead NOW, that very thing that they have been vehemently repeating with such conviction, actually may not be the case at all. By their own admission. Now they don’t know if it was targeted at all?

As I said again, I have a great deal of respect for law-enforcement. I’m not going to go into anything political in this forum other than to say the whole “let’s not fund the police” thing is ridiculous, our law-enforcement is critical and those self sacrificing men and women do so much more for us than they ever get credit for and they do not get the respect that they deserve about 97% of the time… but… THIS was a huge disappointment… Because it WAS a trust thing… And everyone that I’ve discussed this with today is reeling, feeling the same way. Like, wait… what?? I’m not saying that is everyone’s opinion, or the correct opinion, but it is mine, and I am not alone. I can’t even imagine how the families feel.

It’s not lost on me that nearly everything related to this case cannot be disclosed to the public for very good reasons, but this was also a horrific crime, a exceedingly unusual crime, that has gained nationwide attention because of those circumstances and because of what an incredible tragedy the loss of these kids’ lives is… When literally the entire country is paying attention, because the entire country is praying for justice, and some semblance of closure for these kids, their families, and their community… AND when you STILL have such a psycho still out there on the loose, the number one thing LE professes to every media outlet from day one as essentially, the one thing they DO know out of many things they do NOT yet know… And then it turns out that one thing they were so confident of, actually, may not even be the case at all… When they tell us this, by their own admission, but try to euphemize it, calling it an “internal misunderstanding”, instead of owning it for what it is, is doubly disappointing when they emphasized how much we really need to trust them... to not own it like that, to call it a “internal misunderstanding” when it’s what they’ve publicly professed, leads to the opposite of trust. At least for me, and I think, in my opinion, significantly weakens the public’s confidence that MPD has this under control, or that we can even rely on anything else they tell us in the future now. Just how I feel. Very let down.

 

[Curiosa20]

Sorry, I missed it. Do you have a link where LE said the knife was coveted or whatever? Thanks!

EBM: hopewell, I know you’re not the one who made the LE knife claim, but I got lost trying to get back to where it originated.

FWIW, I agree with O’Toole about it — just don’t know where/when LE stated anything like that.

Here I am again
LE has not said that it is coveted. Several Profilers, including the esteemed O’Toole in different interviews suggested that he probably did not dispose of it, would not part with it because it is precious, meaningful to him. He treasures it.
Covet is an interesting word to use in this context, linguistically speaking. It’s rarely heard in secular discourse. It goes more to desiring something that does not belong to you. MOO

 

[Snoop Sister]

Here I am again
LE has not said that it is coveted. Several Profilers, including the esteemed O’Toole in different interviews suggested that he probably did not dispose of it, would not part with it because it is precious, meaningful to him. He treasures it.
Covet is an interesting word to use in this context, linguistically speaking. It’s rarely heard in secular discourse. It goes more to desiring something that does not belong to you. MOO

Agreed! That’s how I would use the word coveted.

 

[EmmieA]

Here I am again
LE has not said that it is coveted. Several Profilers, including the esteemed O’Toole in different interviews suggested that he probably did not dispose of it, would not part with it because it is precious, meaningful to him. He treasures it.
Covet is an interesting word to use in this context, linguistically speaking. It’s rarely heard in secular discourse. It goes more to desiring something that does not belong to you. MOO

@shane13: info about coveting the knife

ebm: typo!

 

[mungos]

no screaming no noise and all killed with a knife, is there a chance that the killer was in the house with them for those few hours...as their companion, drinking and eating with them?
any chance he poisoned them first?

 

[shane13]

Here I am again
LE has not said that it is coveted. Several Profilers, including the esteemed O’Toole in different interviews suggested that he probably did not dispose of it, would not part with it because it is precious, meaningful to him. He treasures it.
Covet is an interesting word to use in this context, linguistically speaking. It’s rarely heard in secular discourse. It goes more to desiring something that does not belong to you. MOO

Thanks.
Covet is used by profilers. Recall Hopkins/Dr Lector using it with Clarice. Movie/book was based on profiler.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

K's bedroom was directly above the kitchen, so it's possible that blood was dripping down from above.

But according to K’s father, they were in M’s bed.

 

[Helechawagirl]

If the residence was targeted could the reason relate back to the owner of that house? Someone with a history to the owner that wanted to inflict revenge, chaos, reprisal knowing that murdering these kids would impact this owner in many, many ways. Of course, my thinking only as we try to figure out how the 'house' could be the target and the kids

I agree. The follow-up question from the journalist on the behavior pattern thing tripped him up and he made it sound like it was the victim's behavior, but I don't believe at all that that is what he meant. I think he meant 'towards the victims'.

Wow! Just wow!

 

[WildWest]

K's bedroom was directly above the kitchen, so it's possible that blood was dripping down from above.

If it's blood, there would be a drip line above the on the siding to wick inward and drip on the pipe below the siding on the 2nd floor retaining wall, imho

 

[nightrider17]

Is K's father suggesting the new Range Rover could have some recording camera that is always recording a bit like a "alexa" that picks up information continuously??? Just trying to work out what he was alluding too. Just my Opinion.

 

[Sunny Texas]

This reminds me of a thought I have had. What is the percentage of the US population that has their DNA in the system either voluntarily or court ordered? Is this like a needle in a haystack type situation? I know that there have been successes finding perps using DNA. But, IMO, DNA is mostly used to convict than locate a perp. Imo.

If they go through a genealogy site that links your DNA to ancestors and current relatives, they could easily locate cousins, etc. For example, my own DNA has been matched to over 40,000 relatives with DNA in the system. Over 1,000 of those are 4th cousins or closer. Many of my matches are first and second cousins. The results separate out paternal from maternal, which would further narrow down potential matches. In addition to DNA matches, DNA provides a profile that pinpoints not only race/ethnicity, but also things like hair and eye color/texture and predisposition to various medical conditions. Some of my matches use a nickname and have a private profile, but many have complete ancestry trees that are public information to anyone else who has a subscription to the site. Law enforcement could easily bypass the privacy to identify immediate family members of the perpetrator.

 

[shane13]

Here I am again
LE has not said that it is coveted. Several Profilers, including the esteemed O’Toole in different interviews suggested that he probably did not dispose of it, would not part with it because it is precious, meaningful to him. He treasures it.
Covet is an interesting word to use in this context, linguistically speaking. It’s rarely heard in secular discourse. It goes more to desiring something that does not belong to you. MOO

And I don't agree with that as it's very incriminating evidence. If a safe place to discard is known, it'd likely get dumped. MOO

 

[WildWest]

I don't believe it's the Uni, but who MPD is working with.
JMO.

In my experience with CU and CSU in Colo, University police deal with small things and call in City/State/Fed LEO on bigger things. As well as this home is presumably off campus.

 

[Sunny Texas]

I am in the camp of number 2, criminal in the making, just not in the system yet.

If they are collecting data from DNA websites, they don't need his DNA to already be in the system. All they need is for him to have some distant cousins whose DNA is in the system, and it will lead them to his identity.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

And I don't agree with that as it's very incriminating evidence. If a safe place to discard is known, it'd likely get dumped. MOO

Yeah he has it but probably buried somewhere. I highly doubt the knife was thrown away.