ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 21

[layer]

Her dad specifically said that she did not call 911. She wasn't texting about hearing things or being fearful.

On one of the earliest interviews they did, her mom said that K was always on the lookout for bad guys, bordering on paranoid (my words). She said that she would call her and say someone's following her but then the person would go on their way while they were talking and they would laugh. It wasn't like she was saying she thought she had a stalker, it was more like she was saying K was very security conscious, not just naive and happy-go-lucky.

 

[TKG]

I MISSED THIS, when did KG call 911?

See comment #499, correction: SG said she DIDN"T call 911. It was interesting phrasing but my error in listening to his interview.

 

[EmmieA]

I’m not ready to conclude K was targeted just because her wounds were worse than M’s. We know nothing about X & E’s wounds.

We have possibly learned that the perp entered through the kitchen slider (which was assumed) but we don’t know where he/she went first, who was killed first — all that info would help determine who (if anyone) was targeted.

MOO

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Well that is interesting…that she did dial 911 but maybe didn’t say anything….that could account for the narrow timeframe LE gave in the beginning.

A call but not saying another or a call and hang up would initiate an LE callback and/or visit where I am, but idk if that's the same in ID. I would think it would be.

 

[wtrbrdm]

@whirrledpeas : You're still my hero.

So the point about K being targeted but them sleeping in M's room that Banfield stated might make this even more convoluted....I have to disagree. My thought is that there was probably some ambient light in the room. This house was full of fairy lights and a few neon type signs. I'd also argue that although both blonde....M is more petite than K and could definitely be rather easy to tell apart, especially after the attack started. I think this guy (yes, in my opinion...guy) has definitely been in the house or kept really close tabs on it. He knew where he was going....although he may have checked K's room first, found it empty, then straight to M's room.

This brings me back to my initial thought of K being targeted...her and M killed upstairs and that E and X heard a commotion and were attacked while he was getting out of the house. I'd be surprised if we later find that E and X were indeed NOT in their beds.....found or attacked in.

 

[EJB123456]

Thanks much! Is there a JH or maybe it was a typo I saw when rolling & scrolling?

Not to my knowledge. There is a JV who was in the food truck video (and earlier in the same bar as K and M and spoke early on about that video and goings on) and there is a JR the neighbor who gave a bunch of interviews.

 

[drmrgrl]

Not sure how to quote from a previous thread, so thanks to @scdiv for posting the following link:

Idaho college murders: Father of student speaks out | Fox News Video

Steve Goncalves, father of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves joins 'Fox & Friends' to discuss the investigation into the University of Idaho murders and talks about the life of his daughter.

www.foxnews.com

SG says at about the 1 minute mark: "They’ve said the entry point was the slider or the window on the middle floor. So to me, he doesn’t have to go upstairs. His entry and exit are available without having to go upstairs or downstairs."

IMO, and purely speculating, this seems to suggest that X&E were the 'targets'. But if this is true, what motivation would the killer have to keep killing after he already got his targets? Maybe I'm just looking too much into it and am confused by LE's back and forth with the term 'target'

No. We are all confused by the contradictory remarks.

 

[warbuckle]

Okay it’s over, Brian did not confirm where he received the information I was live posting. I will post a link once it’s up if no one else has.

Based on the previously interviewed with K parents it seems like the dad didn’t want to be the one to give out this information so he told the reporter and the reporter did it. I feel like it was the same info K’s was trying to say but held back.

 

[layer]

I’m not ready to conclude K was targeted just because her wounds were worse than M’s.

How do we know her wounds were worse than M's?

 

[Neptune]

RE: Steve Goncalves' remark "He doesn’t have to go up the steps" (recent interview, can't find link)

Verbatim: “He doesn’t have to go up the steps.... Let's stop playing games, guys. I need somebody to step up and be an alpha... somebody to be a leader. Don't make me do. I don't wanna do it. He doesn't have to go up the steps."

I understand that SG's frustration and grief is driving his behavior and I'm very sad for him; but this kind of veiled threat to reveal info to the public unless someone "steps up" is really unconventional. I'm surprised a judge hasn't issued an order for him to desist. It doesn't matter if he "paid for" the info - allowing the perp to know what he knows is assisting the perp who is no doubt in constant personal protection mode these days. First, it seems SG's remarks alluded to his belief that X and E were the targets and so K and M were collateral and apparently, he believes the public needs to know this? If this is truly a fact based on the evidence, the public does not need to know this because people close to X and E would scatter and the perp would then know that LE is tightening the circle and would hide or run even more. Hunters use hunting blinds for a reason - to reduce the chance of detection when they finally have a target in scope. It's an attempt to control the environment. Information is like a hunting blind - the more that's hidden the more likely the perp won't notice and will step into range. It's not a lack of leadership in LE - it is literally the collective intelligence of thousands of investigators over hundreds of years that has taught professionals this lesson: cooler heads prevail.

In the 15 years I've been studying true crime, I've learned that deviant minds often think of everything. And they can ideate a long, long time. If this perp had killed just one person, it's a pretty good chance that person was the target, so the logic is to follow the data set mapped to that one victim in order to catch the perp. In this case, with each victim he (or she) killed he increased the data set related to his acts so the path back to him is that much harder to determine and the odds of him being found are greatly diminished - it was tactical. So, also to be tactical, LE does not reveal why they believe it was a targeted attack or who was targeted.

 

[isabella88]

How do we know her wounds were worse than M's?

That is a statement made on News Nation this evening

 

[CrownCowboy1]

After all the info up to this point, I'm starting to get the vibe that it's becoming more and more possible that multiple attackers were involved in this. I understand a previous tenant said that it was hard to hear anything going on above but I just find it hard to believe that all of that was done on two levels without it being heard.

The only way in my opinion is that there were two. I understand they were sleeping and that could make it more plausible for just one attacker. I just think it is a possibility that hasn't had enough thought to it.

All my opinion.

 

[drmrgrl]

I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea, but if I were a student there trying to calm my fears, I think it would trigger them every time I saw one of the posters. JMO.

That’s why the MPD has the tip line-tip line us also anonymous

 

[Sjöberg]

out of curiosity, can you say why M or M&X as opposed to K?

It was more of a feeling than a reason, tbh.
One thing was M's parents being quiet with the stories of how it was the worst crime scene the PD has ever seen (and all the local rumours that followed).
The other was nothing about K lining up - has an ex from recent break up, but that ex is cleared; there are rumours of a stalker, but no stalker is found; there are odd discussions about it being sus she had the money for all her plans, but nothing out of the ordinary regarding her finances is detected. I thought we mainly know so much about K, because her parents are in the media, and as all these statistically likely aspects in her life were cleared, it felt like it's either a) something very unlikely with K as a victim, or b) something likely with someone else as a victim.
Along the lines with K's dad atm, I also thought for a while, that if the target was on the 2nd floor only, it is odd for the prep to to the 3rd floor. Thus I thought the target could have been M on the 3rd floor, either alone or maybe together with X, because they worked together and belonged to the same sorority and there was also no obvious reason to kill X&E in their beds, had M been the target.

 

[wtrbrdm]

How do we know her wounds were worse than M's?

Based on Brian's report. New to me, but he seems to be pretty legit. Ties in to what papa G said about the wounds not matching.

 

[EmmieA]

How do we know her wounds were worse than M's?

I should have said *supposedly* worse than M’s since that is not confirmed by LE… This is news from the NewsNation special that was just aired. @LAhiker has a few posts about the special.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Thanks much! Is there a JH or maybe it was a typo I saw when rolling & scrolling?

There’s another individual related to the Venmo payment.

 

[debirlfan]

In that interview, Kaylee's dad also mentions that she "was always looking up child trafficking" and told him "it's a lot bigger than we think".

Given her interest in true crime, it's unlikely, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that she stumbled across something and she was killed to shut her up.

 

[drmrgrl]

I think he said 'didn't' but it sounded muffled.

KG didn’t call 911. SG stated that K didn’t know she was in any danger. Therefore, most likely, K DIDNT have a stalker OR, K had a stalker, but didn’t know it IMO. Personally, I don’t think she did. But it makes me wonder if she may have crossed paths with some young guy during the course of her time there.

 

[Normamsmiley]

I was also in a sorority, and had multiple friends who dropped out. Especially as a juniors and seniors. Either due to the cost or not wanting to deal with all of the requirements. Another term often used interchangeably is disaffiliating.

Despite the girls dropping out, they would still be friends with everyone, hang out and even attend formals as someone’s plus one.

Yes, this. I was in a fraternity and had many friends in sororities. It was very common for the sisters (and slightly less common, the brothers) to become inactive - where they stopped paying dues and going to meetings, spent less time at socials or even formals. That’s not uncommon at all - particular seniors, but also juniors. And as mentioned, they all stayed friends with their sisters/brothers.