ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 23

[livewiiiiire]

A couple of different scenarios:
It was reported KG's sister said the girls took an Uber home. She confirmed they got home safe based on Ring camera video she requested from a neighbor. I'm assuming this is based on a car passing by that matched a description of the car that was reported they got into? Police later said the driver was a private party not an Uber. They said the driver was not a suspect at the time. It's still unclear to me who he was. An unlicensed taxi or was he known to the girls?
According to bar patron JV the girls were drunk and MM had trouble paying with her phone. A dark colored sedan pulled up and told the girls to hurry up. Those statements seem like he knew the girls. If the driver was not known to the girls and they couldn't pay a non Uber driver with their phones he may have gotten angry and demanded money.
Could this murder have been the result of an attempted burglary? Or if the driver was known could he have helped the girls in to the house if they were too drunk? It's in the realm of possibility that if the driver were to become a suspect it might be for a similar scenario.
Also, EC did he live on campus? He and Xk could have went back to ECs dorm room for awhile. Wouldn't they also have been spotted on the neighbors Ring camera?

Slain University of Idaho Student's Sister Is Searching for Her Killer Herself

Alivea Goncalves isn’t waiting for police to find the person responsible for killing her sister, Kaylee Goncalves, and her sister’s friends Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle.

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k and m used a sorority DD service to get home, that was the private party.

 

[WildWest]

What sort of dog is Murphy?

I keep hearing his is a Labradoodle, Idk, I had an Apricot Standard Poodle that looked identical in size/weight/height. Regardless I'd put $$ on he is a poodle or some kind of doodle.

 

[Cindizzi]

A couple of different scenarios:
It was reported KG's sister said the girls took an Uber home. She confirmed they got home safe based on Ring camera video she requested from a neighbor. I'm assuming this is based on a car passing by that matched a description of the car that was reported they got into? Police later said the driver was a private party not an Uber. They said the driver was not a suspect at the time. It's still unclear to me who he was. An unlicensed taxi or was he known to the girls?
According to bar patron JV the girls were drunk and MM had trouble paying with her phone. A dark colored sedan pulled up and told the girls to hurry up. Those statements seem like he knew the girls. If the driver was not known to the girls and they couldn't pay a non Uber driver with their phones he may have gotten angry and demanded money.
Could this murder have been the result of an attempted burglary? Or if the driver was known could he have helped the girls in to the house if they were too drunk? It's in the realm of possibility that if the driver were to become a suspect it might be for a similar scenario.
Also, EC did he live on campus? He and Xk could have went back to ECs dorm room for awhile. Wouldn't they also have been spotted on the neighbors Ring camera?

Slain University of Idaho Student's Sister Is Searching for Her Killer Herself

Alivea Goncalves isn’t waiting for police to find the person responsible for killing her sister, Kaylee Goncalves, and her sister’s friends Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle.

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As far as the ride home, KG’s Father called it a “ Sorority designated driver service “

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[Karin1974]

Maybe there was no blood on his paws because the killer took care to close Murphy into a separate room before the rampage.

...possible?? i grant I am not extremely "up" on this entire case, so ignore me if this is going to be entire balderdash on my part.

This is exactly what I believe may have happened. MOO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

To me "torso" means the area from the hips to the neck which includes the stomach area. Definition of TORSO

Where are you getting torso
from? The coroner has said “chest and upper body.”

University of Idaho murders: 4 students were stabbed to death in their beds and likely asleep, Latah County Coroner says | abc7news.com

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

I lost my doodle post. Labradoodle not too scared to confront a perp
Medium sized dog, intelligent. Imoo

#dog #murphy

Labradoodle - Wikipedia

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There have been numerous requests about the dog found at the residence on the morning of November 13th. Arriving officers entered the residence and found the deceased victims. During the search of the home, a dog was found in a room where the crimes had not been committed. Officers did not find any evidence on the dog and there was no indication the animal had entered the crime scene. The dog was taken to Animal Services and released to a responsible person.

While the dog was in the house when officers arrived, it has not been determined where the dog was physically located when the murders took place.

 

[LizWords]

And here we go, ID House Rep says they have this r<mod note - investment> and mentions she's worried about University enrollment.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600195991122345984

Yeah it’s going to affect enrollment and the economic well being of the entire town. If you were a student, would you feel safe? If you were a parent, would you be comfortable sending your kid here atm?

BTW, it appears to have been the prosecutor, not the mayor, who made the bulk of the PR mess around the specifically targeted person statements. Not sure why I seemed to remember it being the mayor, but whatever.

As I was rereading some decent comprehensive overviews of the debacle, I was struck again by how convinced the prosecutor was, much like SG was, that LE was pretty confident a specific person was targeted.

The prosecutor tries to say it was a miscommunication. OK, if that’s actually true, it’s a worse mess up on the prosecutors behalf than I initially thought. It’s blowing my mind a bit going back through some of this.

 

[WildWest]

Yeah it’s going to affect enrollment and the economic well being of the entire town. If you were a student, would you feel safe? If you were a parent, would you be comfortable sending your kid here atm?

BTW, it appears to have been the prosecutor, not the mayor, who made the bulk of the PR mess around the specifically targeted person statements. Not sure why I seemed to remember it being the mayor, but whatever.

As I was rereading some decent comprehensive overviews of the debacle, I was struck again by how convinced the prosecutor was, much like SG was, that LE was pretty confident a specific person was targeted.

The prosecutor tries to say it was a miscommunication. OK, if that’s actually true, it’s a worse mess up on the prosecutors behalf than I initially thought. It’s blowing my mind a bit going back through some of this.

Agree. I feel the same.

 

[Sjöberg]

For all those thinking this had to be someone skilled and strong to pull this off….please look up the The Haines family murders in Manheim Pa. 16 year old Alec Kreider stabbed to death his best friend and his parents, leaving no DNA behind. Had Alec not confessed to his father, he may have gotten away with it. Middle of the night killing with no forced entry…

Yes. Sloppy. Perhaps frenzied?

If the perpetrator was using the type of knife originally suggested by LE, a clean cut to the throat on a sleeping victim would accomplish the goal. But instead, the perpetrator (or perpetrators?) opted to turn the scene into a bloodbath.

I’ve heard that there wouldn’t necessarily be screams if they were sleeping. I’ve also heard that even if the person is awake, sometimes there just aren’t screams because the person is in shock.

The expectation of screaming makes me think of E and every theory that has him confronting the killer (I disagree with this theory!) — I’d think there would be possible screaming from him or X if that happened. And this would be screaming at the top of your lungs because you’re about to be murdered. Noise like this wouldn’t have been heard in this house before and I think the 1st floor girls would have heard this noise. But they (supposedly) heard nothing. So what are the chances E confronted the killer? Slim to none IMO

After reading the latest report from CNN. I’ve changed my thought. It was very clear in that report that all 4 students were attacked while asleep.

Yup, I think it was something personal, fuelled by rage, because had the aim been to just kill them, they would have used a gun and had the aim been to just attack someone with a knife, picking this house is very very unlikely if there are any brains included at all.

And I wish we'd get over the "how did the other not hear the screaming", because I don't think you can make much sound if during one second you're asleep and during the next you have a knife in your lung/throat/aorta. The one attacked first in each bed had basically no opportunity to fight back and the one attacked second might have had some, but it is not unusual to not make a sound during this out of sheer shock or "focus" for lack of a better word. My prayers go to all gods that Xana hit the perp to the balls with her knee and scratched his neck/face/wrist and got the DNA evidence.

The mystery factor to me is if surviving roommates were left behind because the prep was afraid the struggle with E&X might have awoken them, because he did not know they were there, because they got an injury or because they were scared off by something, like the police (from the alcohol offence) or anyone else were moving close to the house or maybe the dog started barking or whatever.

All MOO.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I believe it was reported they were attacked in the torso and chest area.

Chest & upper body - I don’t know where this torso stuff originated, but it wasn’t from the coroner or LE.
University of Idaho murders: 4 students were stabbed to death in their beds and likely asleep, Latah County Coroner says | abc7news.com

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Assuming that is true for the sake of argument, it still doesn't address my question. What the OP and others have suggested is that the perpetrator may have been a hunter who "was very skilled in hunting knife use".

I asked what these supposed skills could be. Hunters do not quietly move around the forest, waiting to pounce on sleeping prey with a knife. They have no more relevant knife skills than a decent home cook.

Well, they do have skill quietly moving around the forest & this monster definitely had the skill to move quietly while stalking his prey. JMHO

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

Someone on social media following her page would know her location from the photo? Imoo

It was Kaylee Goncalves dog (Murphy) in the house

#SocialMedia #Kaylee

Just hours before the four students were killed, Goncalves had posted a photo of the group with the caption, "one lucky girl to be surrounded by these ppl everyday,"

University of Idaho murders: 4 students were stabbed to death in their beds and likely asleep, Latah County Coroner says | abc7news.com

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[Deleted member 110058]

Just my opinion ….

I don’t think DNA (by itself) is going to solve this particular case …. And if it does I think Police would have to be extremely lucky ….

Rationale - party house and too many different DNA samples on scene ..

Add to that, the season of “winter” and the suspect would mostly likely have all of his body and hair covered with clothing … and if the clothing was black it would not show blood splatter as easily as light colours while the perpetrator made a get a way…

Again, IMO, the case will be solved with technology, and circumstantial evidence …. And a lot of old fashioned Police / FBI investigation and leg work ….

Also let us remember that we now live in an age where a person’s DNA can be changed with modern medicine …. Hence if Police do end up relying on DNA evidence in this case then I personally believe they will need an awful lot of supportive evidence to go with it ….

ALL MO

Edit to add … a huge difference the other way around however ….. if Police can find the victims blood and DNA on the weapon or the perps clothes from that night … that is an entirely different situation ….

Could you clarify by what you mean by our " DNA can change with modern medicine" ? So "even with DNA they would need supporting evidence"? Being able to change our DNA is news to me.

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

Also, a point that I’ve said a few times is how did the killer know who was K & who was M? They were both in M’s room in M’s bed. And they look practically identical already. In the dark, how could the killer tell who was who? So do K’s more brutal injuries really reflect someone who was being targeted?

The moon was 83% full waning Gibbous. Some light.

Moon rise ~ 8pm. Moonset ~ 12pm.

The moon high at the time of the crime.

Moscow, Idaho Moonrise Moonset Time -- Timebie

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[SLouTh]

Could you clarify by what you mean by our " DNA can change with modern medicine" ? So "even with DNA they would need supporting evidence"? Being able to change our DNA is news to me.

Things like bone marrow transplants etc can change a persons DNA … A lot of. Drs I know always say if they were called to jury duty, they would really struggle with DNA evidence … they would not be convinced to vote guilty on DNA alone …and would likely disregard it …
it’s just interesting … to me .. anyway …
JMO

Edit to add reference:

Could a bone marrow transplant recipient have two sets of DNA? - The Tech Interactive

www.thetech.org

 

[Kano]

well, this is my first night bothering to jump into this case.. I'd like to know more about Ethan and Xana so far. Seems like they have had the least speculation. Without info about the state of crime scene and bodies it's a little hard for me to make further speculation.

 

[Sjöberg]

9. I think Xana or Ethan realized there was someone in the house which led to them being killed.

"The coroner stated the four victims were likely asleep" (MPD)
It does look like the killer went into X&E's room with the aim to kill them. My own opinion is that E was attacked first while fast asleep (bigger threat, might also be somewhat covering X due to sleeping position) and X second, maybe the giving her time to wake up fully or just failing with the first blow (her dad saying she had defensive wounds).

 

[Sjöberg]

Could you clarify by what you mean by our " DNA can change with modern medicine" ? So "even with DNA they would need supporting evidence"? Being able to change our DNA is news to me.

Not OP and I don't think that this is very relevant to criminal cases, actually. But, medically speaking, there are two main ways I can think of how you might change your DNA with medicine, one is bone marrow transplants (link, article) and the other is gene therapy. Neither changes your whole DNA, both are documented in medical history and rather easy to determine.

 

[SLouTh]

well, this is my first night bothering to jump into this case.. I'd like to know more about Ethan and Xana so far. Seems like they have had the least speculation. Without info about the state of crime scene and bodies it's a little hard for me to make further speculation.

Possibly because we know so little about their timeline for the evening ….

There are about 4 hours where the Police are trying to establish what happened and where they were, before arriving home …

This was from yesterdays Police Update

Detectives continue investigating what occurred from approximately 9 p.m. on November 12th to 1:45 a.m. on November 13th, when Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were believed to be at the Sigma Chi house on the University of Idaho Campus at 735 Nez Perce Drive. Any interactions, contacts, direction and method of travel, or anything abnormal could add context to what occurred.

I thought the wording of the last part of the statement was interesting … about “context” … but JMO

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[kathym1950]

When I was in high school (years ago) I think I may have gone on one date with a guy, and decided it really wasnt a good fit for me, shortly afterward I started to date someone new and this person saw me, in any case he started to threaten me, he felt very rejected and he carried that against me for years, even telling my Dad how much he hated me. Fortunately I moved away. I think that's what happened to one of the people in the house. Someone felt deeply rejected.