ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 25

[Diogenetic]

Actually, I am arguing that the girls were doing what was normal for them on any normal weekend. K's sister said K was known to call people repeatedly late at night. The family has stated that if Kaylee felt nervous about anyone/anything, she would call 911. K & M calling K's ex late at night multiple times is well within the range of their typical behavior.

My word "urgent" was based on the fact that there were many posts that believed K and M were attempting to call for help. Perhaps it was the wrong word, perhaps not. Either way, I believe that the phone calls were just part of another normal Saturday night at 1122 King Road for K & M.

Except they were both making multiple calls. And none of what your wrote excludes them calling because they may have felt some unease an interaction or something they saw or heard. They were very drunk. And it seems to me that there is a bit of a projection tendency among all of us to look at this from the perspective of knowing what would occur. I think we would have seen reporting of regular 9/11 calls from that house. Do you have a citation for numerous 911 calls from the residence?
Again what excludes the possibility they were calling because they wanted to share having a strange interaction, or noticed something out of the ordinary?

 

[LynnWhite]

No. From the outside, in mine you press a logo. It makes a whirring sound so that you know it has locked. From the inside, you have to twist a little knob to lock it.

from the inside,,you unlock it by twisting the knob,

from the outside,you enter a code . It whirs to let you know you entered the correct numbers and you have to open it at the correct whirring point or you have to start over

I have several of these Schlage locks as well, and can add that you can set them to lock automatically after some time has passed, like 5 minutes. I also know from experience that if the bolt is a little tight, then the electronic locking doesn’t work, it gets kind of stuck and retracts again, leaving it unlocked.

 

[debbiediablo]

“The neighbor told Fox News this week that the front door — which opens to the level where two other roommates were unharmed — was wide open around 8:30 a.m. on Nov. 13.”

Idaho murders: Slain university students' neighbor says front door left wide open after attacks

A neighbor of four slain University of Idaho students killed in their sleep claims that they saw the victims' front door wide open hours after the slayings.

fxn.ws

I am not sure if the Fox News link is allowed if it isn’t please snip the link.

What strikes me as off is why wait five weeks so speak up although a door (which door?) was reportedly open when LE arrived.

 

[CeeMDubs]

What strikes me as off is why wait five weeks so speak up although a door (which door?) was reportedly open when LE arrived.

I’m thinking this was the “open door” LE initially alluded to-they just never clarified that it was the front door. jMO

 

[LynnWhite]

Except they were both making multiple calls. And none of what your wrote excludes them calling because they may have felt some unease an interaction or something they saw or heard. They were very drunk. And it seems to me that there is a bit of a projection tendency among all of us to look at this from the perspective of knowing what would occur. I think we would have seen reporting of regular 9/11 calls from that house. Do you have a citation for numerous 911 calls from the residence?
Again what excludes the possibility they were calling because they wanted to share having a strange interaction, or noticed something out of the ordinary?

I appreciate that you’re sticking to this, and completely agree with you. It seems to me that her sister’s comments indicating late night calls were typical of her reinforces what you’re saying if anything…it there WAS someone bothering her or creeping her out that night, it suggests that’s exactly what she’d do - start calling people to talk about it. And as an experienced drunk-dialer myself, those calls tend to be persistent, and kind of impatiently spread out… “call me back, why haven’t they called back, I’m calling again.” Just my opinion, but I’m with ya on this.

 

[Kittycat40]

What strikes me as off is why wait five weeks so speak up although a door (which door?) was reportedly open when LE arrived.

Not sure! Maybe someonelse can clarify that.

 

[PolarButterflie]

Except they were both making multiple calls. And none of what your wrote excludes them calling because they may have felt some unease an interaction or something they saw or heard. They were very drunk. And it seems to me that there is a bit of a projection tendency among all of us to look at this from the perspective of knowing what would occur. I think we would have seen reporting of regular 9/11 calls from that house. Do you have a citation for numerous 911 calls from the residence?
Again what excludes the possibility they were calling because they wanted to share having a strange interaction, or noticed something out of the ordinary?

You seem to believe there is a high probability they were reaching out for help because they were uneasy about something.

I believe there is a higher probability that it was just K & M being typical K & M based on what K's family has stated. How is this projecting their behavior based on the knowledge that I know they are going to die? If anything, my knowledge of their death would cause me to presume they were calling for help, not just acting normal.

We have different opinions on what happened based on our personal experiences and our personal sleuthing. We should just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Diogenetic]

slashing with a kbar style knife is really only recommended as a distraction type move. The Marine manual recommends stabbing the chest or throat and then wrenching for kbar combat.

having had the training the key elements are surprise and use of maximum force. You use body weight for deepest penetration, no swinging. Slashing is if our victim is armed or fighting back. a thorax wound means little to no noise.
And you can really smash deeply with a combat knife, and repeatedly and never cut yourself at all. We never trained for use on prone targets, but if a fit military age male striking from above with body weight, were to use one a prone petite female, say right between throat and chest several inches of that blade would come out the victim's back especially if you wrenched.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Actually, I am arguing that the girls were doing what was normal for them on any normal weekend. K's sister said K was known to call people repeatedly late at night. The family has stated that if Kaylee felt nervous about anyone/anything, she would call 911. K & M calling K's ex late at night multiple times is well within the range of their typical behavior.

My word "urgent" was based on the fact that there were many posts that believed K and M were attempting to call for help. Perhaps it was the wrong word, perhaps not. Either way, I believe that the phone calls were just part of another normal Saturday night at 1122 King Road for K & M.

Except they were both making multiple calls. And none of what your wrote excludes them calling because they may have felt some unease an interaction or something they saw or heard. They were very drunk. And it seems to me that there is a bit of a projection tendency among all of us to look at this from the perspective of knowing what would occur. I think we would have seen reporting of regular 9/11 calls from that house. Do you have a citation for numerous 911 calls from the residence?
Again what excludes the possibility they were calling because they wanted to share having a strange interaction, or noticed something out of the ordinary?

Imo, you’re both right, those calls could have been gossip type calls, calls about an activity to do the next day or …… they felt uneasy about something, not enough to call 911 but maybe, wanting another opinion.
K’s sister said she often made late night random calls, sadly, this could’ve been important or just the usual, we’ll never know. I think K’s family would like to believe the latter. Jmo

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

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You seem to believe there is a high probability they were reaching out for help because they were uneasy about something.

I believe there is a higher probability that it was just K & M being typical K & M based on what K's family has stated. How is this projecting their behavior based on the knowledge that I know they are going to die? If anything, my knowledge of their death would cause me to presume they were calling for help, not just acting normal.

We have different opinions on what happened based on our personal experiences and our personal sleuthing. We should just agree to disagree and move on.

Did Kaylee leave a sliding door open in anticipation of a possible arrival of the ex boyfriend?

Only to be met by Freddie Kruger?

 

[Kittycat40]

Anyone have insight regarding the front door being open the morning of Nov 13 at 8:30am.

Do you guys think that’s where the killer exited?

 

[Diogenetic]

You seem to believe there is a high probability they were reaching out for help because they were uneasy about something.

I believe there is a higher probability that it was just K & M being typical K & M based on what K's family has stated.

yes we can agree to disagree. I am using facts and the higher probability, given the many many calls were not from one of the victims, but at last two, and around 2 am. and police have already said they do not have a record of regular calls to 911 from that house.
And we know from studies of violent crime victims that they very often feel something is off or have an interaction or notice something before an attack and do not call the cops. so yes, I think they both were making all those calls because of something that happened, subtle or overt that presaged this, and they noticed. Even if as young adults, the data show they were least likely to call cops.

 

[Zinn]

What strikes me as off is why wait five weeks so speak up although a door (which door?) was reportedly open when LE arrived.

Is there evidence this person did not provide this information to police sooner? If not, I’d guess they informed police of this very early on.

 

[LynnWhite]

I’ll say this, as an Idahoan and outdoorsman, if I’m this guy I’m going straight for the mountains, and likely driving three hours north to the border, into the Canadian Rockies, and just continuing north as far as I can go. Like all the way north. I wonder if they’re able to track cash fuel purchases?

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

I’ll say this, as an Idahoan and outdoorsman, if I’m this guy I’m going straight for the mountains, and likely driving three hours north to the border, into the Canadian Rockies, and just continuing north as far as I can go. Like all the way north. I wonder if they’re able to track cash fuel purchases?

In my local area, some companies have switched off their facial recognition due to privacy concerns. Retail has facial recognition, so do gas stations for theft?
Do the FBI send out communications to gas stations for perpetrators on the run?

Src: Great Scene: “No Country For Old Men”

 

[GhostGhost]

I could not locate this, would you have a source?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/idaho-murders-border-authorities-monitoring-for-hyundai-elantra-that-was-near-scene-of-quadruple-homicide/ar-AA154pWc

 

[LynnWhite]

having had the training the key elements are surprise and use of maximum force. You use body weight for deepest penetration, no swinging. Slashing is if our victim is armed or fighting back. a thorax wound means little to no noise.
And you can really smash deeply with a combat knife, and repeatedly and never cut yourself at all. We never trained for use on prone targets, but if a fit military age male striking from above with body weight, were to use one a prone petite female, say right between throat and chest several inches of that blade would come out the victim's back especially if you wrenched.

I’ve been looking and can’t find anything explaining why they think it’s a Ka-Bar, does anyone know? That’s very specific, and a little ambiguous at the same time. Ka-Bar is a brand, not a style of knife. I’m guessing they’re referring to the KB USMC Fighting Knife like you’re describing, that’s what most would associate them with I suspect, but they also make hunting, camping, and bushcraft knives. Depending on what made them specifically say Ka-Bar, I think that could tell them a lot about this person’s background and/or interests.

 

[BurnerForDaddy]

A young college kid in todays world does not know how to drive a stick shift , let alone hot wire a car...but..what they do know is how to "hack" a car and steal it because they saw it on the net and its actually really simple. This went viral in the last few months so maybe a coincidence but maybe not

Not to beat a dead horse, but the “viral” car stealing trend exploits a security flaw in newer model Hyundais (2016 and newer). The car we are looking for does not have this security flaw because it’s an older model. I agree it’s possible the car was stolen, but it was not “hacked” because of some viral story the perp saw.

 

[Diogenetic]

Its pertinent as the perpetrator might have damaged the lock for later ingress. This could mean the perpetrator had been in the house.

That means, the perpetrator had premeditated the crime. How long prior had the lock been damaged? Imoo

Or the father may have installed it wrong and it not locked. those electric locks will usually just kick back to unlocked if misaligned at all. From the outside that house is a secruity mess. sliding doors are the most vulnerable of all widely used doors. you can usually lift them an inch and take them right off track. And although it is common for college kids in off-campus group housing to have locks the doors they are usually not deadbolts and can quickly and quietly be defeated.
As the saying goes: locks only keep honest people out.
But you certainly make a good point. the lock may have been damaged on purpose. It can't be excluded

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I appreciate that you’re sticking to this, and completely agree with you. It seems to me that her sister’s comments indicating late night calls were typical of her reinforces what you’re saying if anything…it there WAS someone bothering her or creeping her out that night, it suggests that’s exactly what she’d do - start calling people to talk about it. And as an experienced drunk-dialer myself, those calls tend to be persistent, and kind of impatiently spread out… “call me back, why haven’t they called back, I’m calling again.” Just my opinion, but I’m with ya on this.

There’s an implication they could’ve solved their own murder, if only the calls were answered. We have K’s sister words in print, I’m more inclined to believe K’s sister, she knew her, we didn’t.

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Between 2:26 and 2:52 a.m., phone logs show that seven unanswered phone calls were placed from Ms. Goncalves’s phone to a friend, according to her older sister, Alivea Goncalves. Several calls to the same friend were also placed using Ms. Mogen’s phone, the police said.

Alivea Goncalves said the calls were to JD, a fellow student who had been Kaylee Goncalves’s boyfriend for several years until recently, when they decided to take an amicable break. She said Mr. D missed the calls because he was sleeping and that her sister’s phone account did not show any other calls for that time period.
Mr. D has declined to discuss the calls. Alivea Goncalves said she and her family “stand behind J 100 percent and know he absolutely had nothing to do with this at all.”

She said that her sister frequently called people late at night — and often kept calling until they picked up — even if to ask a mundane question like what she ought to have for a meal.

Idaho Murders: What We Know

Bryan Kohberger, who was studying criminology at another university nearby, faces trial later this year in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students.

www.nytimes.com