ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 28

[Kittycat40]

I have (in my opinion) a strong suspect in mind. If it is this person, he is indeed still in town and hiding in plain sight.

You live in Moscow Idaho? What makes you feel the way that you do. You don’t have to give us the name of your suspect here on the forum. Just a rational for why you feel it’s the person that you think it is.

You should call the tip hotline with your tip. 208-883-7180

 

[drmrgrl]

Here's what I think.

They carefully collected tons of forensic evidence from all over the house, each designated as a different time phase in the crime. They found car carpet fibers on the stairs and on the bedroom floor (using many different vacuum bags and carefully labeling, taking over 4000 pictures of where they gathered this evidence).

They knew a Hyundai Elantra had passed by a Ring cam. So they went into the database of carpet fibers and lo and behold! The fibers on the feet of the alleged killer are from a Hyundai Elantra - but only from 2011-2013.

That Elantra is hidden someplace, IMO. Probably at a remote location, perhaps still with the killer. His family knows he has this car, but is silent (and LE knows who they are, too and are waiting to see if they are going to budge and give up where the car/person driving car might be).

I don't think that Hyundai is still in Idaho, myself. Nor is the killer. But if they find that Hyundai, they will find a person who is definitely worth interrogating.

Unless the killer had the car detailed and cleaned and than traded it in on another vehicle and the Elantra is sitting in some car lot obscured, maybe in Wash state? IMO

 

[avalonisland]

1122 King house seems so much of a party like house that really the killer (if college age appearance) would not really have to hide. He/She could be hanging out drinking a Truly in living room and the roommates were so carefree that they might assume that this person was friends with one of 5 roommates. I have high school age children. This case will help me better parent my children when they go to college in regards to security/safety devices where they live. These 5 roommates seem to buddy up when going out and really all LE has recommended college students do. I am surprised Moscow LE and UI spokesperson hasn't suggested how college students at UI can better protect themselves at their living spaces. Every off campus housing should have doorbell front and maybe back security. Parking lots should have cameras. Roommates need to have a curfew in place at their residence in regards to someone being in charge of making sure housing locked before last person goes to bed. Cut off times for parties. The fact that UI campus off housing had so little security in 2022 is just crazy to me.

 

[TIGER0822]

On one of the YT channels a profiler/cop/whoever mentioned that the killer would be very proud of their knife or knives.

Now as well as just some knife crazed madman, which professions use knives regularly and for whom knives may be a source of pride?


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Do the military use knives?

 

[everybodhi]

Ok so LE can take DNA with probable cause and judge's ok. I'd think they might just be asking some students to swab to eliminate them from the pool of collected DNA from a very social house. Are they still allowed to do the old call them in to interview, would you like a beverage, then swab it?

Yes, I think they are doing that, too, on those who do not voluntarily submit to a swab, why not?

Unlocked NYT’s article
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“The police said they have received more than 5,000 tips, collected 113 pieces of physical evidence, taken about 4,000 photographs and conducted more than 150 interviews.”

 

[TIGER0822]

I think for most, catching the killer due to their tip would be reward enough, and that they would consider it one of their greatest achievements in life.

 

[TIGER0822]

I do think it was interesting they got a dog together when they didn’t live together? Seems like a hassle to share a dog with someone living elsewhere by choice. Wonder how that worked as well

I think there relationship as a couple was paused. They probably both loved the dog and shared it.

 

[Cryptic]

M & X were in the same sorority Pi Beta Phi and both stopped bein an active member of this sorority this Semester, so I wonder why? I was in a college sorority, and it was rare that sorority members left sorority but continued academics at college university. Not convinced killing is sorority related though.

Several members with experience in sororities and fraternities have also commented on this. As a side note, there seems to be a 60%/40% split:

- About three members noted that in their experience, fully dropping out of a sorority / fraternity (as opposed to going in active) was rare and could imply a dispute- though as with you, none felt the the crime was linked to the sorority.

- About two members noted that in their experience, it was fairly common for sorority / fraternity members to lose interest, be unable to keep the social schedule etc. and drop out. As a result, dropping out completely would not necessarily imply a dispute.

 

[Charlot123]

Here's what I think.

They carefully collected tons of forensic evidence from all over the house, each designated as a different time phase in the crime. They found car carpet fibers on the stairs and on the bedroom floor (using many different vacuum bags and carefully labeling, taking over 4000 pictures of where they gathered this evidence).

They knew a Hyundai Elantra had passed by a Ring cam. So they went into the database of carpet fibers and lo and behold! The fibers on the feet of the alleged killer are from a Hyundai Elantra - but only from 2011-2013.

That Elantra is hidden someplace, IMO. Probably at a remote location, perhaps still with the killer. His family knows he has this car, but is silent (and LE knows who they are, too and are waiting to see if they are going to budge and give up where the car/person driving car might be).

I don't think that Hyundai is still in Idaho, myself. Nor is the killer. But if they find that Hyundai, they will find a person who is definitely worth interrogating.

Car carpets are somewhat interchangeable. Chances are, the carpet from Elantra 2011-13 would have holes in it by now and has been replaced, by any other carpet that would fit. I would not rely on the year proceeding from the carpet fibers. Nor on the car, to be honest, but maybe they saw the car somewhere.

 

[Strong1]

Personally I don't feel this case is anywhere near being cold. I feel that LE are still working leads and I truly hope that their silence means they have something. But, even if it doesn't, that doesn't mean that it is going cold. In reality all it would take is one simple break to blow this case wide open. Yes, I am frustrated like many, but in no way does that make me give up hope that this case can and will be solved sooner than later.

 

[TIGER0822]

On one of the YT channels a profiler/cop/whoever mentioned that the killer would be very proud of their knife or knives.

Now as well as just some knife crazed madman, which professions use knives regularly and for whom knives may be a source of pride?


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Likely - previous knife skills. I don’t think it would be that easy to stab four people to death, even in a possibly psychotic rage. I think it take a lot of strength and physical muscle. Thinking about it makes me so sad.

 

[Cryptic]

Do the military use knives?

Yes, but not nearly as often as some movies suggest.

A very significant number of servicemen would have no more exposure to large fixed blade knives than the average person at say, the University of Idaho.

Infantry in general and elite infantry in particular would have expsoure to fixed blade knives, and would probably be issued one. As for how often they would truly practice with such knives, I have no idea. I do know that infantrymen (and now, a few infantry women) are a relatively small minority of service members.

So.... the answer to your question as to the military as a whole maybe a fuzzy: "Yes- but not really."

 

[everybodhi]

Do the military use knives?

Oh yes, always have, always will.
You may run out of ammunition or need to conduct a silent attack.
Our military is well versed in hand to hand combat and medals have been issued specially for knife combat in wars throughout our history.

This site tells some stories.
7 OF THE MOST POPULAR KNIVES IN U.S. MILITARY HISTORY

..The Marines have since carried the KA-BAR throughout World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and the Global War on Terrorism. The KA-BAR has been synonymous with the Marine Corps and has proven itself in combat countless times

During the Vietnam War, Lance Corporal James H. Stogner, an 18-year-old Marine who carried extra ammo for his machine gun team, was in a desperate fight against the North Vietnamese Army. The only visibility in the total darkness were muzzle flashes, illumination flares, and tracers. NVA soldiers pushed across a field and killed Marines as they helplessly lay wounded in their path. The NVA then tried to overrun their position and captured Corporal Eli Fobbs, one of Stogner’s teammates. Armed with his KA-BAR knife, Stogner low crawled and killed two NVA soldiers without making a sound, then bum-rushed the final two who were torturing Fobbs. A violent hand-to-hand exchange ensued, and he killed the remaining NVA. Fifty-two years after his heroic actions, Stogner was awarded the Navy Cross.

 

[Kittycat40]

Anyone think the killer is there in Idaho in plain sight? If so how?

 

[rahod1]

FYI
All you want to know about knives

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, and it’s interesting how there’s two trails of states where perps have less chances of having DNA collected. If I were doing felons I would work within those areas. Jus sayin.
On the other hand, innocent people also have their DNA collected upon arrest and put in the national database in most states even if their charges are dropped.
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But DNA is used not only to find criminals. Their victims, too, all these nameless remnants in NAMUS. All those who had accidents on the roads and were found later. I personally believe that having DNA database helps more than hurts.

 

[AuntTricia]

I’ve had the same feeling. I just watched the remembrance service for the students and I slowed down the tape at one point and I think there’s a very odd reaction in there from a certain person but time will tell. I wonder if it’s been proven that the perp is one of the first six people that police question. I read that lately or heard that somewhere.

Can you please give the link to the remembrance service where you saw the odd reaction?

 

[EDGE1124]

When are rewards offered? When two things are present... the need for more information, and the capacity to process information in a timely manner. The fact that they have been inundated and overwhelmed with tips is the likely reason they are not motivated to put a reward out...

Yes exactly...so I feel they are on to something but need extra rock solid evidence. If not, then they would post a reward to entice the buddy, street partner, gf or bf who might need a little nudge etc to choose $$ over fear or loyalty.

 

[CeeMDubs]

I’ve had the same feeling. I just watched the remembrance service for the students and I slowed down the tape at one point and I think there’s a very odd reaction in there from a certain person but time will tell. I wonder if it’s been proven that the perp is one of the first six people that police question. I read that lately or heard that somewhere.

I personally don’t think it’s anyone on that list (the ones the police have said are not involved.) But time will hopefully tell.

 

[al66pine]

Scientific Studies of Knife Wounds.

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https://forensicmed.webnode.page/wounds/sharp-force-trauma/stab-wounds/....

snipped for focus. @CeeMDubs. Interesting article. Thx for posting. Also from article: "....Cox (1941) reviewed, and 'mapped' (by making 22,600 puncture wounds in cadavers) the cleavage lines,..."

Guessing that Cox made the 22,000 plus puncture wounds in cadavers because there were no live volunteers for the study.

Seriously, it's good to know that medical professionals have done/are doing these studies, so both prosecutors & defense atty's have scientific bases for evidence presented at trial--- to convict or to acquit.