ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 32

[ktm44]

I respect everyone's opinions, but as someone who has been stalked (and I did NOT enjoy it), this subject is probably one I should back away from.

I'm a bit behind on reading but really hope there has been no suggestion that stalking is somehow flattering or favorable in some way.

It's terrifying and dangerous.

 

[sleuth_truths]

there is some line between some one showing interest and you do not like them, and some one obsessing and not going away or creeping around and "watching" you.

The Goncalves family said Kaylee was a “street wise” individual who was always aware of her environment, including filming anything she thought was suspicious."
Rachel Sharp25 November 2022 23:40

Idaho student murders latest: Victim’s father says Moscow police believe only one of four students killed was ‘target’ - Time Bulletin USA

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Her father also said she had a stalker, though...so who knows?

Idaho college murders: Slain student's father says she had stalker

 

[LadyBelle]

(Carried over from last thread)

“Whatever the source of that car, it will be full of blood stains and impossible to conceal.”

I disagree. I think the perp could have walked away with blood spatter on his person that didn’t visibly transfer to the car.

Yep. Or thrown a sweatshirt over his clothes and head right home.

 

[Sandy007]

Did K parents ever said when she was about to go back home that weekend? She only went to Moscow for couple of days, to show her newly-purchased car. But when she supposed to go back to her parents?

 

[tokyorose]

I can't speak for anyone else, but my Ring cameras don't record cars driving by on the street, only things and people that are fairly close. And sometimes, they even miss those.

I think this depends on the location of the doorbell/ camera. It is also why having other CCTV in the front or back of your home is an excellent idea if you can afford the cost, as well as a monitored alarm system. Sadly, it is unlikely a landlord of a college rental would put out such an expense. I hope that one of the many things to come out of this tragedy is an increased focus of off campus security for college students in the digital age. MOO

 

[layer]

At the risk of this descending into another blame the victim situation...

I think it's irrelevant how K&M conducted themselves that night. They were attacked at home, in bed, a place where everyone should feel safe. That's a large reason this crime is so disturbing.

 

[MountainDad]

At the risk of this descending into another blame the victim situation...

I think it's irrelevant how K&M conducted themselves that night. They were attacked at home, in bed, a place where everyone should feel safe. That's a large reason this crime is so disturbing.

What they were doing an hour before the murders is highly relevant. No one is victim blaming.

 

[acutename]

Did K parents ever said when she was about to go back home that weekend? She only went to Moscow for couple of days, to show her newly-purchased car. But when she supposed to go back to her parents?

Tuesday for her mother's birthday

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjnjvfoif_7AhWWl3IEHVUQA6gQFnoECA8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2022%2F11%2F20%2Fparents-of-slain-idaho-student-kaylee-goncalves-defend-her-ex-boyfriend-as-cops-clear-ride-share-driver%2F&usg=AOvVaw1zs_A_MQX5A90Jpf9d2SeM

 

[layer]

What they were doing an hour before the murders is highly relevant.

What they were doing, yes. How they were doing it, no.

JMHO

 

[Susan A]

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24942/12-16-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

See an interview about the investigation pace over the holidays, as well as digital information submitted to investigators. This was recorded today, December 16, 2022 with Chief James Fry with the Moscow Police Department and is available for media and public use:

Tight,controlled, preplanned questions and answers. More PR than interview.

 

[di anna]

Does anyone know, what was Kaylee's old car and did she sell it to someone?

 

[Aquarian]

I can't speak for anyone else, but my Ring cameras don't record cars driving by on the street, only things and people that are fairly close. And sometimes, they even miss those.

Well mine pick up cars, what it doesn’t do is pick up Amazon or other people like that. Do they use blockers? We’ve been discussing that- very weird.

 

[layer]

A very similar incident happened in Canada 2014- The Brentwood Massacre.
Interestingly it has been restricted to be watched in US so if you have vpn, I changed my location to Canada and YouTube has a full documentary available.
Here we had a college student who seemingly had everything going well ( and whose father was a police officer) who ended up killing 5 other students with a knife in off campus house. Each kid was killed with multiple stab wounds.
Its really eerie to see the similarities between these crimes. And no the guy was not a “big and strong “ as it is implied in this crime. The saddest of all he was found to be mentally ill at the time of the murders and was found not criminally responsible “ he is now in a mental hospital.

For USA people:

 

[sleuth_truths]

In case anyone else is curious, this is the link to Idaho's ISP services (including turnaround rates):

Services

 

[mayhem911]

Big new interview with police chief today and it sounds like a massive videotape operation is in progress. Going over frame by frame evidence and trying to detect patterns I guess. Makes me think they have way more hunches on what happened besides just the Hyundai Elantra.

 

[OtisC]

What they were doing, yes. How they were doing it, no.

JMHO

The what, where, and when of each victim, for the past months, weeks, days, and hours could be relevant to better understanding the context of the crimes including the identity of the murderer.

Just my thoughts.

Otis

 

[MountainDad]

I believe the killer had a "kill kit" ready which includes gloves and disposable overalls among other things. MOO

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[SUSAN ANN]

I believe the killer had a "kill kit" ready which includes gloves and disposable overalls among other things. MOO

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I guess I live a sheltered life. I never knew there was such a thing as a kill suit.

 

[layer]

Does anyone know, what was Kaylee's old car and did she sell it to someone?

No, but she just bought the Range Rover two days before the murders.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I have a similar theory, but cut-proof @MountainDad but it was/is jmo. I think the killer is a methodical planner who would pride himself on thinking of all the little pieces.