ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 32

[saralsim]

I had to step away around thread 30. The threads move so fast and when there's nothing new, it's a lot of beating the same dead horses over and over. It was starting to stress me out. Sorry this is long!
With that being said, just jumping back on to share a couple of new thoughts I've had. Regarding the white car, I feel like that information should have been put out a lot more quickly. When Mickey Shunick (search websleuths) disappeared near me, the surveillance video of her riding her bike and a white truck seen behind her, cracked the case. Not right away, but everyone being so hyper aware of the white truck is the reason that an employee at a car dealership reported to the police when Brandon Scott Lavergne came in to buy a truck. He had cuts on his arms and had altered his drivers license to hide his sex offender designation. Meanwhile, BSL had already driven from Louisiana to texas, burned his truck, and reported it stolen. All this to say, that white car could be long gone by now.
Second thing, regarding the police urging people to come forward with videos and images and they aren't interested in getting anyone in trouble for anything illegal they may have been doing...that's all fine and good, but what about the university? With Sigma and the sorority Xana and Maddie (plus 2 survivors) being on probation (never been in a sorority so honestly asking), would the members be hesitant to come forward with pictures and videos that may show them breaking Greek rules? Things that could get the chapters in trouble with the university? Just wondering if it would be helpful for the university to come out and say they will not pursue disciplinary action for anything brought to light by submissions to the police in this case.
And finally - the video/audio that came out today here you see the girls were clearly with HG willingly, I hope that goes to show everyone here how important the rules are here when it comes to sleuthing people not named by police as a suspect. So many innocent people have been doxed and harassed - everyone connected to these kids have experienced a trauma that will be hard to overcome at their age. The internet has added to their trauma in a way that can't be taken back.
Link to audio referenced

Idaho murders: Full video appearing to show Kaylee Goncalves and Maddie Mogen hours before slayings released

Surveillance video appears to show Kaylee Goncalves and Maddie Mogen walking in Moscow hours before they were killed in their rental home with two friends.

www.foxnews.com

 

[GhostGhost]

Hyundai occupant(s) not coming forward. Hinky or Not?
@annpats Yes.
How can the tragic murders of four uni. students be unknown across the US? In the PNW? State of Idaho? Ditto LE's appeal to the Hyundai occupant(s) to contact LE.

To us sleuthers, it may seem unlikely, but w. so many choices of MSM and soc. media in 2022, a person may be totally immersed in a topic, say sports (watching them on-air, on cable, on the web*) to the virtual exclusison of any non-sports news or events.

On the flip side, as a true crime devotee, I tried to think of football quarterback names besides Joe Namath; after Tom Brady, I came up empty. A sports fan would find the depth of my ignorance of athletics unfathomable.

So yeah, it's conceivable imo innocent Hyundai occupant(s) was not aware of LE's request so has not come forward.

Not personally convinced, but possible. imo jmo moo



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Police in 2022 are so careful and measured. Town attorneys and the FBI probably had to approve the statement they released on the White Elantra.

I think what the Capt said in the last few days is the closest you’ll get to - he’s our killer.

MOO.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Thank you- those are the thoughts and questions i am having.

imo it sounded like there was some irritation there. how did you hear it?

 

[Allabouttrial]

Right! I took this footage as an explanation for why police cleared him (something others have been vocal with their disagreement about) and saying “get off his case”. Not them trying to stir the pot and implicate him again.

I hope he was cleared (for now) from a whole lot more than just this video!!

 

[303gmf]

Wow! Are you kidding? I can see medical Marijuana being delivered, but not social marijuana. You can't even get alcohol delivered where I live.

It’s not legal in Idaho

Thank you!
Have tried to inform repeatedly
Sleuthers assuming without researching so surprising

 

[Minordetails]

Love me some Aunt Tricia!

 

[PorcelainCoveredInTinFoil]

I'm just gonna put this link right here - specifically for you, A-man, wherever you may be.

Section 18-6702 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

 

[otto]

Wasn't HG wearing a white hoodie? Why does this guy in the new video appear to me to be wearing a black hoodie? Is it just me?
BTW: HG with the white hoodie is NOT named Adam.

Baseball cap. On the left without the hoodie, on the right with the hoodie pulled up.

Fox News

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I tend to agree. I think if they had more information (like a partial) they would know who they’re looking for or release it for tips by now. IMO - I think it’s likely that the car has an Idaho license plate. Even if they have a partial (the first one or two characters) they would be able to narrow their search to the county it’s registered in. Idaho indicates the county of registration by the first one or two characters on the license plate (not sure if other states do the same?) Latah county, where Moscow is, would have license plates starting with 1L.

Unless of course, it’s a fake plate, customized plate or Washington/any other state then this doesn’t matter. Just in my opinion, I think it’s someone that is in the Idaho area.

I think it would still matter (bolded) because their database of 22,000 2011-2013 Elantras is not just idaho, so partial would still eliminate a lot of WA or OR, imo

 

[bonniejeanne17]

Did we not already know that though?. IIRC tan jacket guy had already relayed words to that effect to MSM. Also, LE said he wasn't a suspect at this time. So...

It bears repeating.

The reason why I think H.G. was "chaperoning" the girls is because he is a friend of Maddie's b.f., and was doing him a favor. JMHO.

Maddie's b.f. was out of town. He knew things got wild on weekends. He wanted Maddie to have some protection.

It is fortunate for HG. that the girls ditched him, and did not invite him back to the house. That probably saved his life.

 

[GhostGhost]

Baseball cap. On the left without the hoodie, on the right with the hoodie pulled up.

View attachment 388283
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Hoodie up versus Hoodie down.

Same Hoodie.

That’s how we learn. Thanks Otto!

 

[ForensicToxicologist]

With Sigma and the sorority Xana and Maddie (plus 2 survivors) being on probation (never been in a sorority so honestly asking), would the members be hesitant to come forward with pictures and videos that may show them breaking Greek rules? Things that could get the chapters in trouble with the university? Just wondering if it would be helpful for the university to come out and say they will not pursue disciplinary action for anything brought to light by submissions to the police in this case.

As a sorority girl, I would say absolutely, yes. That can get you kicked out and your chapter kicked off campus. On the flip side of that, if someone brutally murdered two of my sisters and was still out there, I sincerely hope I’d put my own worries aside and do anything I could to help get the guy. I don’t think we truly know how we’d react (it’s one thing to SAY “I’d do this” and another to actually be in that terrifying position) unless in that situation.
I’ve always found it curious that the sorority was put on probation after the murders. I don’t fully understand that. You can mitigate safety issues and even cancel events but for the school to put them on probation… just doesn’t sit right with me

 

[al66pine]

Rolling murdered 5 students, 4 days, Gainesville FL. 1990. + more.

Criminologist says ‘tips’ will solve mysterious Idaho college murders

Criminologist Casey Jordan joins Saturday TODAY to discuss the mystery still surrounding the murder of four University of Idaho students. Jordan says “I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a similar crime out there in the coming months if we don’t catch this perpetrator soon.”

www.today.com

Casey Jordan & so many others have stated the longer it goes, it could be random sk. So many compare it to the Rolling case. I have a vague recollection of that. I’ll have to look again to see how similar.

@Dysfunkshun
I just refreshed my memory by reading this, FWIW:

Danny Rolling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[NCWatcher]

This is strange because the press release from Dec 16 says the dog was found at night. See page 4 near the bottom of the page. https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24942/12-16-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update
"On the night of the incident, officers located a dog at the residence. The dog was unharmed, turned over to Animal Services, and later released to a responsible party." So that would mean the dog was in the house all afternoon (LE arrived at around noon) and they didn't find the dog for many hours? One of these statements must be incorrect

That's odd. I had not read the Dec 16 statement but knew when the Dec 5 statement said the dog was found "on the morning of Nov 13...." that couldn't be right. The 911 call came in minutes before noon so LE could not be there in the am much less find the dog that early. I can't believe though the dog wasn't found until that night. LE had to have given the house at least a cursory search that would have revealed the dog sooner than that.

I guess it could be Animal Control couldn't get there immediately so the dog wasn't removed from the room & house until evening. Not all towns have Animal Control available 24/7. And it was a Sunday.

I guess it doesn't really matter but that kind of discrepancy tends to drive me nuts. But it also makes me think when we parse words from LE, word changes/choices we spot may not be as significant as we sometimes suspect. JMO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Wasn't HG wearing a white hoodie? Why does this guy in the new video appear to me to be wearing a black hoodie? Is it just me?
BTW: HG with the white hoodie is NOT named Adam.

Show me where anyone in LE or MSM has identified HG?

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

well, this is all JMO JMI but if I were a quadruple murderer:

1. IMO JMI, if I were a quadruple murderer, I would not work with anyone else. there would be no one working with me who would live to tell about it, and I would not be keen on being caught.
2. IMO JMI, if I were a quadruple murderer, I would be in serious shape and adept in the environment. The Latah trail is a 10-foot wide paved path, 12 miles between Moscow and Troy, and that's nothing for me. I'd have several plans (bike, if it's nice; snowshoe, if it isn't; run it if needed, etc. bring a backpack with needed supplies.)
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The 10-foot wide, paved Latah Trail stretches 12 miles between Moscow and Troy paralleling State Route 8 until Howell Road, where it winds north through a

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3. IMO JMI, if I were a quadruple murderer, I would have found a place to dump the car. I would not leave a car waiting there, unless I had a safe place to do that. too much risk of someone seeing it and remembering.
4. IMO JMI, if I were a quadruple murderer, I would make sure that my kill car was destroyed, beyond DNA reach.
5. IMO JMI, if I were a quadruple murderer, I'd then hit the trail, 12 miles, great to think and work off some steam, and I'd land back in Moscow.
6. IMO JMI, if I were a quadruple murderer, I'd have left a car outside of the camera area in Moscow, and I'd make my way out via Palouse/Sand and up to Pullman where I could blend in with all the traffic leaving town, and the I'd mosey back to my place.

of course, I am not a quadruple murderer or even a plain old one, and 12 miles on a trail sends me straight to the kitchen to decide between holiday treats, but you get the idea. it's all JMO JMI but I think it's one possible explanation for the Troy / Kendrick connection.

I like this, but …

A lot of the Latah Trail is adjacent to farm land where people live. They have working farm/guard dogs that likely wouldn’t be quiet. Farmers/ranchers are perhaps less likely than folks in town to sleep through their dog(s) barking when the dogs are doing what they’re supposed to do.

Also, surveillance cameras, trail cams, etc are very common in the areas where private land is adjacent to public trails in this area for obvious reasons.

Of course, an organized prepared mass murderer might well have scoped out the trail in advance & made necessary adjustments/accommodations.

Just wanted to provide more data for the intriguing Latah Trail scenario

 

[Aquarian]

imo it sounded like there was some irritation there. how did you hear it?

Pretty matter of fact, not playful or joking.

 

[thatssoamy]

HG is not called Adam, he has a different name.
Also I think Adam is a friend of Kaylees boyfriend and maybe that is why the girls were calling J that night. Maybe Adam told J something. Kaylee sounds upset in that video asking Maddie what she told Adam.

Jmo

ETA - also K was engrossed in her phone at the grub truck, maybe she was texting Adam about what Maddie said. Either way the police will by now know who and what she was texting.

 

[cottonweaver]

Baseball cap. On the left without the hoodie, on the right with the hoodie pulled up.

View attachment 388283
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cold standing outside Grub Bus

hard to wear a hood with your cap back to front

 

[Bliss_Perth]

It bears repeating.

The reason why I think H.G. was "chaperoning" the girls is because he is a friend of Maddie's b.f., and was doing him a favor. JMHO.

Maddie's b.f. was out of town. He knew things got wild on weekends. He wanted Maddie to have some protection.

It is fortunate for HG. that the girls ditched him, and did not invite him back to the house. That probably saved his life.

I couldn't agree with you more Bonnie. And also everyone standing around the grub truck was hyper aware and reminded by a big sign on the side of the truck they were being recorded the whole time...