ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 33

[layer]

Yes, that is a good idea, but I meant a place where it would be easy to see or talk to Xana and Maddie together. I meant a place where Xana and Maddie would have been together since the killer went into two rooms.

Mad Greek

 

[Lillymac]

Which video are you referring to, the reporter outside the house and the white car that zooms by on upper street?

The food truck video. I've not seen a video with a moving car. Is there one, do you have a link handy?

 

[Zinn]

No, no, and no.

Why does this theory persist? If any of those were true, the roommates would not have "believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up."

I cannot imagine a single scenario where the roommates saw the victims' bodies and mistakenly concluded that they were passed out.

Psychology is really weird. When I was around the age of these college kids, I observed what was surely a fatal accident up ahead of me while driving. I was traveling north and saw a truck that was traveling south tumble down an embankment between the two roadways, ejecting and rolling over some occupants. My brain knew I must have just seen people being killed. The traffic slowed and others who were closer and had left their vehicles to assist were directing traffic around/away from the scene of the accident by the time I got closer myself and I averted my gaze. Once I got to open road again, I tried to recall exactly what I had seen and found to my surprise that a cartoony version of the incident played in my mind. Literally stick figures with Xs for eyes. I had never experienced that phenomenon before and have not experienced it since. In that moment, I would have been able to report that I saw people ejected and run over by a truck, but that’s it. My brain must have been protecting me from visuals I could not handle.

I have no idea how things played out with the surviving roommates that morning. They are survivors and potential witnesses and it’s possible details have been kept vague for that reason or other reasons related to the investigation. Still, I thought I’d throw out an example of how a reporting party might have some limitations in accurately reporting the condition of an victim.

 

[mms9900]

When I first learned that two roommates were at home, and survived the killings, I, like most, was shocked. Then when I heard that they did not report the crimes until just before noon, I assumed that they had just woken up, which I think would not be uncommon at all, for college kids on weekends when they could sleep in. Whatever they actually may have seen before summoning friends to the house is unknown to us, but I am willing to cut them some slack as to why they summoned the friends before 9-1-1 was called. It is likely that the friends were close enough by that they could get there in just a moment, and the girls were very likely traumatized, especially if they saw one of their roommates, "unconscious" on the floor.

I personally think the girls saw more than just an "unconscious" roommate, and they knew it. I think they were absolutely terrified, and in shock, and as a 60-something-year-old, I might think I would have reacted differently, but as a 20ish college kid, suddenly aware something horrific has happened in the home I shared with good friends, I am not certain that any of us would have been thinking more logically.

The surviving roommates are victims, as well, and I do not find anything "sketchy" about their actions. JMO

Since we don’t know exactly when the friends were summoned, I think perhaps the roommates texted friends before getting out of their beds and maybe planned to go out for late brunch/lunch. So people were on their way as an arranged time prior to roommates finding upstairs issues and calling 911. Of course this is complete speculation and what my roommates and I did in college. Sit in bed til close to noon texting friends about having lunch and talk about the previous night events. We would start getting ready and then head to the living room to wait for everyone to get to 5he house. This is just my thought of why the friends emerged and why 911 was called so late. Guess we will know the truth after the arrest and trial. Fingers crossed

 

[Shamrock1]

What strikes me most concerning the noise complaint is that now these same uncooperative partiers and acquaintances are dependent on the same LE to help confirm their lack of involvement in a gruesome murder.
I hope they've learned a lesson from this turn around and will have more respect for LE personnel that stays with them for the rest of their lives.

“Respect for LE” is not a pre-requisite for a proper investigation.

 

[Counttrarian]

ALL MOO, there are not many things that those not directly associated with the case know.
Public info: One or more perpetrators used a bladed weapon during the murder of 4 victims (various public information about the victims such as age, gender, appearance, occupation, social media, etc.), in the early hours of Sunday, 11/13, at a residence 1122 King Rd, Moscow ID (layout and visual info about the home are known). There were two surviving roommates at the residence at time of attack who were not attacked (who were also involved in a 9/11 related to the crime later Sunday), a canine pet of one of the victims appears to be uninjured.
Law enforcement has publicly cleared several persons. LE is seeking the public's assistance for information concerning a 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra that may be critical to the case.

Almost everything else about the perpetrator/s and crime scene is unknown. For all the public knows LE may have found fingerprints, a murder weapon and bloody clothing. The Elantra could be that of a person known to have been at the residence. The perpetrator could be 2 teenage females or a 'happily married' 50-year-old man etc.
Point being LE has been pretty tight lipped about releasing evidence, multiple agencies appear to be involved and there have been little to no leaks.
There are reasons why the investigation has been conducted in the manner it has to date.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Same thing happened to Gabby Petito after the case broke. It was talked about on WS. I think there was so much initial speculation that KG was the target, folks began to follow her in support (there was talk here of getting GP's SM the following it didn't get when she was alive) and also as a bookmark to see who else was commenting/following.

I don't doubt it. my point is that we can't assume it, and it should not be stated as fact or assumed away. jmo.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Maddie’s IG following has increased by roughly 41K. It’s a phenomenon that can occur after such high profile crimes.

that wasn't the case the other day. And I understand that follows increase, but the point is that we don't know what their following was, so we can't assume it. Period. We cannot just assume IMO.
But it's rather a moot point. it only takes one creepy stalker. imo.

 

[crax.t]

that wasn't the case the other day. And I understand that follows increase, but the point is that we don't know what their following was, so we can't assume it. Period. We cannot just assume IMO.
But it's rather a moot point. it only takes one creepy stalker. imo.

what's worse is that people are tagging the girls in their photos that have no relevance to them. it will be a person reading a book on a mountainside and have KG/XK/MM tagged. it's gross.

 

[LizWords]

The area around the house is dark, true, but that is really its only advantage for an attack. And even that is debatable because the parking lot behind the back where cars come and go is dangerous place to be if you're stalking. I've explained it in my previous post, but the house is really, really bad place to strike for a killer. Not only does the house have multiple occupants, but it's built like a maze. You really have to know where you're going or you might get lost and enter the wrong door, awaken someone, dog or whatever. The fact that this killer went there and awoke no-one shows that he was comfortable in that environment - either was there as a visitor before or stalked the house extensively. There's almost no escape routes outside the house. The only place you can leave are basically full of cameras towards Taylor Ave or the trees behind the house which leads you to the only route out from that area which is Walenta Dr. Walenta Dr itself has only one path leading out of the area - the rest are dead ends. The area around the house is also surprisingly active even at 3:00 AM since it's mostly young students situated there. The girls also came home very late so he either stalked that house for a long time or knew when they'd be back. Either way, it was planned and the house was chosen specifically. If he didn't care who was in the house, he could have just attacked the surviving roommates who came home much earlier. No, this guy waited until 3:00 AM to 4:00 AM to commence his attacks which speaks of a clear objective to me.

I'll say it again - this is really not an area you'd hit if you don't feel comfortable in it. The killer has to be the luckiest idiot in the world if he just stumbled upon that house randomly and decided to hit it just because. To me this whole thing speaks about a guy that is comfortable in the environment and has knowledge of both the house and area, but is still very amateur-like in his design and attack considering the risks he took. Knife also implies a very personal and rage induced attack and even disregard for his own life. I don't think this guy is some random who just chose these victims out of pure chance.

I think the odds of you being right are very good, but in no way is it definitely someone familiar with the house and/or its occupants.

So many horrific murders have been committed in similarly risky situations. BTK killed a family during broad daylight without knowing who exactly was in the house. The Gainesville ripper only stalked his victims for a day or less before entering houses and killing multiple people.

Probably one of the creepiest scenarios is someone like Daniel Marsh, a 16yo who chose a house at random in a populated neighborhood with an elderly couple in it and stabbed and mutilated them. He is the scariest, IMO, because he was very young yet very smart about it. He left no real evidence behind, he even duck taped his shoes so as not to leave identifiable prints behind. If he hadn’t started bragging about the murders, they likely would have not caught him when they did.

So yeah, MOO, it’s more likely the the perp was familiar with the house or the residents, but it’s not a sure thing. And longer LE goes without an arrest, the more abstract the potential motive seems to become…

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

what's worse is that people are tagging the girls in their photos that have no relevance to them. it will be a person reading a book on a mountainside and have KG/XK/MM tagged. it's gross.

Thanks, I did not know this. That's really sad. It's pathetic. I see the good of SM, but I have also seen the incredible downside, and I will not participate. SMH. I do think SG may have referred to KG's large following on SM right after the murders, but IDK where, so it can't be stated. this is all JMO.

 

[Lillymac]

Hyrecar might or other similar car share services.

I'm not familiar with any specific companies. I have a friend who drives for Uber and she has mentioned they require you have a car no older than a certain age and in good condition. In a small college town it may be a source of income for students, and they are not associated with a company. There's lots of different possibilities. I think being ditched somewhere with no plates at all would work. It's too common a car to be a get away car for me though. Hopefully it will be located soon and it will give some answers so LE can resolve it or move on. JMO

 

[LizWords]

what's worse is that people are tagging the girls in their photos that have no relevance to them. it will be a person reading a book on a mountainside and have KG/XK/MM tagged. it's gross.

The way people have been using the victims social media is reprehensible. It’s one thing to go look, it’s entirely different to tag their profiles or comment on every pic asking who is the guy blah blah blah.

I did check out their instagrams last week and was appalled by the number of comments from strangers theorizing about the crime on every dang photo. IDK how people can think thats ok in any way, shape, or form.

 

[crax.t]

The way people have been using the victims social media is reprehensible. It’s one thing to go look, it’s entirely different to tag their profiles or comment on every pic asking who is the guy blah blah blah.

I did check out their instagrams last week and was appalled by the number of comments from strangers theorizing about the crime on every dang photo. IDK how people can think thats ok in any way, shape, or form.

it's actually so infuriating. we all know negativity is louder than most things so these comments just spur horrible and gruesome theories, witch hunts and victim blaming. JMO

 

[thx4_medic_Babby]

The way people have been using the victims social media is reprehensible. It’s one thing to go look, it’s entirely different to tag their profiles or comment on every pic asking who is the guy blah blah blah.

I did check out their instagrams last week and was appalled by the number of comments from strangers theorizing about the crime on every dang photo. IDK how people can think thats ok in any way, shape, or form.

I’m actually amazed online sleuths don’t need any information whatsoever regarding the whereabouts or happenings of E/X that night (morning of) at Sigma Chi and other possible locations to determine their final product.

 

[Zinn]

that wasn't the case the other day. And I understand that follows increase, but the point is that we don't know what their following was, so we can't assume it. Period. We cannot just assume IMO.
But it's rather a moot point. it only takes one creepy stalker. imo.

I noted Maddie’s follower count on the evening of 11/14 when it was 2300. I don’t recall how many followers Kaylee and Xana had at that time. Current follower counts are Maddie 43.3K, Kaylee 53.9K, Xana 31K. I would guess the discrepancies are based on media coverage with Kaylee being the greatest focus due to her family’s exposure, then Maddie as she is often discussed in the context of the two of them, and then Xana who is less often a topic of discussion.

 

[PrincessIvy]

Pretty sure they are working on it themselves.
They are the investigators after all.

They're the only people who need that information right now.
It's none of our business unless they choose to make it so.

I can respect that.

Realistically what can anybody do with the DNA profile of a mass murderer?

We do not have power to arrest or take vengeance.

Nor are we entitled to that.

they can tell us the gender, race, physical features, etc. Then the public who may be whitenesses or have any info can narrow down their scope

 

[WildWest]

The food truck video. I've not seen a video with a moving car. Is there one, do you have a link handy?

I'm sorry I don't have a link, someone zoomed in on a storefront window, and you could see a white car turning away in the reflection.

 

[NyxNY]

White Elantra is LE trying to come up with something after almost 5 weeks of no arrests.

To be fair, they asked for the public's help 4 weeks ago. <modsnip>

 

[ventuc]

I think those words came from reporters, not likely accurate to what the survivors saw or said or thought. I’m unsure why some are questioning their actions.
Nothing sus there IMO

Exactly…IMO the official report is not accurate. Like someone else stated, possibly LE let that story stand so that specific details regarding what the roommates saw could stay under wraps for the integrity of the investigation. I think that by “summoning” friends, what really happened was there was screaming/crying going on that alerted some to stop at the house, and others were then called by those just arriving, so that there were several friends/family there by the time LE arrived. I don’t think it was ever one of the victims that was described as unconscious, but one of the surviving roommates. MOO