ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 36

[Snoop Sister]

The one where Kaylee came out was from October 16th. Just FYI for anyone looking for it.

The body cam footage when Kaylee came out to talk to LE was in August.

 

[Dotta]

I wonder why X's dad changed the lock in her bedroom's door recently.

And, does it mean that her bedroom wasn't locked that particular night after all?

Father of Idaho murder victim fixed lock at home in week before the killings

Former tenant said bedrooms had coded locks when he lived there

www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[IceCreamSundae]

Some theories not facts (just some thoughts) - moo:

1.the perp swung by the back entrance after the victims returned and was welcomed / let in as the housemates were still up all together eating their food etc (or returned with X and E) … this doesn’t mean he was part of the inner circle and could have easily been someone they only just met / met recently / was known to one of their other friends

2. Perp could have drugged them enough to make them drowsy but not knocked them out during this bit of the evening, making the crime easier to commit / or as someone else just suggested they were hit in their sleep first

3. Victims might have thought he’d left when they went to bed but he didn’t / was offered a place to crash

4.I read someone else’s post about this being a mass murder and thought that was strong, a small scale version of a mass shooting, albeit a different weapon. Bit of an outcast/loner, he went with a personal vendetta, disliked something about this group, and it was unbeknown to the victims (although not sure how that explains away the other housemates surviving that night but possibly was disturbed)

Thoughts/ideas not facts above.

I don’t think it is plausible to have been someone “spending the night.” That would have been too risky should any of the vics had texted a friend to say, “Hey, so and so is staying tonight.” IMO, killer was either waiting in the house (not my first choice) or entered after all the lights had been out for a little while and he felt the vics were asleep.

 

[IceCreamSundae]

I wonder why X's dad changed the lock in her bedroom's door recently.

And, does it mean that her bedroom wasn't locked that particular night after all?

That’s not really confirmed. It was a funny statement made by her mother at one point.

 

[IceCreamSundae]

‘I wasn’t followed’: Idaho ride-share driver comes forward

The rideshare driver who brought Kaylee Goncalves and Maddie Mogen home before they were murdered shared exclusive details with NewsNation.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[AngTxGal]

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Home • Idaho Capital Sun

idahocapitalsun.com

Wow!! Someone here had posted that there was not a lot of coverage in Idaho of these murders. It is true, if you choose the Idaho Capital Sun.

In the Idaho Capital Sun there is an article on the murders is on page 8 from Home. Go to the bottom click Read More and you can choose from pages 1-179 +

In addition, I put these words into the search bar for the Idaho Capital Sun
Moscow murders- Idaho University murders
The article on pg 8 is the ONLY article that came up In the Idaho Capital Sun search!

How prominent is the Idaho Capital Sun compared to other online newspapers?
The article is a repost from Nov 29, 2022.

University of Idaho considering scenarios for spring semester as murder investigations continues​

BY: KEVIN RICHERT - NOVEMBER 29, 2022 3:46 PM​

 

[AngTxGal]

I don't understand. What encounter at the door? If the door was unlocked, the killer just walks in. If the girls let the dog out, they just walk in then when the girls step away to use the rest room themselves perhaps.

Are there possible holes in that theory, sure, but it could work so I don't include it out.

You had mentioned a conversation possibly getting out of hand, then had described many situations where someone may come over to have a conversation with the residents about various topics That could get out of hand.
I was curious if he went home to get the knife, you mentioned he could carry it on him without appearing odd.

I was asking when in the timeline you thought this could take place.
Would you think all the victims were there awake together, or after they went to sleep.
Do you think it was with two of the roommates, and they were killed first? Then the perp waited in the home for the others to arrive home?

I’m not attempting to shoot down your thoughts, I had not considered that someone could have come to the door and they had let him in. I’m trying to understand.

JMO

 

[Blue_Painting]

I wonder.... in regards to the other cases being declared unrelated by LE.... LE has changed their mind on some things in the past (community is safe/community is not safe), perhaps they are just not wanting to come out and say they are related until they have more evidence.... personally, I am not convinced those other cases are not related. And I wonder if LE would come right out and say so anyway, I think they maybe do not want to tip off the killer so are perhaps just saying that, since they have been quite tight-lipped.

I often think about that as well, because of the dates and times. My gut says something else, however.

 

[AngTxGal]

Glad to see someone say this. I thought that is what the 'sloppy' thing was about, LE taunting a bit jmo.



I'm betting on good old-fashioned duct tape pre-cut and slapped on quickly, and a quick kill stab, plus more. I don't think a little duct tape would count as bound and gagged, but sure could silence a scream. One stab to the chest, however, and no noise.


DITTO Exactly. I think he found many ways to indulge his obsession and had easy access to Moscow. IMO.

I also think that his sexual pleasure probably came after the fact, probably in his alone time, maybe with trinkets, etc. that's just JMO but he could even have worn a light with camera to record the action. jmo

I had thought tape on mouths but the dispelling of the bound and gag rumor led me away.
Duct tape would do it, may not be part of how they defined ‘gagged’ ?

Another poster mentioned a pillow over the face, to silence and subdue while stabbing.
This would have to be employed for the second victim in the bed, I think.
Not sure how the perp would get from the side of the bed stabbing one to place the pillow on the other From the other side of the bed.
The stabs would have to be critically placed to quickly eliminate breaths for screaming, resistance, and thrashing from limbs that would alert anyone around Them.
This is why blunt force to the head seems plausible, while the coroner may have actually kept this info to herself.

Disturbing to even type, obviously this case has me in its grips, I keep hoping all throughout each day, and checking back to see if there is an arrest.
Prayers for the families and friends and community as they face Christmas ithis time of grieving, may the peace that passes all understanding find them where they are.

Whatever and how ever you celebrate, may the reason For the season come to mind. A season for caring, giving, sharing, loving. I cannot wait to see And hug my kids!
Be safe
JMO

 

[sleuththesloth]

I don’t think it is plausible to have been someone “spending the night.” That would have been too risky should any of the vics had texted a friend to say, “Hey, so and so is staying tonight.” IMO, killer was either waiting in the house (not my first choice) or entered after all the lights had been out for a little while and he felt the vics were asleep.

Yes ‘spending the night’ is very diff to ‘swinging by’ unannounced or ‘crashing’ later because it’s got so late… but do agree risky should one of them tell someone else they’re there or risk a SM post

 

[Ozoner]

I searched ' How to be Confident with a Knife '

Let us know when the fleet of black Chevy Tahoes surrounds your house.

And if you see a guy wearing a bulletproof vest and holding a rifle perched in one of your trees, stay away from the windows.

 

[citigirl]

My thoughts center on current danger from the killer. I am fine with LE withholding any information they want for the sake of the investigation and the trial- in general, we don't have a right to know. But K's dad said, in his first interview (IMO, don't have a link) that he didn't want any other family to go through this - I believe this plays a big part in his ongoing frustration. I concur. I am going to be really angry if LE knows this is a random person not tied to the victims previously who is likely to do this again, and soon. I feel in that case we do have the right to know this information.

It seems to me that, while finding who did this is extremely important, making sure it doesn't happen again is even more important. I don't mean to sound like I am bashing LE. They have a terrifically hard job and have to make a lot of judgment calls. I wouldn't want to be in their place.

 

[Stratocaster]

Can anyone confirm this?

I believe we've heard statements from all the parents of the victims of this unspeakable tragedy, except MM's parents? I know SG has more or less been the parents unofficial 'spokesperson' and his daughter and MM were inseparable.

Has the parents of MM made a statement?

 

[everybodhi]

My thoughts center on current danger from the killer. I am fine with LE withholding any information they want for the sake of the investigation and the trial- in general, we don't have a right to know. But K's dad said, in his first interview (IMO, don't have a link) that he didn't want any other family to go through this - I believe this plays a big part in his ongoing frustration. I concur. I am going to be really angry if LE knows this is a random person not tied to the victims previously who is likely to do this again, and soon. I feel in that case we do have the right to know this information.

It seems to me that, while finding who did this is extremely important, making sure it doesn't happen again is even more important. I don't mean to sound like I am bashing LE. They have a terrifically hard job and have to make a lot of judgment calls. I wouldn't want to be in their place.

How would LE spelling it out point blank that there’s a random killer out there change how you function?
Everyone should stay vigilant and lock their doors anyway, whether it was someone who they knew or not. Always.
I’m in another country and I’m still locking my doors

https://twitter.com/x/status/1606250767358099458

 

[rainwaterstill]

Can anyone confirm this?

I believe we've heard statements from all the parents of the victims of this unspeakable tragedy, except MM's parents? I know SG has more or less been the parents unofficial 'spokesperson' and his daughter and MM were inseparable.

Has the parents of MM made a statement?

Idaho murders: Grieving father of slain college student calls loss 'hardest thing in the world'

The devastated dad of murdered Idaho college student Madison "Maddie" Mogen called her death the "hardest thing in the world" and said he just wants justice.

www.foxnews.com

The linked article from Fox News is from Dec. 5, 2022.

 

[Ceska]

My thoughts center on current danger from the killer. I am fine with LE withholding any information they want for the sake of the investigation and the trial- in general, we don't have a right to know. But K's dad said, in his first interview (IMO, don't have a link) that he didn't want any other family to go through this - I believe this plays a big part in his ongoing frustration. I concur. I am going to be really angry if LE knows this is a random person not tied to the victims previously who is likely to do this again, and soon. I feel in that case we do have the right to know this information.

It seems to me that, while finding who did this is extremely important, making sure it doesn't happen again is even more important. I don't mean to sound like I am bashing LE. They have a terrifically hard job and have to make a lot of judgment calls. I wouldn't want to be in their place.

Good post. I agree 100%.

 

[Ceska]

How would LE spelling it out point blank that there’s a random killer out there change how you function?
Everyone should stay vigilant and lock their doors anyway, whether it was someone who they knew or not. Always.
I’m in another country and I’m still locking my doors

https://twitter.com/x/status/1606250767358099458

Just my opinion, but I think it would change how many people function quite a lot. Knowing if this was someone random vs. Someone the students knew or had contact with in some way, who was targeting those who were killed (for a reason) makes all the difference. Of course everyone should always be vigilant, but knowing that there is a random murderer out there vs someone who had it out for a particular victim or victims does change things, a lot, imo.

 

[CityKid]

Think how many people had access to the code to get inside the home, pretty scary. I dunno, I guess it is possible they were home, but it was reported they had left to go to the other party elsewhere, cops told them it was just a noise complaint and nothing more, so makes no sense to lie, but, who knows....but why would M talk to the police on the phone, why then not just come to the door, seems silly.

because the guys at the door told LE that none of the residents were there.

 

[layer]

Can anyone confirm this?

I believe we've heard statements from all the parents of the victims of this unspeakable tragedy, except MM's parents? I know SG has more or less been the parents unofficial 'spokesperson' and his daughter and MM were inseparable.

Has the parents of MM made a statement?

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University of Idaho murder victim's dad says he has to 'hope and trust' police will crack the case

Slain Idaho student Madison Mogen’s stepdad speaks out: ‘We’re angry’

The shattered father of slain University of Idaho student Madison "Maddie" Mogen called losing his only child the "hardest thing in the world"

 

[TIGER0822]

Question about the surviving roommates. Did either of them own a car? Also, do we know for sure they were home during the murders?

Pretty sure LE could verify that. They gotta be traumatized.