I am noticing numerous mistakes in MSM...now I try to read multiple sources on the same story. I think they are writing these stories so quickly that fact checking gets lost. To us, one word can change the meaning of a whole line of thought...makes it difficult to work on a theory. MOO
No, the article says THE car, not A car. Screenshot directly from article below.
I totally agree. It seems like about 99% of the information we 'know' about this case was released by people who were willing to speak to the media. This info may or may not be true - we have no idea at this point. For example, so many people (not necessarily here) seem to assume that the various white cars reported in the media are the car LE is looking for, but LE has not confirmed any of them.
I lean highly towards the killer not touching the girls on the first floor because he simply didn’t know they were there. If you look at picture of the house from the outside you’ll see how the first floor looks somewhat detached from the rest of the house and could be easily mistaken for a basement where you store things and or a place where you do the laundry.
I still think the killer was acquainted with at least one or more of the victims, possibly knew or knew of everyone who lived in that house, and had some familiarity with the house. I believe he laid in wait and watched the house that night. From what vantage point and for how long, Idk — obviously. MOO.I too have wondered if he laid in wait, entering while the house was empty that night. I even think he might have unlocked a couple of windows and left before the surviving roommates got home at 1:00, proceeding to sit in the backyard and watch for when the lights went out. Whoever he is, wherever he is, there's a cold-blooded killer out there and if they don't catch him I fear we will see more of his handiwork.
Perhaps the killer was deterred by the sight and sound of a squad car, the LE presence across the field. And took off out the back before he reached the lowest level.
Iirc, it was just the one unmarked police car that responded to the Band Field drunk college students incident.
I think the issue is the article makes out the car spotted near the murder scene was the same car found in Eugene. The car LE discounted.Strange, it isn't in mine.
MOO I'm not sure we're allowed to discuss A, but I think the only info we have on him comes from SG and not LE. The only info we have on the calls/messages from K&M also comes from the G family. If A is more than just the bartender as SG said, and unless/until we hear from a non-family source as to the content of the calls/messages, I'm definitely adding your thoughts here to my theory. Both the messages and A could be just as the G family described them, but they could be more in line with your thoughts here.
The scream the neighbor may have heard was also on the bodycam of one of the police officers who ticketed the boys for underage drinking. If you listen you can clearly hear a woman say "Stop it. Stop". The LE who's cam picked up the scream was standing fairly near the apartment building the neighbor lives in. The audio seemed to come from over his left shoulder behind him, which would have put it very close to the neighbor around the time the neighbor claimed to have heard it. It did not seem to interest the policeman wearing the bodycam as he did not even turn to look in that direction and may have dismissed it as a party going on in one of the apartments. The murder house was behind and to his left.
The killer and or killers more than likely came in from 2nd floor balcony and he and or they being the killers assumed they were on the first floor of house when they are actually on the 2nd floor with the below area being the basement and or laundry room.
If I were a survivor and woke up to someone on the floor above me (i.e. see someone sprawled on the floor, no obvious blood etc.), I would have done exactly what these survivors did. I wouldn't touch a thing; I would get out and call friends and 911. If the person was just passed out, I'd rather have professionals discover them and help them. If the person were dead and by approaching I could see blood, I wouldn't want to be in the building where a criminal could still be hiding. I wouldn't want to contaminate a potential crime scene. I wouldn't touch their doorknobs, keypads or any surface a criminal might have touched.
NIce post!
RSBM. No murder board with clippings and red string!?I'm still processing the implications of this realization, I need to work it into my flow charts and spreadsheets.
I tried to imagine what I would have done (I went to college before everyone had cell phones so I have to imagine its modern times). First text. Then multiple txts. Then call. Then multiple calls. Then walk up to check each roomate, maybe call from outside their door. If I couldn't get an answer to their locked rooms, I would have called a friend or asked a neighbor to bring a ladder and look in the windows. Then I would have called 911. MOO
That was my thinking as well. I know that there was a white unmarked car that has been misidentified as possibly being the white Elantra. But when I posted that previously, someone that apparently watched more bodycam footage than I have replied and purported that there was additional marked car(s) on that dispatch. Maybe even with cherries on?
I believe KG father when he was quoted as saying the coroner told him there was "hell of a battle" that occurred on the second floor. After killing his target on the 3rd floor, along with having to kill the other person he found sharing the bed, the murderer tried to creep down to the 2nd floor, and out the door, but encountered EC and/or XK, who had heard unusual stair creaks, and/or frightening noise from the victims. Also possible noisy trips on uneven flooring, mini steps, as another poster theorized yesterday. Another noisy battle ensued, hell of a battle.
Excellent posts. I haven’t ruled out much in these six weeks. Still taking it all in. I do lean toward “known-to-them” killer, with some trigger setting off the murders, but as I don’t discount a stranger killer, either.
I agree with what you say except I think the whereabouts of E&X during the night and who they were with is crucial to solving this.
