ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 38

[rizzo0904]

If it's lifestyle that whole town is in jeopardy.

No, not the entire town. But many of the college kids at UI.

 

[Trino]

I believe Bundy could possibly get away with his crimes today, but certainly not with the methods he used back then.

All the ruses he used to coerce women into his car would today be caught on camera. They'd have his car, license plate, and himself on video, so he couldn't today have used the same strategy.

The bite marks he left on some of the bodies would give LE the DNA, but the way his brain seemed to work, IMO if he were around now, he'd have adapted his way to an entirely different methodology. And maybe he'd choose today not to be his own lawyer, if he were again on trial.


I was thinking the same thing, @MrsWatson. His triplet brother being there would, IMO, absolutely prohibit his fraternity from going after one of their own.

My niece graduated from Penn State shortly before Timothy Piazza died due to alcohol hazing, which was then covered up by the entire fraternity. But they did that to save their OWN hides. I don't think all the ritualistic loyalty oaths would lead the members to cover up someone ELSE'S crime, particularly not of this intentional murder. Even if the murderer were one of their brothers. A tragic accident and then a disgusting coverup is not equal to covering for a mass murderer.

At least I hope the frat would see it that way.

Ah, dear ole Penn State and the unsolved library stabbing and murder of Betsy Aardsma. 1969. Never solved.

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

Need to find the female university professor that was murdered

Idaho police are probing a possible link between the brutal murders of four University of Idaho students and a similar case in Oregon where a husband and wife were stabbed in their beds by a crazed lunatic last year.
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killer slipped into the Oregon home undetected and took nothing from the property

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they [the killer] broke in early in the morning, both on the 13th, and stabbed my son 29 times.

Cops probe link between ID murders and similar OR stabbing of couple

Moscow Police Chief, James Fry, said his team is 'looking into any possible connection [to the] unsolved double stabbing,' despite the two events happening nearly 400 miles apart.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Montecore1]

It's news to me. To whom would you even report that, the DMV?

The insurance companies that are involved in paying the accident claim, also dealerships will tag a VIN of a car that been in an accident (even without insurance being involved) that way at trade in time and a CarFax is pulled they can/will offer much less claiming the accident has caused "diminished value" to the vehicle. If you are the claimant in an accident, your VIN will be tagged and you are able to file a separate DM Claim (diminished value). The "at fault" insurance must pay you the cash difference formula of what you would loose upon resale.

 

[flowershop]

This couldn't have been too much before the murders, the same holiday wreath is on the door. I wouldn't think they would have put that up too long before Nov 12th...

The video date is 9.02.22. The wreath is just decorative one- not holiday specific imo.

 

[Montecore1]

The video date is 9.02.22. The wreath is just decorative one- not holiday specific imo.

Yes I know...you're like the fifth person to point out my mistake LOL

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

Is the perpetrator finding the targets in social media?

 

[10ofRods]

SMB

When I do an advanced google search using the phrase "multiple people were stabbed in their home" - minus the word "Moscow", I get numerous returns. I haven't read all the returns but the most common motive seems to be domestic dispute. I'm not surprised.

Google Search

We need to tighten that up to "stabbed to death" or similar, otherwise, yes, there are hundreds and hundreds of articles over the past 5 years.

I personally am interested in the angle of 4 murders by knife, by 1 or more assailants, in a *private* space, not public (the data I am looking at is divided by LE officials at that level, public v. private - private homes).

Domestic issues are typically family annihilation, with the perp suiciding in many cases (but not always).

Are the dynamics of this class closer to DV? (Intimate partner or close friend?) (I don't think so)

So...anyway, I'm very interested in reading about similar cases (even 3 knife deaths at one private local would be fascinating to look into, in terms of case disposition but also other things).

 

[acutename]

We need to tighten that up to "stabbed to death" or similar, otherwise, yes, there are hundreds and hundreds of articles over the past 5 years.

I personally am interested in the angle of 4 murders by knife, by 1 or more assailants, in a *private* space, not public (the data I am looking at is divided by LE officials at that level, public v. private - private homes).

Domestic issues are typically family annihilation, with the perp suiciding in many cases (but not always).

Are the dynamics of this class closer to DV? (Intimate partner or close friend?) (I don't think so)

So...anyway, I'm very interested in reading about similar cases (even 3 knife deaths at one private local would be fascinating to look into, in terms of case disposition but also other things).

PM'd one; not allowed to post it

 

[eloquence]

Need to find the female university professor that was murdered

Idaho police are probing a possible link between the brutal murders of four University of Idaho students and a similar case in Oregon where a husband and wife were stabbed in their beds by a crazed lunatic last year.
------
killer slipped into the Oregon home undetected and took nothing from the property

-----
they [the killer] broke in early in the morning, both on the 13th, and stabbed my son 29 times.

Cops probe link between ID murders and similar OR stabbing of couple

Moscow Police Chief, James Fry, said his team is 'looking into any possible connection [to the] unsolved double stabbing,' despite the two events happening nearly 400 miles apart.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This was addressed and seemingly ruled out by the police in a PR on 11.27. Link

"There have been numerous media inquiries about a 1999 double stabbing in Pullman, Washington, and the 2021 double stabbing (with one death) in Salem, Oregon. While these cases share similarities with the King Street homicides, there does not appear to be any evidence to support the cases are related."

 

[rahod1]

I disagree. How many neighbors are in that area? Hundreds? Police do not have time to comb through them, at least not in any deep capacity. It would allow the killer to know the victims, possibly even be acquainted with them, but not be under any severe scrutiny from the police. It also allows him the opportunity to know the area itself, have intimate knowledge of the victim's movements and to have a very easy escape route back to his home. And unless you have footage that would put the perp at the crime scene around that hour, what do you have on him? And even then, so what? He lives in that area. It's the perfect excuse.

This isn't your typical *police* investigation. MOO>> You have the FBI in a HIGH-PROFILE case and they will leave NO STONE UNTURNED when investigating ALL neighbors as either possible witnesses or perpetrators. To fail to do so would be an abrogation of duty. If any neighbors (let's say within ear shot of the residence) are responsible, they will ultimately get caught, You don't need *footage of them at the scene*, there may convincing circumstantial evidence.
BTW...they could be under surveillance as well which could reveal compelling evidence going forward. MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

There are many ways to repaint a car, legal and nonlegal. I've repainted my own car, not that it was great, but it would have passed.

Which is why I specified legal.

 

[detectivewannab]

I don't think this has to do with drugs. Could be jealousy? Could be over money, but haven't seen anything to lean that way. Could be a person who vehemently disagrees with the lifestyle they live? Could be someone that was told NO and wasn't able to accept that? Any way, I think it's a white male in his mid to late 20s.

What about presciption dugs like adderall etc. ? Big in high schools and collages. Lots of presure to get the grades.

 

[ilovewings]

Richard Speck killed 8 student nurses in Chicago, July 14, 1966. This was the case that came to mind for me, but is not a direct comparison.

I also think of the Speck case when I think of this case as well. I also think of how one of the nurses in that case hid under the bed - he lost count of the nurses and he left the house thinking he killed them all. She was very brave and in the trial went right up to him and pointed him out as the killer. People have a hard time believing one person could murder several people in a home. It can be done- obviously.

 

[flowershop]

Yes I know...you're like the fifth person to point out my mistake LOL

I am just going for the low hanging fruit in this case at this point. I am not sure of many things!

 

[CSIDreamer]

Im in the auto biz and have I never hear of that, I know for a fact that is not the case in Texas. Now with that being said about complete paint jobs an accident is certainly tagged to the VIN

I've seen it numerous times when running checks on cars I'm interested in. Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone that repaints cars legally cannot report it against the VIN. JMO

 

[redrunner02]

I disagree fully on this... Those look like normal frat brothers for me. I'm sure they had the occasional weed joint and certainly some underage drinking, maybe a few of them did "party" stuff like cocaine as many kids do in college, but I really don't get "real shady" from any of the people in their circle or the police cam videos. The media is acting like they had this huge, wild party, project X style - seems like 10-20 people there, music clearly on too loud but that is a normal college pregame. I don't see anyone outside of a normal greek life college student.

I respect your opinion. Perhaps I should have worded my thoughts better. I will stand by my thoughts that IMO it was someone or some persons that were close to one or all of the victims. He or they knew the place well. Whoever did this obviously was a very bad person or persons. So I guess that explains why I feel there were some pretty nasty people that frequented that house.

 

[eyesopen]

Saw the latest body cam footage of another noise complaint on 9/2. Someone was definitely fed up with the noise coming from that house. Also it was pitch black darkness outside beyond the cops' flashlights.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I never use or mention the term SK. Much too broad a brush for me. The “connection” can be a glimpse or two in the crosshairs. Sometimes that’s all it takes to light the match (when his inherent tank is nearly full). It’s a compulsion of the worst type.

I hold to the belief that he resides nearby, within the line of sight and walking distance. He’s not personally known to the victims or a part of their inner social circle. They may have seen him, or vice versa. Aside from that? Nada. A killer needn’t always know the victims or even have a motive (ie: vendetta, rage, etc.) to commit such a crime. They may simply target the “home” - for whatever reason, and whoever is inside becomes collateral. Sometimes, they just go hunting. It’s the world in which we all live, and it’s shared with unimaginable creatures capable of committing unforgettable atrocities. Stay safe out there. JMOO.

<modsnip - not true of all serial killers>

And there is always a motive. We may not know it right now or understand it when we do find out what it was, but there is always a motive.

JMO

 

[Emerald1328]

Respectfully, as a Greek Life Alumni, there is no way my sorority or brothers would purposely keep silent about a deranged killer who viciously murdered 4 fellow members. Were missteps and questionable actions covered up and overlooked during those early learning years? Absolutely, but not something of this magnitude. No way IMO.

There is strong sense of fellowship/family among members and I believe if someone had reliable information, they would get it to LE right away.

JMO

Especially since Ethan’s triplet brother is in the same frat. It’s preposterous for people to think that Ethan’s brother would pick his frat brothers over his triplet brother. IMO.