ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[ILOKAL]

I volunteer with a Lost Dog Group (as well as a rescue), so this makes my heart happy.

What a generous and thoughtful way to give of your time .

 

[kammiemc]

I know many of us are dog lovers so for you and everyone I share this story I found. I don't know if it's been posted elsewhere but I know it will bring smiles and a warm heart to all.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80558245/

Mods, if too OT please delete with my apology.

Dogs are amazing. I can just picture Murphy being so relieved to see his/her bed. And the owners being so relieved to see Murphy.

 

[ILOKAL]

Dogs are amazing. I can just picture Murphy being so relieved to see his/her bed. And the owners being so relieved to see Murphy.

I know! Just amazing! And Murphy's little head resting on the hat.

 

[Mickshawn]

Dogs are amazing. I can just picture Murphy being so relieved to see his/her bed. And the owners being so relieved to see Murphy.

Oh, the stories I could tell.

 

[ClaireNC]

Just curious -- in your research did you find out if the $2500 is to hire just one searcher and a cadaver dog, or a whole team of searchers and dogs? Is Harry Oakes involved? Do you know how many days the search is planned for and what the distance is that will be searched?

If little Deorr is out there, I hope they are able to find him.

I believe most of the money being raised is for travel expenses, room and board. They want to get as many people there searching as possible. It is my understanding that Harry Oakes will not be participating. They want to use a search team that has no previous involvement with the case. The plan is to expand the radius of the search and cover areas that were previously not searched. They do have the blessing and support of the sheriff's office to conduct this search and there will be medical services on scene in case of an emergency.

I'll try to get some more details and post them later.

I hope this is OK to post. If not, Mods, please delete.

 

[Tripplogan]

Dogs are amazing. I can just picture Murphy being so relieved to see his/her bed. And the owners being so relieved to see Murphy.

That made me tear up in a good way.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Things also get confusing when there are multiple "places of interest". In this case, they are in two different main "places of interest" and they are also in different counties 2 hours apart. They are the campsite and DeOrr Jr.'s home. There are also multiple agencies involved and miscommunication is common. I hope that for the sake of DeOrr Jr. LE was very meticulous while collecting and obtaining information, getting warrants before searching, etc. The more that comes out in the media makes the first articles have incorrect information. It's bizarre.

IMO there are two more places of interest - GGP's home and IR's home.

 

[Arnie M]

It could be that LE and the press got the whole thing wrong and the parents actually relayed that they left their home and arrived at the campground on Thurs. But, is it an impossibility that the parents said they left IF and arrived at the campsite on Fri? I am thinking it's 50/50. I have no dog in this fight, but I am not sure why the automatic assumption is an ineptitude of either LE or Nate--or both--when there is literally nothing pointing in that direction.

Agreed , they arrived at the campsite on Thursday , but they also arrived at the campsite on Friday after the trip to the store . Both are correct when taken in context.

Then somebody on Social Media made a Monster out of the "perceived" contradiction

And that monster is still stomping around.

 

[kammiemc]

Agreed , they arrived at the campsite on Thursday , but they also arrived at the campsite on Friday after the trip to the store . Both are correct when taken in context.

Then somebody on Social Media made a Monster out of the "perceived" contradiction

And that monster is still stomping around.

I guess the only reason that paragraph struck me was that it totally took out of the equation the arrival discrepancy. It said that the parents told authorities that they left their home on Friday. Which would have made a Thurs arrival impossible. This is what LE told the press and why we believed it.
I am not looking for facts to create monsters OR exonerate people. I am just looking at it as a fact. And I don't assume that LE didn't get the info right or pass on the info right. I don't assume the reporter was wrong. There were too many chances for clarification. It makes the most sense to me that that was what LE was told by the parents. And that LE discovered otherwise during their investigation. But again, I don't ASSUME that to be true, because that would be really close minded since there is NO way for us to know what happened. I just know that is one possibility.


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[haven71]

Who would harm us this way? (JM says in the initial interview.). It sounded like an odd question to me in their interview. Who would harm US? (US-- being, presumably the parents. Where is question of Deorr's whereabouts or well-being?). "THIS WAY" (by taking Deorr, as opposed to hurting them in another way?). IMO that sounds like a potentially known abductor might've taken Deorr. If the parents believe it is in fact an abduction, are they truly thinking it was a random abduction?

On this train of thought, why did they hire the private investigator? Wouldn't his resources generally consist of those already exhausted by LE? Because if this was a random abduction...I would think fliers and media attention for his safe return would be EVERYWHERE. I would think that would be a lot better odds of finding him than by one single man alone looking for a needle in a haystack. What if it was an abduction by someone that JM and Deorr Sr knew? And that they really know or suspect who took him, and if they were involved, wouldn't want LE to know if there was something "big" enough that had gone on that they don't want LE knowing about. I think if this is the case, then they're expecting him to return to them alive at some point. That could account for what I got from the interview...a very nervous father who barely mentions his son, and a mother who looked tired, defeated...but not terrified. Yes, I know, everyone reacts differently. I still think that they could've been delving in the dark underworld of drugs and something went horribly wrong.

Then again, I took Ambien a half hour ago, so I am the one on drugs right now. I hope I'm at least getting my point across. My point being I don't know jack, but I have an active imagination.

 

[merlgerl]

Maybe she is giving a clue. Maybe she's saying there is a particular "who" that would harm them in this particular way and she wants LE to figure that out without her saying.

 

[Mickshawn]

haven71:

I'm having all the same thoughts as you and have been for quite awhile....Maybe he's supposed to be returned to the area at some point, hence the search at that time....Maybe someone is going to "drop him off"...and he'll need to be found.

On another note...something's up with posting...getting weird error message.

 

[SoccerMotha]

This case along with Lonzie's had finally prompted me to get my butt with the program & complete these Kid safe packets for "just in case," should the unthinkable happen, given to me by my mother in law. I had been putting it off, just too depressing ya know?

Now I have two angry little boys, who thought the fingerprinting was super cool, but mom yanking out strands of hair at the root, not so much.:sigh::

 

[kammiemc]

Who would harm us this way? (JM says in the initial interview.). It sounded like an odd question to me in their interview. Who would harm US? (US-- being, presumably the parents. Where is question of Deorr's whereabouts or well-being?). "THIS WAY" (by taking Deorr, as opposed to hurting them in another way?). IMO that sounds like a potentially known abductor might've taken Deorr. If the parents believe it is in fact an abduction, are they truly thinking it was a random abduction?

On this train of thought, why did they hire the private investigator? Wouldn't his resources generally consist of those already exhausted by LE? Because if this was a random abduction...I would think fliers and media attention for his safe return would be EVERYWHERE. I would think that would be a lot better odds of finding him than by one single man alone looking for a needle in a haystack. What if it was an abduction by someone that JM and Deorr Sr knew? And that they really know or suspect who took him, and if they were involved, wouldn't want LE to know if there was something "big" enough that had gone on that they don't want LE knowing about. I think if this is the case, then they're expecting him to return to them alive at some point. That could account for what I got from the interview...a very nervous father who barely mentions his son, and a mother who looked tired, defeated...but not terrified. Yes, I know, everyone reacts differently. I still think that they could've been delving in the dark underworld of drugs and something went horribly wrong.

Then again, I took Ambien a half hour ago, so I am the one on drugs right now. I hope I'm at least getting my point across. My point being I don't know jack, but I have an active imagination.

I don't discount this as a possibility. Or really, anything else as a possibility at this point. There is something not tracking with this case. Abduction might not be the most likely scenario, but if it were by someone they knew, maybe there is a connection (something that had happened) to make sense of why the parents might not have wanted LE (or anyone else) to know that they left their house on Thurs vs Fri, if what we originally believed was true. (I know a lot of people are firm believers that was a reporter error or even an LE error, but NONE of us know that.)


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[kammiemc]

Who would harm us this way? (JM says in the initial interview.). It sounded like an odd question to me in their interview. Who would harm US? (US-- being, presumably the parents. Where is question of Deorr's whereabouts or well-being?). "THIS WAY" (by taking Deorr, as opposed to hurting them in another way?). IMO that sounds like a potentially known abductor might've taken Deorr. If the parents believe it is in fact an abduction, are they truly thinking it was a random abduction?

On this train of thought, why did they hire the private investigator? Wouldn't his resources generally consist of those already exhausted by LE? Because if this was a random abduction...I would think fliers and media attention for his safe return would be EVERYWHERE. I would think that would be a lot better odds of finding him than by one single man alone looking for a needle in a haystack. What if it was an abduction by someone that JM and Deorr Sr knew? And that they really know or suspect who took him, and if they were involved, wouldn't want LE to know if there was something "big" enough that had gone on that they don't want LE knowing about. I think if this is the case, then they're expecting him to return to them alive at some point. That could account for what I got from the interview...a very nervous father who barely mentions his son, and a mother who looked tired, defeated...but not terrified. Yes, I know, everyone reacts differently. I still think that they could've been delving in the dark underworld of drugs and something went horribly wrong.

Then again, I took Ambien a half hour ago, so I am the one on drugs right now. I hope I'm at least getting my point across. My point being I don't know jack, but I have an active imagination.

I can understand why they would hire a PI. Because the sheriff thought the investigation was going in a different direction and named everyone at the campsite POI's, eventually even including GGP.

Since, after his investigation, the sheriff determined abduction was the least likely scenario, the parents needed someone to help them investigate what they said they believed was the most likely scenario: abduction.

But now that I think about it, you would think if there were ANY chance of abduction that the FBI would be all over that. I don't think they would wait to give their full report before saying, " yes, get this boy's posters out there, there is a chance he was abducted." IMO




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[Sillybilly]

The date of arrival was not bad reporting and the correct date was not corrected until over a month later, Aug. 12th despite a number of interviews from LE in the press. Personally, I am not going to make any assumptions or excuses for this huge error, it is what is.

From the Uncut video transcript (Aug 12):

Sheriff Bowerman:
“Well, the family, from what I understand,that we learned during the investigation arrived the evening prior to July 10th, sometime fairly close to dark on Thursday, July 9th..."

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/ Article underneath (updated Aug. 18th)

"Authorities had said the group arrived Friday, July 10,.."

I believe it was pointed out before that the first quote above is a direct quote attributed to the Sheriff.

The second is NOT a direct quote by the Sheriff or authorities; it is simply a line from the article that you have placed quotes around, and very possibly reporter misinterpretation.

Big difference.

 

[TheGambler]

IMO there are two more places of interest - GGP's home and IR's home.

Why GGP's home? I don't get it.

I think you are implying that maybe something happened to Deorr before they left for camp? Totally guessing here. But they lived with baby Deorr's paternal grandpa, not the maternal GGP (the one on the camping trip).

Maybe I'm not understanding.

Edit: Ok, sorry I reread your post which included IR. Scratch what I posted above. Are you saying there would be clues as to what happened to him at their homes? They brought back some evidence to their home?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

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Why GGP's home? I don't get it.

I think you are implying that maybe something happened to Deorr before they left for camp? Totally guessing here. But they lived with baby Deorr's paternal grandpa, not the maternal GGP (the one on the camping trip).

Maybe I'm not understanding.

Edit: Ok, sorry I reread your post which included IR. Scratch what I posted above. Are you saying there would be clues as to what happened to him at their homes? They brought back some evidence to their home?

What I'm saying is all POIs would/should have their homes searched. Evidence prior to or evidence after - anything is possible.

 

[ILOKAL]

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What I'm saying is all POIs would/should have their homes searched. Evidence prior to or evidence after - anything is possible.

I may just be imagining it but I thought a recent article/report stated that the homes and vehicles of all POI had been searched. I believe the parents had their home and vehicles searched more than once, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I may just be imagining it but I thought a recent article/report stated that the homes and vehicles of all POI had been searched. I believe the parents had their home and vehicles searched more than once, if I'm not mistaken.

Thanks!