ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[Eileen730]

To carry out a re-enactment one needs to know exactly what happened to the point in focus.

People involved have to be telling the 100% truth.

Timelines need to be accurate.


Since day 1 this case has had none of the above. No agreement on who was doing what and when. A distinct impression (for me) that not everything is known. The timeline has changed more times than I've had hot dinners.


In this case, for me, a re-enactment is not going to benefit anyone - except the defence.

This will be very telling IMO because they can compare the original statement with this review enactment

 

[Jules71]

So what would you say?

If I knew my child was dead or safely hidden away? Nothing.

If I didn't know what happend or where my child was? Please help us search, please keep your eyes open, please bring my child home. Please keep my son's story alive until we find him. Maybe talk about the events of the day again. Talk about the man in the store. Be open to answering questions about who might want to hurt them. There is a lot to say IMO.

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[kammiemc]

What would be absolutely tragic is if the parents left DeOrr, assuming GGP would keep an eye out for him, and realized after a long while had passed that they hadn't actually made 100% sure that GGP knew he was in charge.

Imagine a scenario where they returned to the campsite and their worse fear came true--little DeOrr was gone. Here would be an awful thing: What if they were able to find him but he was not alive and there was not only shock and grief, but also panic over what to do.

If he were already deceased could have the POI's (one or all) worried that they might face charges, like neglect or worse? Depending on their backgrounds and if there are other children to consider, I don't know how desperate they might feel to make sure it didn't appear his death was caused by neglect. Would someone feel desperate enough to cover something that happened to little DeOrr while no one was supervising him?

In a surreal moment, did someone make the executive decision that it would be better to just make it seem like he went missing? I imagine that this is one out of many possibilities considered by LE/FBI.

I would feel VERY bad for the parents in this case. I can't imagine grief combined with fear and guilt over making a panicked decision. I guess the only silver lining of this particular scenario would be that they would know what happened to him.


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[rkf]

Conducting a re-enactment to prove to the public that the parents weren't involved in the disappearance of little DeOrr is pretty opposite of going quiet so that the focus will be on DeOrr, so I'm not totally following that logic.

But I am glad that they are doing something, because I don't think that the family going silent makes people focus more on the toddler. In fact, I think they're the only ones who can make some noise and keep DeOrr on people's radars.

He is a such a beautiful child. I think the grandma is absolutely heartbroken.

How are they going to prove a negative?

 

[rkf]

My question was what if you knew it would do no good AND it would bring criticism. Not if it might do good but you'd get criticized. If you knew the only thing that would come from whatever you say or do is only more harsh judgment.

She didn't look to me like she cared what people thought. I think she's beyond that.

If the family believes DeOrr was abducted, by a stranger or someone they know, why would they think speaking up couldn't help? If he was lost in the woods, I can see how talking about him wouldn't help, but not if he might be found alive somewhere. JMO

 

[blefuscu]

If the family believes DeOrr was abducted, by a stranger or someone they know, why would they think speaking up couldn't help? If he was lost in the woods, I can see how talking about him wouldn't help, but not if he might be found alive somewhere. JMO

It puzzles me too. I think Deorr's parents are totally innocent in this but I don't understand the total lack of media interaction. If it were my child I'd be desperately trying to get the information out about him

 

[bluesneakers]

If the family believes DeOrr was abducted, by a stranger or someone they know, why would they think speaking up couldn't help? If he was lost in the woods, I can see how talking about him wouldn't help, but not if he might be found alive somewhere. JMO

I think DeOrr's mother has lost all hope. To me it looked like it took everything she had just to BE at that interview.

 

[kammiemc]

It puzzles me too. I think Deorr's parents are totally innocent in this but I don't understand the total lack of media interaction. If it were my child I'd be desperately trying to get the information out about him

I know, the grandmother's explanation of the family going silent so that the focus would be on the baby didn't track with me because silence has the opposite effect of drawing focus to the baby.

I think avoidance of being judged and shame are probably more accurate. And I also wonder if the parents truly believe DeOrr was abducted. It seems if that were the case, none of the above reasons could keep them from making noise to try to get people to find their son.


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[Rayemonde]

http://m.localnews8.com/news/10000-...g-toddler-case/35229162#.VfNh_ugPbUM.facebook

The Private Investigator has offered a $10,000 reward for information on the boy's whereabouts.

Vilt said it's possible DeOrr could have been abducted and sold on the underground adoption market.

“Blonde little boys and girls are very valuable on the underground adoption,” he said.

Monday Vilt and members of the Kunz family will return to the Leadore area to re-enact Kunz's disappearance. Vilt is hoping this proves Kunz was abducted and that his parents played no role in his disappearance.

Is there any truth in this "underground adoption market" stuff?? Are there any cases where a child has actually been abducted then sold on the "underground adoption market"?? It seems very unlikely to me.

 

[Mickshawn]

http://m.localnews8.com/news/10000-...g-toddler-case/35229162#.VfNh_ugPbUM.facebook

The Private Investigator has offered a $10,000 reward for information on the boy's whereabouts.



Is there any truth in this "underground adoption market" stuff?? Are there any cases where a child has actually been abducted then sold on the "underground adoption market"?? It seems very unlikely to me.

I just Googled "underground adoption market". There's scads of articles. Here's one from NPR, a reputable source:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...als-underground-market-for-re-homing-adoptees

 

[flourish]

It puzzles me too. I think Deorr's parents are totally innocent in this but I don't understand the total lack of media interaction. If it were my child I'd be desperately trying to get the information out about him

See...but now they do and it's suddenly "not getting information out" but "covering" and/or "backpedalling" and/or not good enough.

 

[Cardinal47]

It puzzles me too. I think Deorr's parents are totally innocent in this but I don't understand the total lack of media interaction. If it were my child I'd be desperately trying to get the information out about him

Well they did do the one interview and that surely did come back to bite them. I think they have been advised to do nothing. But in writing this who would say that? Say nothing???

I am thinking of Dylans Mother and Kyrons Mother. They never give up and they appear anytime that can get a headline and their childs name, picture on the news.

This one is surely very strange. The sheriff, the newsman and also the family and even the PI...nothing.

Where is everybody? Everybody seems to have disappeared.

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

You've probably already seen these articles, but I'm just catching up...
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http://www.localnews8.com/news/onemonth-mark-of-the-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34638970
And here:
https://www.facebook.com/LocalNews8/posts/10153538256878872

 

[Cardinal47]

It puzzles me too. I think Deorr's parents are totally innocent in this but I don't understand the total lack of media interaction. If it were my child I'd be desperately trying to get the information out about him

I feel the same way. I want to believe them and sympathize with them but where are they?

Kind of reminds me of Isabel Celis. Her parents did a couple of things and were harshly criticized. Poor Isabel still missing and silence.

I guess people are different in how they handle tragic things that happen to them.

MOO

 

[Cardinal47]

http://m.localnews8.com/news/10000-...g-toddler-case/35229162#.VfNh_ugPbUM.facebook

The Private Investigator has offered a $10,000 reward for information on the boy's whereabouts.



Is there any truth in this "underground adoption market" stuff?? Are there any cases where a child has actually been abducted then sold on the "underground adoption market"?? It seems very unlikely to me.

To me..Vilt is useless. Just another player in this drama.

MOO

 

[kammiemc]

See...but now they do and it's suddenly "not getting information out" but "covering" and/or "backpedalling" and/or not good enough.

One unlikely, but possible scenario is that something accidental happened to DeOrr and someone at the campsite panicked and decided to cover.

But the possibility of that scenario has nothing to do with this most recent interview. It has to do with nothing adding up in this case, and a toddler still missing plus many weeks of radio silence (when the parents believe little DeOrr was abducted and that person has not yet been caught).
I have no strong sense of what happened to DeOrr. Nothing would totally shock me at this point. I hope the FBI can shed some more light.


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[bluesneakers]

See...but now they do and it's suddenly "not getting information out" but "covering" and/or "backpedalling" and/or not good enough.

Someone should write a handbook for how grieving parents of missing children should behave in public because apparently none of them are doing it right.

 

[kammiemc]

I feel the same way. I want to believe them and sympathize with them but where are they?

Kind of reminds me of Isabel Celis. Her parents did a couple of things and were harshly criticized. Poor Isabel still missing and silence.

I guess people are different in how they handle tragic things that happen to them.

MOO

I sympathize with them no matter what happened. And I do not judge their behavior just because others might respond to the situation differently (including myself). But I am glad I am not the person who is stuck with determining if each person of interest, since the moment of the 911 calls, has been 100% truthful the entire time. Without personally knowing these people and without tools that help determine how truthful someone is being, it's pretty subjective. I don't even think I could guess!


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[TeaTime]

Just how many articles can Nate write that do not have something new to print? He is the only 'media' coverage and it is local to boot. It is not like they have international news crews hanging out in the Kunz driveway. They only have Nate, how can you blame them for not being in the media more? Nate can only do stories that have some 'news'. He should have been up in the campground filming the family doing their searches on weekends. That is newsworthy but isn't covered by the only media source they have.

 

[flourish]

Someone should write a handbook for how grieving parents of missing children should behave in public because apparently none of them are doing it right.

I never did "get it right." Twenty years ago it was, cry and they say hysterical, don't cry and you're cold and uncaring. Now it's "I don't understand how you get out of bed" along with "it's been twenty years, move on/get over it, etc." I am who I am. My emotions are what they are. My actions have been varied and possibly bizarre at times, but none of that ever changed the fact that I never hurt my child, and he was still gone. This poor mother. I'm all too familiar with being in an awful situation in that unique locale and culture.

Eta: I misread, thought you said "grieving parents," not specifically missing kids. My child was never missing, thank goodness, not thank goodness we were violent crime victims but my point still stands, I just wanted to clarify.