ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[TheTruthWillOut]

This is one of my top theories, and it honestly clicks more and more for me as time goes on.

There is a major hurdle though. The accounts have the parents/IR at the creek at what must be <100 feet apart given all were within 150 feet.

How could IR do anything?

It will be interesting if IR/GGP are included in the reconstruction.

 

[renarde]

There is a major hurdle though. The accounts have the parents/IR at the creek at what must be <100 feet apart given all were within 150 feet.

How could IR do anything?

It will be interesting if IR/GGP are included in the reconstruction.

It doesn't sound like IR will be included:

"Monday Vilt and members of the Kunz family will return to the Leadore area to re-enact Kunz's disappearance."
http://www.localnews8.com/news/10000-reward-offered-for-leads-in-missing-toddler-case/35229162

 

[TeaTime]

I do not know how a re-enactment can prove anything but I am hoping that the DVD they create will be sent to all national media outlets. The parents are doing all they can to find their son but they believe he may have been abducted and no one in LE is going down that path. Imagine being an innocent parent of a lost child and no one will issue an Amber Alert or even investigate the possibility of an abduction. They also think he may have wandered away and perished in the wilderness so they search on weekends. I don't know what else they could do that would satisfy everyone.

 

[iluvmua]

When will the FBI reports be done?

 

[wondering25]

It doesn't sound like IR will be included:

"Monday Vilt and members of the Kunz family will return to the Leadore area to re-enact Kunz's disappearance."
http://www.localnews8.com/news/10000-reward-offered-for-leads-in-missing-toddler-case/35229162

BBM
Maybe it will trigger something in their memory by re-enacting this?

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Monday Vilt and members of the Kunz family will return to the Leadore area to re-enact Kunz's disappearance. Vilt is hoping this proves Kunz was abducted and [/FONT]that his parents played no role in his disappearance.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] (link above in quote). [/FONT]
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How do you prove he was abducted without one shred of evidence? How do you prove any of the theories? There is no evidence of animals snatching him or drowning either. If they feel they have to do this, if they think this will help their mental state, then who am I to say anything?JMO. I just dont see how this "proves" anything. What am I missing? JMO[/FONT]

 

[Deleted member 718]

You know, quite frankly that makes sense. It answers why they believe he was "abducted" yet continue to search the forest for their son. I certainly don't like pointing a finger at ANYONE, but the re-enactment might cause someone to try to physically explain and put into actual action what they have been "telling" LE. In the end, it just might not add up.

We still have the question of what the parents were up to for the 20-45 minutes no one was watching Deorr. Again, not pointing fingers, but I hope to learn where they were positioned and what they were doing.

“We decided we were gonna do a little exploring,” Kunz Sr. said “It’s such a small area – that’s what a lot of people don’t understand. They just assume, ‘How could you let your kid out of your sight.’ Well, this area is pretty well blocked in and there’s no way you couldn’t not see him.”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/heartbroken-parents-of-missing-2-year-old-well-find-you-son/

 

[ILOKAL]

It doesn't sound like IR will be included:

"Monday Vilt and members of the Kunz family will return to the Leadore area to re-enact Kunz's disappearance."
http://www.localnews8.com/news/10000-reward-offered-for-leads-in-missing-toddler-case/35229162

Hmmm, I didn't notice that. Of course we know IR has been back there on at least two occasions with the sheriff and perhaps even more with investigators and the FBI. No doubt he did a walk-through (IMO) at those times. It may be he isn't wanted there for the re-enactment for any number of reasons and the re-enactment will be compared to what IR no doubt demonstrated happened. I know if I, as a parent, thought someone had harmed my child I wouldn't want to be in their presence for fear of how I might react. Presumably IR has family in the area. I wonder if any of them have come forward with information?

 

[lauriej]

When will the FBI reports be done?

--"within weeks", according to this article.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/09...r-disappeared/
DeOrr Kunz family remains hopeful two months after toddler disappeared
September 11, 2015
--snip--

Right now the FBI is reviewing the case and a report is expected within weeks.

 

[sonjay]

We still have the question of what the parents were up to for the 20-45 minutes no one was watching Deorr. Again, not pointing fingers, but I hope to learn where they were positioned and what they were doing.

“We decided we were gonna do a little exploring,” Kunz Sr. said “It’s such a small area – that’s what a lot of people don’t understand. They just assume, ‘How could you let your kid out of your sight.’ Well, this area is pretty well blocked in and there’s no way you couldn’t not see him.”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/heartbroken-parents-of-missing-2-year-old-well-find-you-son/

But they think some outside party came in, grabbed up the boy and disappeared without being seen. Strange.

 

[Purplepixii]

I wonder what LE/FBI think of this "re-enactment". Will either / both be present to observe?

I mean, if it's accurate, it would surely be great for the authorities to get a better grasp of who was where and what might have happened.

Who will play little De'orr and Isaac? Will Nate (or anyone else from the media) record it taking place?

I really want to believe it will be accurate and will help but I'm less than optimistic.


And after all of those questions I still have 1 which I cannot find a definitive answer for: Was the vault/pit toilet at the campsite ever drained? Gross subject I know but it's one of the many (and niggling) questions I have regarding this case. :thinking:

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I wonder what LE/FBI think of this "re-enactment". Will either / both be present to observe?

I mean, if it's accurate, it would surely be great for the authorities to get a better grasp of who was where and what might have happened.

Who will play little De'orr and Isaac? Will Nate (or anyone else from the media) record it taking place?

I really want to believe it will be accurate and will help but I'm less than optimistic.


And after all of those questions I still have 1 which I cannot find a definitive answer for: Was the vault/pit toilet at the campsite ever drained? Gross subject I know but it's one of the many (and niggling) questions I have regarding this case. :thinking:

It certainly isn't something that happens often. I do remember in the McCann case all players refused to do one for the Portuguese police but did a partial one themselves a couple of years later.

Wait and see I guess.

 

[Cardinal47]

This is one of my top theories, and it honestly clicks more and more for me as time goes on.

It's certainly one that makes the most sense. If IR took him but nobody knows where he is. That would answer a lot of questions and make the parents more understandable.

Somebody upthread wrote that maybe DeOrr didn't even go to town with the parents but stayed behind with grandpa and IR. That would open a huge window of opportunity.

All speculation here. Thinking out loud.

Rumor and MOO

 

[MJ1960]

It's certainly one that makes the most sense. If IR took him but nobody knows where he is. That would answer a lot of questions and make the parents more understandable.

Somebody upthread wrote that maybe DeOrr didn't even go to town with the parents but stayed behind with grandpa and IR. That would open a huge window of opportunity.

All speculation here. Thinking out loud.

Rumor and MOO

I've also wondered if Deorr Jr. did go to town, but perhaps was abducted from the car and the parents didn't notice until they got back to the camp site. And then being embarrassed about that, hence the timelines not adding up.

At this point, having followed this story since the beginning and reading up on it multiple times a day...I personally haven't ruled anything out. There are so many "what if's."

What if the man staring actually had something to do with this? What if JM's motherly intuition was spot-on?

What if the 6pm sighting at the store was in fact Deorr, Jr.?

What if the store clerk had something to do with it? With the "filthy" and "bawling" comments, maybe someone felt it their duty to take better care of Deorr.

What if the sightings of a small boy in a car with Oklahoma plates was a genuine sighting?

With no physical evidence of him being lost in the woods, and no physical evidence of him being abducted - I mean, we literally have nothing to go on - then I think it's possible for anything to have happened.

 

[renarde]

When did they go to the Stage Stop? Thursday around 6 p.m.? Or noonish on Friday? Or 6 p.m. on Friday? Could they have gone more than once?

 

[katydid23]

I had a different little girl in mind. In Nevada or Utah? She and her mom had gone to the neighbors house to sell GS cookies. He kidnapped her from the house and killed her. LE was on his trail right away and let him play into their hands. Can't for the life of me remember the name.

Danielle Van Dam. :rose:

 

[katydid23]

There is a major hurdle though. The accounts have the parents/IR at the creek at what must be <100 feet apart given all were within 150 feet.

How could IR do anything?

It will be interesting if IR/GGP are included in the reconstruction.

I think there are sneaky things IR could have done but it all depends on factors we don't know about yet. EXACTLY where was IR when the baby vanished? With GGP or at the creek or in his tent? Did IR have access to a bicycle or a 4 wheeler or a vehicle? When exactly did he find out the boy was missing? Did he come back and start searching? Or was he MIA for the entire afternoon?

We don't know any of the above. I hope that info will be added into the re-enactment.

 

[ILOKAL]

Danielle Van Dam. :rose:

Yes, thank you.

 

[TeaTime]

IR could not walk far enough away with the baby to have him vanish such that the search of a 2.5-3 mile circumference would not locate him and have IR get back to the campsite - all within 20 to 45 minutes. I do not think IR was involved with a kidnapping.

 

[Cardinal47]

IR could not walk far enough away with the baby to have him vanish such that the search of a 2.5-3 mile circumference would not locate him and have IR get back to the campsite - all within 20 to 45 minutes. I do not think IR was involved with a kidnapping.

I have seen pictures of the search and it is vast and lots of brush knee high. Did the dogs make a mistake? Didn't I hear somewhere that dogs complety missed a body laying within feet?

Also if memory served me right didn't they stop the reservoir search immediately when they discovered the cremains?

Could he be in that reservoir all this time? Maybe.

Recently a young man went missing up in Indiana. He came out of a tavern, stopped at his friends house and disappeared.

They found him in his car down at the bottom of a retention pond six weeks later. Nothing indicated he had gone in. No skid marks or lawn damage anywhere. Must have caterpulted right over the curb.

Btw his last phone ping was 10 miles away.

Strange things do happen.

 

[desert-blue]

IR could not walk far enough away with the baby to have him vanish such that the search of a 2.5-3 mile circumference would not locate him and have IR get back to the campsite - all within 20 to 45 minutes. I do not think IR was involved with a kidnapping.

With the timeline we've been given, I agree that IR could not have kidnapped him. However, the parents, who are the ones who have given the timeline, do seem to think their child may have been abducted. If IR didn't have time to kidnap him, how did someone else have time? We don't know anything about IR's movements immediately after Deorr went missing. It's been said that he was fishing around the time that Deorr went missing but beyond that nothing much has been said as far as I can recall? We don't know if he helped search for Deorr or if he just went home to Idaho Falls, or what exactly he did in the minutes and hours after the 911 calls.

I've never really had the feeling IR was involved but I guess I've been trying to find a way to explain the family's theory that Deorr was abducted and also make sense of them getting word out only to local news stations and not trying to bring in more search teams to look for him. Although, if they think IR abducted him and somehow sold him to an underground adoption company, I would think they would want national or even international news coverage, which hasn't been the case.

I guess I'm at a loss again. I have no idea what happened. I hope that the FBI releases some information soon.