ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #11

[desert-blue]

This raised my hinky meter when in their first interview, they didn't even mention that IR was at the camp site, as though he wasn't there. Ignoring the elephant in the room ? Did / do they think he has something to do with it?

It seems to me that if the family thought that IR did something, their "feelings" would have leaked out by now on SM or through the PI. Even Mr. Vilt, in his quest to prove that the parents were not involved, has not implicated IR (instead he seems to have implicated GGP). They (the family and PI) have also come out and accused a stranger that stares and drives a black Jeep Rubicon, so why would they hesitate to accuse IR? At least that would make some sense - more so than accusing a compete stranger that was seen in Swan Valley a week later. (I'm not saying IR had anything to do with Deorr's disappearance but based on his background, it is at least somewhat plausible). MOO.

 

[kammiemc]

I believe LE when they say an abduction did not take place.

I totally agree with both you and Neesaki and the sheriff. Abduction highly unlikely.

But your posts made me think of something. Yesterday we were talking about why the parents would believe this is an abduction situation.

One thing I hadn't considered (although it's glaringly obvious) is that if the toddler's remains are ever found somewhere that indicates they were hidden by a person, the only possibilities would be an abduction or involvement by someone at the campsite.

 

[wondering25]

It seems to me that if the family thought that IR did something, their "feelings" would have leaked out by now on SM or through the PI. Even Mr. Vilt, in his quest to prove that the parents were not involved, has not implicated IR (instead he seems to have implicated GGP). They (the family and PI) have also come out and accused a stranger that stares and drives a black Jeep Rubicon, so why would they hesitate to accuse IR? At least that would make some sense - more so than accusing a compete stranger that was seen in Swan Valley a week later. (I'm not saying IR had anything to do with Deorr's disappearance but based on his background, it is at least somewhat plausible). MOO.

Thanks, you said what i was trying to say.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Perhaps the family wants to implicate someone who cannot defend themselves (i.e: the man). Maybe GGP has agreed to "take one for the team" and not speak out when anything is implied about him. It could be: "We don't really mean what we are saying but we need them to stop saying we're killers, gramps!"

 

[katydid23]

It seems to me that if the family thought that IR did something, their "feelings" would have leaked out by now on SM or through the PI. Even Mr. Vilt, in his quest to prove that the parents were not involved, has not implicated IR (instead he seems to have implicated GGP). They (the family and PI) have also come out and accused a stranger that stares and drives a black Jeep Rubicon, so why would they hesitate to accuse IR? At least that would make some sense - more so than accusing a compete stranger that was seen in Swan Valley a week later. (I'm not saying IR had anything to do with Deorr's disappearance but based on his background, it is at least somewhat plausible). MOO.

The grandmother was very suspicious of IR and even said how weird it was that he told inconsistent stories about where he was when DeOrr vanished.

 

[desert-blue]

The grandmother was very suspicious of IR and even said how weird it was that he told inconsistent stories about where he was when DeOrr vanished.

That's true (*although it was on FB) but JM and DK haven't accused him, as far as I know. Grandma was not there. She may have suspicions (just as others do) and IR is certainly suspicious, IMO. However, it seems to me that if the parents suspected IR, that the PI would be all over it (and if there was any evidence of IR being involved, wouldn't that take the spotlight off the parents, which seems to be his goal?) . It is baffling for sure.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

The grandmother was very suspicious of IR and even said how weird it was that he told inconsistent stories about where he was when DeOrr vanished.

Is that a SM rumor or do you have a reputable link?

 

[katydid23]

Is that a SM rumor or do you have a reputable link?

I was replying to a post which said that none of the family was saying on SM that they were suspicious of IR. And I aid that Grandma did say that she was on SM.

 

[neesaki]

No, my point was about IR. JM apparently has not focused on any of the POI and has focused on abduction from the beginning..most recently the leering man. Therefore, those who question IR's possible involvement might need to understand that JM (who was at the campsite) has already dismissed IR as a possible suspect. JMO

Originally Posted by neesaki
This raised my hinky meter when in their first interview, they didn't even mention that IR was at the camp site, as though he wasn't there. Ignoring the elephant in the room ?"

edited to add the post i was really responding to above

I was referencing the parents' line of thinking initially at the time of that first interview. Maybe it's changed or not, I don't know. Still, if there was an abduction, there could have been more than one person involved. JMO

 

[Dee10]

According to the go fund me site, LE has decided they do not want outside searches done at this point and the money collected is being returned.

 

[bakerlady]

Can anyone clue me in as to why GGP is the only adult out of the 4 who has not been named?

Does this mean we are not allowed to sleuth him?

This is just my opinion and does not relate to this case per se but I have been on this site long enough to realize that just because someone is a family member, young or old, does not imply innocence. Unfortunately it is usually the opposite.

It has happened before where a crime or accident has occurred within a family and they have sought help from others to 'cover it up'. There are people who will do anything for money....

There are also tight knit families that will 'take secrets to the grave' so to speak, in order to preserve the 'family name'.

 

[wondering25]

I was referencing the parents' line of thinking initially at the time of that first interview. Maybe it's changed or not, I don't know. Still, if there was an abduction, there could have been more than one person involved. JMO

it seems like the parents have been firm;ly fixed on the abduction theory from the beginning. "who would do this to us knowing how much he means to us" and the general, he was abducted and now the gray haired leering phantom man.

IF they (the parents) suspected IR i do not believe this leering man would be discussed or a re enactment would be done or a "sketch" of said phantom man would be promised. So, they are going on record as saying they believe the baby was abducted by ? and LE says no. PI says possible and i say baby never made it back from the store. Who ya gonna believe? MOO

JMO on all of this.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

According to the go fund me site, LE has decided they do not want outside side searches done at this point and the money collected is being returned.

Interesting! I hope this means that the FBI/local LE is on to something.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I believe GGP has been named by EIN? Can someone confirm?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I believe GGP has been named by EIN? Can someone confirm?

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...hopeful-two-months-after-toddler-disappeared/

 

[neesaki]

I totally agree with both you and Neesaki and the sheriff. Abduction highly unlikely.

But your posts made me think of something. Yesterday we were talking about why the parents would believe this is an abduction situation.

One thing I hadn't considered (although it's glaringly obvious) is that if the toddler's remains are ever found somewhere that indicates they were hidden by a person, the only possibilities would be an abduction or involvement by someone at the campsite.

Hi Kammie, this has occurred to me as well, that perhaps his remains hadn't been found if he had been buried. Or maybe he's not in the vicinity of that particular campground at all.

Also, just to clarify, I've been quite sure several times that I thought I knew what had happened, well, almost... But at this particular moment I'm pretty much in a state of indecisive limbo. The scenarios I think are possible that can be mentioned here are:

-Abduction by Cougar or other animal predator, either from the vicinity of the camp ground or after he wondered away from the camp ground area
-Wondered away and went beyond the area that was searched
-Abduction by humans, stranger or acquaintance

 

[Dee10]

[h=1]Private Investigator Says Missing Toddler Was Abducted

http://590kid.com/2015/09/18/tips-about-missing-toddler-forwarded-to-idaho-fusion-center/[/h]

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

[h=1]Private Investigator Says Missing Toddler Was Abducted

http://590kid.com/2015/09/18/tips-about-missing-toddler-forwarded-to-idaho-fusion-center/[/h]

What the heck? This one says " Vilt says DeOrr’s parents reported a similar-looking man inside a store in Leadore the day before their son went missing."

The day before?!

 

[Dee10]

On tape 1 around the 2:55 PI relays that Deorr Sr. called police to ask about the boy and they transferred him to homicide then he was disconnected. Odd.

http://590kid.com/2015/09/18/tips-about-missing-toddler-forwarded-to-idaho-fusion-center/

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

What the heck? This one says " Vilt says DeOrr’s parents reported a similar-looking man inside a store in Leadore the day before their son went missing."

The day before?!

More confusion. I don't like to be cynical but it says the lady that spotted the gray haired man is from IF. The one? tip from a national tip line that ticks all the boxes comes from the home town of the family with a missing child.

LE now can't contain how much they don't like this PI "thing" and I am now starting to feel the same, sadly.

I'm sorry if that seems unfair.