ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #11

[Paulas88]

I'm right with you. 2 months in and now they remember a "very expensive" black Rubicon Jeep?? I'm not buying it. As you say, NO WAY

Agreed. No way! I've been following this case from day one. The PI sounds like a defense attorney trying to spin the story for reasonable doubt. This sudden flurry (IMO) from the family and PI might even indicate a grand jury is in the works and the FBI' report is back?

 

[ILOKAL]

That's about it, he seems to just kind of brush it off at around 4:20 in the video.

Just a note of some of his other statements:

"we've given them (the FBI) lots of items to analyze behaviorally"
"we've given them some physical evidence, I can't go into those details". We know about the ax and the overalls, I wonder what else.
"we're looking for any clue, whatsoever that might help us resolve this". To resolve, not find. :thinking:

"You know, we searched them (the vehicles)that night, but you know you always second guess, did we miss something? Could he have been in another compartment, so we searched everything, everything's been searched at least a couple times if not more." I guess to make sure he hadn't crawled off into a compartment and gone to sleep, or other...?

"absolutely nothing's been ruled out".

"if they didn't have a 2 1/2 y/o prior to this time, that's one I want to look at closely".

"he (the private investigator) primarily thinks it's an abduction, and I think that's very remote".

[video=youtube;FV-h82eVQ1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-h82eVQ1M[/video]

Am I missing something or is he going back and forth from abduction being a remote possibility to it being something he is actively and seriously considering? Has he ruled out everything or has he ruled out nothing? What is he doing now (besides what he provided to the FBI) in an effort to "resolve" (whatever that means) "this"? Is his department still actively working on Deorr's disappearance or is he just waiting until he gets the FBI report or hears something from a hunter?

 

[desert-blue]

July 20th:
After 10 days of searching, diving, and scouring the hillsides, the Sheriff’s Office has decided to redirect the investigation.

source https://www.facebook.com/LemhiCountySheriffsOffice/posts/884467051627459

Aug. 2nd:
Bowerman said the perplexing nature of the case and the fact that no obvious trace of DeOrr has surfaced despite extensive examination of the remote campsite and its environs, including a nearby reservoir, has led to endless speculation but few facts about the boy's fate.

Bowerman said he has ruled out abduction in the case, even though his office continues to field reports of sightings from across the nation and overseas.

Bowerman also believes no harm came to DeOrr from wild animals such as mountain lions that inhabit the area.

The FBI is expected to provide resources that are beyond the financial scope of local law enforcement agencies as well as fresh eyes and expertise to sift through various elements of the investigation, including interviews of the four adults involved in the campout.

source: https://www.facebook.com/east.idahocc/posts/1637056073206594


When I read these statements, the only conclusion I come to is that the investigation is focused on the four adults. Unless one thinks that the sheriff's office has botched the investigation, that is all that's left. One or more of them is somehow involved. The extent and nature of their involvement and the fate of Deorr (including whether he is dead or alive) must be what the FBI is investigating. MOO.

 

[neesaki]

Am I missing something or is he going back and forth from abduction being a remote possibility to it being something he is actively and seriously considering? Has he ruled out everything or has he ruled out nothing? What is he doing now (besides what he provided to the FBI) in an effort to "resolve" (whatever that means) "this"? Is his department still actively working on Deorr's disappearance or is he just waiting until he gets the FBI report or hears something from a hunter?

I don't think you're missing anything, and your guess is as good as mine.

 

[ILOKAL]

July 20th:
After 10 days of searching, diving, and scouring the hillsides, the Sheriff’s Office has decided to redirect the investigation.

source https://www.facebook.com/LemhiCountySheriffsOffice/posts/884467051627459

Aug. 2nd:
Bowerman said the perplexing nature of the case and the fact that no obvious trace of DeOrr has surfaced despite extensive examination of the remote campsite and its environs, including a nearby reservoir, has led to endless speculation but few facts about the boy's fate.

Bowerman said he has ruled out abduction in the case, even though his office continues to field reports of sightings from across the nation and overseas.

Bowerman also believes no harm came to DeOrr from wild animals such as mountain lions that inhabit the area.

The FBI is expected to provide resources that are beyond the financial scope of local law enforcement agencies as well as fresh eyes and expertise to sift through various elements of the investigation, including interviews of the four adults involved in the campout.

source: https://www.facebook.com/east.idahocc/posts/1637056073206594


When I read these statements, the only conclusion I come to is that the investigation is focused on the four adults. Unless one thinks that the sheriff's office has botched the investigation, that is all that's left. One or more of them is somehow involved. The extent and nature of their involvement and the fate of Deorr (including whether he is dead or alive) must be what the FBI is investigating. MOO.

I never noticed this before, but he doesn't seem to think very highly of WS sleuths in the Aug 2nd article and believes we have muddied the investigation. Is he being too harsh?

 

[desert-blue]

I never noticed this before, but he doesn't seem to think very highly of WS sleuths in the Aug 2nd article and believes we have muddied the investigation. Is he being too harsh?

"The case also has drawn the interest of psychics, amateur sleuths and others whose attempts to aid have tended to further muddy an already unclear picture of what happened to DeOrr."

No idea if he's being too harsh on WS. Amateur sleuths is only one category listed - I think there has been plenty of "muddying" from many sources, including the family and LE itself. Again, MOO.

 

[ILOKAL]

July 20th:
After 10 days of searching, diving, and scouring the hillsides, the Sheriff’s Office has decided to redirect the investigation.

source https://www.facebook.com/LemhiCountySheriffsOffice/posts/884467051627459

Aug. 2nd:
Bowerman said the perplexing nature of the case and the fact that no obvious trace of DeOrr has surfaced despite extensive examination of the remote campsite and its environs, including a nearby reservoir, has led to endless speculation but few facts about the boy's fate.

Bowerman said he has ruled out abduction in the case, even though his office continues to field reports of sightings from across the nation and overseas.

Bowerman also believes no harm came to DeOrr from wild animals such as mountain lions that inhabit the area.

The FBI is expected to provide resources that are beyond the financial scope of local law enforcement agencies as well as fresh eyes and expertise to sift through various elements of the investigation, including interviews of the four adults involved in the campout.

source: https://www.facebook.com/east.idahocc/posts/1637056073206594


When I read these statements, the only conclusion I come to is that the investigation is focused on the four adults. Unless one thinks that the sheriff's office has botched the investigation, that is all that's left. One or more of them is somehow involved. The extent and nature of their involvement and the fate of Deorr (including whether he is dead or alive) must be what the FBI is investigating. MOO.

Thanks for posting those desert. Do you know what searches took place AFTER July 20th when he announced he had changed the direction of the investigation?

 

[ILOKAL]

"The case also has drawn the interest of psychics, amateur sleuths and others whose attempts to aid have tended to further muddy an already unclear picture of what happened to DeOrr."

No idea if he's being too harsh on WS. Amateur sleuths is only one category listed - I think there has been plenty of "muddying" from many sources, including the family and LE itself. Again, MOO.

Is he REALLY blaming those groups for muddying the investigation? Seems like a strange position, especially since LE hasn't offered much. It's not like sleuths and psychics have arrived at the scene to participate. In reality, he has a tip line and has no need to pay attention to SM, IMO, but he obviously does.

 

[desert-blue]

I tend to agree with you. I also don't think that an investigation should give a rat's behind what is going on on SM. That is, unless they are clueless and are looking for insight or tips, but if that's the case, why complain about the free "help"? Being a bit sarcastic here, but I do think the obsession with SM in this case is strange.

 

[neesaki]

Is he REALLY blaming those groups for muddying the investigation? Seems like a strange position, especially since LE hasn't offered much. It's not like sleuths and psychics have arrived at the scene to participate. In reality, he has a tip line and has no need to pay attention to SM, IMO, but he obviously does.

Really, what can we possibly muddy it up with, we have nothing except what they give us. There will always be speculation without answers, even LE speculates though maybe not so much out loud or to the public. I also don't remember reading/hearing that the dumping of cremains was illegal, (did I miss that?) but that's what it states here. But then it also states he's ruled out abduction, which he clearly states he hasn't ruled out anything in the interview. Well, this is from SM so maybe we should just take it with a grain of salt. IMO.

 

[desert-blue]

Thanks for posting those desert. Do you know what searches took place AFTER July 20th when he announced he had changed the direction of the investigation?

Without searching and re-reading articles, I don't know. Deorr has not been found and obviously the case has not been "solved" to date, so it doesn't seem unusual for searching to continue. Posters have been made to notify hunters to be on the look-out and to not disturb any evidence they might find. I would think that finding Deorr, even if he is deceased, would remain a high priority, regardless of what may or may not have happened to him. If all searching came to a screeching halt, I would think that LE has evidence indicating he is not there anymore ("there" being in the vicinity of the campground). I'm not aware of that being the case, but I might have missed something. If you know the answer to your question, please share. Thanks!

 

[desert-blue]

"The case also has drawn the interest of psychics, amateur sleuths and others whose attempts to aid have tended to further muddy an already unclear picture of what happened to DeOrr."

No idea if he's being too harsh on WS. Amateur sleuths is only one category listed - I think there has been plenty of "muddying" from many sources, including the family and LE itself. Again, MOO.

replying to my own post...

The author of the article is a "she" so she is the one making the statement (not "he" and not referring to the sheriff, sorry if that got confusing... I assume her reporting is based on the sheriff's comments so it could be that he shares that opinion, but the actual statement is not directly attributed to him.... )

 

[ILOKAL]

Without searching and re-reading articles, I don't know. Deorr has not been found and obviously the case has not been "solved" to date, so it doesn't seem unusual for searching to continue. Posters have been made to notify hunters to be on the look-out and to not disturb any evidence they might find. I would think that finding Deorr, even if he is deceased, would remain a high priority, regardless of what may or may not have happened to him. If all searching came to a screeching halt, I would think that LE has evidence indicating he is not there anymore ("there" being in the vicinity of the campground). I'm not aware of that being the case, but I might have missed something. If you know the answer to your question, please share. Thanks!

No, I DON'T know the answer and would very much like to. The reason being is from those two articles. On July 20th he hasn't ruled out ANYTHING but IIRC, there was no further organized searches by LE. However, on August 2nd Bowerman stated he had ruled out EVERYTHING. What caused him to change his tune on August 2nd if there had been no further searches since the time he had ruled out nothing? On July 20th he said the investigation was taking a new direction yet he still hadn't ruled out anything.

He hasn't been Lemhi County Sheriff very long. He was appointed to fill the term of a "retiring" sheriff (Sam Slavin) in 2010 and then was elected in 2012. To him it was his "dream" job. Here's an interesting article that talks about Bowerman, wildlife, the FBI, AND his age (nearly 65 yrs "old").

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/wolves-in-the-church/Content?oid=3042969

Elsewhere it is said he came into office with a bang (my words) when he was appointed. There was an unsolved missing person's case so he brought in the FBI and this missing person was finally found (dismembered). Seemingly, he became the local hero.

The material is readily available but I'll simply leave this as MOO, IMO.

 

[desert-blue]

No, I DON'T know the answer and would very much like to.

Sorry, I should have asked if you had any insight, not if you knew the answer - my words didn't come out as I intended... :-(

I'm going to go read the article you posted about the sheriff.

 

[ILOKAL]

Sorry, I should have asked if you had any insight, not if you knew the answer - my words didn't come out as I intended... :-(

I'm going to go read the article you posted about the sheriff.

All is good - I took it as you intended

 

[ReadySet]

Is he REALLY blaming those groups for muddying the investigation? Seems like a strange position, especially since LE hasn't offered much. It's not like sleuths and psychics have arrived at the scene to participate. In reality, he has a tip line and has no need to pay attention to SM, IMO, but he obviously does.

I would think the "sleuths" he referred to would be the "backwards speech" guy, who not only posted, but supposedly traveled to Idaho to do a search. Referenced in the comments of the article below.

http://www.localnews8.com/news/onemonth-mark-of-the-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34638970

 

[Eileen730]

Really, what can we possibly muddy it up with, we have nothing except what they give us. There will always be speculation without answers, even LE speculates though maybe not so much out loud or to the public. I also don't remember reading/hearing that the dumping of cremains was illegal, (did I miss that?) but that's what it states here. But then it also states he's ruled out abduction, which he clearly states he hasn't ruled out anything in the interview. Well, this is from SM so maybe we should just take it with a grain of salt. IMO.

IMO they get their best ideas from this website!
I'm sure they read her daily!

 

[MJ1960]

Sorry if I missed it, but has this more recent article from People been discussed yet? It interviews the grandfather again.

http://www.people.com/article/social-media-controversy-over-missing-boy

 

[ILOKAL]

I would think the "sleuths" he referred to would be the "backwards speech" guy, who not only posted, but supposedly traveled to Idaho to do a search. Referenced in the comments of the article below.

http://www.localnews8.com/news/onemonth-mark-of-the-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34638970

I just read that article (had read it also way back when) and I don't see that reference. Where is it? Thanks.

 

[ReadySet]

I just read that article (had read it also way back when) and I don't see that reference. Where is it? Thanks.

It's in the comments. I had to spend some time scrolling down and reading to find them. They talk about Kellen Marston, raising money to come to Idaho. I have read this several other places too, but this is the only MSM article I could find that referenced it. It's ok if you don't believe it, I'm not going to look up the comments again. I have read it enough places to believe that Marston was most likely at least one of the "sleuths" the Sheriff was referring to.
JMO