ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #11

[ReadySet]

I doubt anyone would disagree that as time went on the sheriff might have gathered additional information, such as phone records, receipts, computer files, etc., but those things have been discussed.

But that's NOT the type of additional information that would tell us why, on July 20th, he didn't state that he had ruled out any occurrence within the forest, such as wandered off, drowned in water, or attacked by animals. In fact, on July 20th he stated he had NOT ruled out any of those things. Then there were no more searches . . . . Not by people . . . . Not by dogs . . . . Not by divers . . . . after July 20th, yet he waited until August 2nd to tell us he was ruling out wandered off, drowned in water, or taken by animals. He had no new information from searches between July 20th and August 2nd because there WERE no new searches. It "seems" like he outright lied on July 20th when he said he had NOT ruled out wandered off, drowned in water, or taken by animals. Why would he do that? Was he trying to placate us? Was it because he didn't want to be accused of jumping to judgment?

We also know he had already ruled out an abduction as early as July 13th.

I don't believe I've read another accounting of a person missing in a forest where LE had ruled out every possibility, no matter how unsuccessful the searches had been.

IMO

On the video from August, the Sheriff said "I can't completely rule it out " referring to abduction. BBMAt about 5:34

[video=youtube;FV-h82eVQ1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-h82eVQ1M[/video]

 

[Deleted member 718]

Do you have a link showing that all searches stopped on July 20th? TIA.

They didn't.

9/11/2015 East Idaho News

"The Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office also continues search efforts.

Sheriff Lynn Bowerman said his chief deputy and several k9’s were in the area Thursday."

That square peg won't fit into the round hole no matter how hard you pound it. moo

 

[Little Ol Me]

According to Sheriff Bowerman, as of Aug. 18th, "absolutely nothing has been ruled out." (@ 8:46)


[video=youtube;FV-h82eVQ1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-h82eVQ1M[/video]

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Here is the press release from the Lemhi County Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/LemhiCountySheriffsOffice

Press Release 7/20/15
Ref: DeOrr Kunz
The Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office is officially scaling back an intensive and exhaustive search of the Timber Creek/Stone Reservoir, area, southwest of Leadore, for the missing 2 yr old boy, DeOrr Kunz. After 10 days of searching, diving, and scouring the hillsides, the Sheriff’s Office has decided to redirect the investigation. The primary searchers included multiple agencies such as, Salmon Search & Rescue, The Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office, The Bonneville County Sheriff’s Office & Bonneville County Search & Rescue, Salmon PD, Idaho Fish & Game, multiple canine handlers, divers, and the public, especially the community of Leadore. The family of DeOrr has continued to cooperate with law enforcement and has volunteered to take polygraphs, which is common in these types of investigations. The parents are not considered suspects and this is a routine procedure. The Sheriff’s Office will keep a presence in the Timber Creek area, continuing to search for clues, and has not ruled out abduction by strangers or wild animals. Numerous resources, including helicopters with FLIR, diver’s, side scan sonar, scent dogs, cadaver dogs, horses, atv’s, and over 300 people, were used to grid and search the reservoir, the creek, and the hillsides, with absolutely no sign of the victim. We are asking the public to continue to report any information to the Idaho Fusion Center at 208 846-7676, or to the Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office at 208 756-8980.
Sheriff Lynn D. Bowerman/Chief Deputy Steve Penner

Nothing ruled out.
Scaled back searches continue to look for clues.

I hope this is helpful and doesn't muddy the water even more!

 

[renarde]

Hi Claire I'm back. I agree with the image here that that is the campground and is what I've believed all along until I looked at the Nate Eaton video again. I'll just ask one question about the image below and hopefully move on to more important things.

If I was to walk through the long grass/grassy bank behind Nate, where would I end up?

Thanks.

Up a creek?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Up a creek?

Good one!

 

[Deleted member 718]

Retired Idaho Fish and Game investigator Tony Latham has 22 years experience in the field including missing persons and animal behavior. I'm confident with his ability and opinions as an expert.


July 24, 2015 East Idaho News
“I’m quite satisfied this will come to a resolution,” Latham said in a FaceTime interview from his home in Salmon. “Everything has to be on the table. You do your initial assessment … and focus on what’s the most obvious. At the same time, everything else has to be operating in the background.”

Latham said some theories investigators may be considering include Deorr walking away on his own, the possibility of him being abducted, the idea that he was never at the campsite in the first place or that a wild animal was involved in his disappearance.

“Lemhi County has done close to 300 searches. If it had been a wild animal attack they would have at least found a boot,” Latham said. “I think, by now, the theory should be discounted.”

 

[pepelepolecat]

Do you have a link showing that all searches stopped on July 20th? TIA.

This is the first I've heard that date. According to reports I can find, they were continuing to search as of Aug. 10 with plans to go forward with the FBI assisting. http://www.localnews8.com/news/onemonth-mark-of-the-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34638970

I also remember (consider it rumor since I can't find the link) the sheriff saying in an interview that people were up there every day even when there were no organized searches planned.

ETA: Here's a link that also says searches were continuing in August. http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/DeOrr-Kunz-Missing-Idaho-321484631.html

My opinion only.

 

[Rayemonde]

“There are some cameras on the highway on both directions of 93,” Latham said. “I’m sure [they] have been looked...

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...on-deorr-kunz-this-will-come-to-a-resolution/

Ha! This July 24th article sure hinted at a likely suspect.

Detectives tell EastIdahoNews.com Deorr’s parents have been cooperative and Deorr’s great-grandfather, who was at the campsite, has never been a suspect.

Investigators aren’t saying anything about the family friend who was also camping.

 

[desert-blue]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...on-deorr-kunz-this-will-come-to-a-resolution/

Ha! This July 24th article sure hinted at a likely suspect.

"have been cooperative" - who wouldn't be if their kid was missing? Not being cooperative would certainly raise suspicion. The parents have always been discussed by LE in fairly neutral tones so it's hard to glean too much, IMO. I'll leave it at that. Do we know when IR hired an attorney?

 

[desert-blue]

After the big flurry of news about the potential lead (jeep creep) it's been really silent... Nothing more from the PI - has he disappeared again? How long does it normally take for a sketch artist to render a drawing? (it's been a week).

 

[neesaki]

Retired Idaho Fish and Game investigator Tony Latham has 22 years experience in the field including missing persons and animal behavior. I'm confident with his ability and opinions as an expert.


July 24, 2015 East Idaho News
“I’m quite satisfied this will come to a resolution,” Latham said in a FaceTime interview from his home in Salmon. “Everything has to be on the table. You do your initial assessment … and focus on what’s the most obvious. At the same time, everything else has to be operating in the background.”

Latham said some theories investigators may be considering include Deorr walking away on his own, the possibility of him being abducted, the idea that he was never at the campsite in the first place or that a wild animal was involved in his disappearance.

“Lemhi County has done close to 300 searches. If it had been a wild animal attack they would have at least found a boot,” Latham said. “I think, by now, the theory should be discounted.”

FWIW, it's totally beyond me how LE can more or less state they rule everything out, then basically state they don't rule anything out.
So abducted by aliens, perhaps? :abduction: And my intention is not to make light of this at all, it's just beyond my comprehension as I don't like or appreciate LE playing games, yet it seems there's quite a bit of that going on here. Not that it's the first time. And I completely understand they can't release every bit and piece of information and evidence they have to the public, I get that, no problem. That said, there's a missing child and if they have no absolute proof of ANYTHING other than their suspicions then there should be an active search effort going on to find this child, not just locally but nation wide. Is there any of this, other than maybe the PI. I personally would be making more of an effort if my dog were missing. JMO

 

[neesaki]

"have been cooperative" - who wouldn't be if their kid was missing? Not being cooperative would certainly raise suspicion. The parents have always been discussed by LE in fairly neutral tones so it's hard to glean too much, IMO. I'll leave it at that. Do we know when IR hired an attorney?

I don't know, but according to one of the comments beneath the article, (I know, FWIW) it was a while ago, maybe a month? So by looking at how/where he was living in the video, I would speculate that he would have some strong concerns in order to justify spending the money on an attorney. I personally hate wasting money on attorneys as it's more often than not, well, a waste. So for me, I have to have a really good reason. JMO
Also, Sillybilly mentioned in an earlier post about the number of RSO's living in the area where IR lives. Just something to consider.

 

[Jackeee]

On the video from August, the Sheriff said "I can't completely rule it out " referring to abduction. BBMAt about 5:34

[video=youtube;FV-h82eVQ1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-h82eVQ1M[/video]

Thank you for posting the interview with the sheriff. It saved me searching. I've seen it before but for my own reasons, I wondered if he was wearing sunglasses while being interviewed. I just couldn't remember. :thinking:

 

[Deleted member 718]

FWIW, it's totally beyond me how LE can more or less state they rule everything out, then basically state they don't rule anything out.
JMO

SBM

My article was from a retired Fish and Game investigator saying in his opinion we can rule out a wild animal. Sheriff Bowerman has been very careful with his words. I don't think Bowerman's ruled out anything, but we can assume he would appreciate the F&G investigator's seasoned advice.

We'll just have to wait and see what the FBI report entails. We can't really expect Bowerman to come out and say something's fishy here and it ain't the trout. He won't tip his hand until and if an arrest is made. We can only speculate using facts we learn from the officials.

Who's the prosecuting attorney for Lemhi County? That's assuming a crime occurred there. It could be another county I suppose. If a crime occurred at all. MOO

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...on-deorr-kunz-this-will-come-to-a-resolution/

Ha! This July 24th article sure hinted at a likely suspect.

Upon whom my side-eye is firmly fixed. JMO.

 

[desert-blue]

FWIW, it's totally beyond me how LE can more or less state they rule everything out, then basically state they don't rule anything out.

And in the same breath, they seem not to suspect any of the POI's either - they're all described using words such as cooperative and truthful and solid... it's frustrating, no?

 

[kammiemc]

FWIW, it's totally beyond me how LE can more or less state they rule everything out, then basically state they don't rule anything out.
So abducted by aliens, perhaps? :abduction: And my intention is not to make light of this at all, it's just beyond my comprehension as I don't like or appreciate LE playing games, yet it seems there's quite a bit of that going on here. Not that it's the first time. And I completely understand they can't release every bit and piece of information and evidence they have to the public, I get that, no problem. That said, there's a missing child and if they have no absolute proof of ANYTHING other than their suspicions then there should be an active search effort going on to find this child, not just locally but nation wide. Is there any of this, other than maybe the PI. I personally would be making more of an effort if my dog were missing. JMO

I think the problem might be that they actually can't come out and say what they have NOT ruled out in public or what evidence they have given to the FBI (I guess we at least know it included an axe and coveralls!) I would guess that it might be less about playing games (not sure why LE would be motivated to do that unless it was to the direct benefit of getting truth and or justice for the toddler) and more about protecting the integrity of the investigation.

They haven't said a whole heck of a lot since early on and that might be because they don't want to reveal what they know or to inadvertently mislead the public by having to be a bit cagey in how they answer questions. (They also might not want to alert any possible suspects of their suspicions or theories, especially if those peeps are under surveillance.)

I am actually not trying to defend them, per se, but for some reason their actions seem to make so much sense to me and their motivations so genuine that I am having trouble overlooking it and becoming doubtful of them and critical of them. Anyway IMO.


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[Mickshawn]

DeOrr Kunz at about minute 3.

https://youtu.be/cDKfBxNu6s8

 

[kammiemc]

SBM

My article was from a retired Fish and Game investigator saying in his opinion we can rule out a wild animal. Sheriff Bowerman has been very careful with his words. I don't think Bowerman's ruled out anything, but we can assume he would appreciate the F&G investigator's seasoned advice.

We'll just have to wait and see what the FBI report entails. We can't really expect Bowerman to come out and say something's fishy here and it ain't the trout.

Snipped by me.

Haha. If Sheriff B came out and said that he would be my new favorite person.


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