ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #12

[iluvmua]

It feels like this case has been going on for a year, not three months. Desert-Blue's 'Oddity Round-Up' really made me realize this. I don't know if I would have ever learned the word 'cremains' if not for this case. Can I get anyone a drink?

make mine a mudslide.

 

[iluvmua]

This is something you would see in a movie and not in real life. imo.

 

[ILOKAL]

I think scat could still have evidence in it if some was found, especially in Idaho's dry climate. I can't think of any examples, but I'm pretty sure I've read of some. Nylon or polyester material wouldn't decompose this soon. If his boots were leather and eaten there would probably be chunks of that. Buttons would be there or zippers or velcro strips. It's a shame he wasn't covered head to toe in fluorescent clothing because otherwise even if evidence was there it's going to be hard to see.

I'm surprised they're just now checking for scat. I wonder if that was a response to the FBI inconclusively concluding it was probably an animal attack. Or an animal eating the remains.

Mountain lion scat also contains bone fragments and hair/fur. So DNA could be tested.

 

[ILOKAL]

I think scat could still have evidence in it if some was found, especially in Idaho's dry climate. I can't think of any examples, but I'm pretty sure I've read of some. Nylon or polyester material wouldn't decompose this soon. If his boots were leather and eaten there would probably be chunks of that. Buttons would be there or zippers or velcro strips. It's a shame he wasn't covered head to toe in fluorescent clothing because otherwise even if evidence was there it's going to be hard to see.

I'm surprised they're just now checking for scat. I wonder if that was a response to the FBI inconclusively concluding it was probably an animal attack. Or an animal eating the remains.

I would imagine the FBI gave Bowerman a "To Do" list of things that had not been done and should have been done. That was probably on the top of that list, IMO!

 

[ILOKAL]

Didn't LE tell them to lay low? But now there's a docu! I don't get it AT ALL!

Where did you get that LE has told DK and JM to lay low? That's the first I've heard of that.

 

[ILOKAL]

But isn't it a little late for that now? As far as detection of human remains, that is.

No, not too late at all. Cougar scat contains bone fragments as well as hair and fur, so DNA testing could be done.

 

[neesaki]

Mountain lion scat also contains bone fragments and hair/fur. So DNA could be tested.

That's a good point, there could still be bone fragments and hair, or for that matter bits of clothing if they had been consumed. I just wonder if the scat from three months ago could still be sitting around in a state that could be detected in a solid state. I have no idea, other than I know my dog's scat goes away into the ground pretty quickly to where it's undetectable. They would have to be able to find the scat before they could test it, I wonder if they can tell how old it is. Well one thing I do know, I never thought is one that would become the topic of interest, LOL.

ETA: I just now saw your last post.

 

[jnblsm]

It feels like this case has been going on for a year, not three months. Desert-Blue's 'Oddity Round-Up' really made me realize this. I don't know if I would have ever learned the word 'cremains' if not for this case. Can I get anyone a drink?

Vodka/water on the rocks with a splash of lemon, please.

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[kammiemc]

I would think so.


I wonder if they even got the LP.

I don't even know what to believe anymore.

Doubting that the parents got the LP if it is true that DK didn't even mention the car until asked by the PI after the PI got a tip about the Swan Valley creepmobile.


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[desert-blue]

Doubting that the parents got the LP if it is true that DK didn't even mention the car until asked by the PI after the PI got a tip about the Swan Valley creepmobile.


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You'd think that the woman who saw the guy in the Jeep in Swan Valley would have noticed his license plate (not that I think it's the same guy, but isn't that still the premise they are going on?) She was so freaked out about it and thought he was following them and all. With all the detail she had about his appearance and vehicle, I would think she might have noticed his plates as well - at least maybe which state he was from, at a minimum... MOO.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Everything in this case has been bizarre. We really have little more information now than we did 3 months ago. GGP, supposedly the last person to have seen the child alive, has uttered not one single word. Why is that?

Some of the oddities, in no particular order: the cremains, the unexplained EMT bag, the bawling filthy baby sighting at the wrong time, Rebecca Cox (who incidentally has been non-compliant since Sept. 14th), the PI who comes around like Halley's comet, creepy staring man (remembered two months later?), changing arrival dates, at least four versions of how GGP lost sight of the child, GGP's confiscated axe and coveralls, IR's incoherent half-naked interview, the doppelganger found roaming a Motel 6 in California by a Maria Red Rum, the reenactment, false reports by a news agency that he had been found in Minnesota, cancelled fundraisers for organized searches, nearly 3 months of silence from the family who are now starring in a documentary... the list goes on and on... it's too much weirdness for one case if you ask me.

Great post desert-blue

I have half a dozen other oddities I'd like to add. Perhaps we should make a list.

 

[kammiemc]

You'd think that the woman who saw the guy in the Jeep in Swan Valley would have noticed his license plate (not that I think it's the same guy, but isn't that still the premise they are going on?) She was so freaked out about it and thought he was following them and all. With all the detail she had about his appearance and vehicle, I would think she might have noticed his plates as well - at least maybe which state he was from, at a minimum... MOO.

Really good point. If she was so freaked out over her experience of the guy staring at her family that it would make her cry and go on TV with voice distortion, I hope to god it also freaked her out enough to get his LP.


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[ThoughtFox]

I've read some of David Paulides books about missing people, plus I've been here on Websleuths for years, and one thing that is factual is that when a child or anyone is attacked by a wild animal, there's going to be some kind of evidence somewhere. Blood, bloody clothing, shoes, something. Animals are not "neat" when they bury a body.

In the case of Rainn they found no blood or evidence, but that was because she was alive after all! And I did not think that was possible - but just as Paulides says - police should look outside the 2-mile limit of where they think a toddler can go. Sometimes they just give up too soon. Rainn was found in sight of the road, I believe. Just incredible.

Here in TN there have been bear attacks on small children. There was one about 10 years back when a bear attacked a family of three on a trail in early spring just as the hungry bears came out of hibernation. The kids had been eating hamburgers and there was almost no one else at this campground. But that does remind me of Deorr who may have wandered or fallen down near the creek.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2006/4/13/83765/Chilhowee-Bear-Attack-Kills-Child.aspx

The mother fought the bear and saved the little boy, but the little girl ran away. Later the body of the little girl was discovered and authorities said she was killed by a bear. There was evidence around, and blood, and torn clothing, and the body was there - apparently not eaten. Immediately they tracked a bear, set traps, caught a bear. But they ended up killing the wrong bear.

It took them days to find the bear that actually killed her, even though they started looking right away.

http://www.toledoblade.com/frontpag...cision-to-kill-bear-unrelated-to-mauling.html

So my point is that even if they had some cougar scat or bear scat right away, or if someone saw a wild animal right beside the campground, it might not prove anything without DNA, or blood, or clothing, or shoes, or something. There's no evidence of any kind of attack that we know of.

This case is strange, and I don't know what is going on. If the FBI has something to prove it's an animal attack, I would really like to hear what that is.

 

[Rayemonde]

I would imagine the FBI gave Bowerman a "To Do" list of things that had not been done and should have been done. That was probably on the top of that list, IMO!

Very good point!

 

[Mickshawn]

Just occurred to me....I wonder if they were cooking any meat on the campfire that would have also attracted wildlife in...Anybody remember reading that? I don't.

 

[alexwood]

$!6$5 thy but Hynt


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Kammie, you need to get a stylus!

 

[alexwood]

It feels like this case has been going on for a year, not three months. Desert-Blue's 'Oddity Round-Up' really made me realize this. I don't know if I would have ever learned the word 'cremains' if not for this case. Can I get anyone a drink?

Make mine a Bombay Sapphire w/tonic & lime. In a double old-fashioned Waterford crystal glass!

 

[PainExpress]

I'll have a rum and ginger beer, please.

Dark and stormy.

 

[SuperTmo]

Maria Red Rum? That can't be real! Lol!

 

[pepelepolecat]

Maria Red Rum? That can't be real! Lol!

It isn't. Lots of people use nom de guerres on Facebook (and other social media), in my experience. That was her name long before she came across the little guy in Stanton. I'm pretty sure she didn't change it to creep us out.

ETA: And I'd appreciate just a good old-fashioned espresso, please. Nothing fancy!