ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #12

[desert-blue]

Could someone refresh my memory, what time on Thursday the 9th did they arrive at the campground?

TBC said 9:30 on SM. Sheriff Bowerman said around sunset, which would also be around 9:30, so I think that's the best we have to go on. DK and JM haven't said anything themselves, as far as I know.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Here is why I don't get: WHY are they including interviews with DK's father, DK's sister and two family friends????

They were NOT at the campsite so what possible information could they give that would be usedful??? unless it's to vouch for DK & JM and how they could never hurt litle deorr, what good/great parents they are etc.

jmo.

Maybe how the loss has affected them as a family.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

TBC said 9:30 on SM. Sheriff Bowerman said around sunset, which would also be around 9:30, so I think that's the best we have to go on. DK and JM haven't said anything themselves, as far as I know.

Even that is odd to me. An exact time from TBC (text message time stamp?) yet just "around sunset" from Sheriff Bowerman.

 

[Eileen730]

Yeah, I think that at least one person didn't pass and LE doesn't want the public to know. I don't think it means much though, since polygraphs are so unreliable.

Sure u cant use them in court but u can use them in an investigation to rule ppl out.

 

[Mickshawn]

TBC said 9:30 on SM. Sheriff Bowerman said around sunset, which would also be around 9:30, so I think that's the best we have to go on. DK and JM haven't said anything themselves, as far as I know.

And do we know for certain when GGP and IR arrived?

I wonder if any friends dropped over to visit Thursday night?

 

[Rayemonde]

Just found an interesting thread here about a similar case:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...6-Great-Smoky-Mountains-Nat-Park-14-June-1969

 

[kammiemc]

Just found an interesting thread here about a similar case:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...6-Great-Smoky-Mountains-Nat-Park-14-June-1969

The Dennis Martin case is so sad and there are some similarities to this case. There has been a lot of discussion about that case on this thread, which could be why no one has responded yet. (My goodness, who thought this might go for three months with no reconciliation.) I don't want to flub it up, but I think DM's big wheel was thrown into a dump and there is suspicion that the guy who did that could have been involved? Though the mom fought to bring in the super tech abilities at that time (bravo, mom!) I would hope those tools have kept advancing so that the tech used to looking for DeOrr was as amazing as reputed.
I guess one thing we know for sure is that they didn't have the advancements in DNA back then. Wonder if that might have changed things.


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[haven71]

I've wondered since the beginning when (aside from family) little Deorr was last seen.

Is it not deemed relevant? Or are we to assume LE knows for sure where he was and who saw him last and it is unrelated to the case?

 

[ILOKAL]

The Dennis Martin case is so sad and there are some similarities to this case. There has been a lot of discussion about that case on this thread, which could be why no one has responded yet. (My goodness, who thought this might go for three months with no reconciliation.) I don't want to flub it up, but I think DM's big wheel was thrown into a dump and there is suspicion that the guy who did that could have been involved? Though the mom fought to bring in the super tech abilities at that time (bravo, mom!) I would hope those tools have kept advancing so that the tech used to looking for DeOrr was as amazing as reputed.
I guess one thing we know for sure is that they didn't have the advancements in DNA back then. Wonder if that might have changed things.


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Thanks for posting the link Raymonde and for your reply, Kemmie. Yes, the DM case was discussed somewhat a while back and I read quite a bit of the available information on the case, including the sheriff's report to the commissioners. To me, (and it jumped out like a sore thumb), it did appear that the man who "found" the Big Wheel and decided it must be trash so threw it in the dump, seemed coincidentally to have been in the right place at the right time. However, I didn't read anything that indicated LE (or anyone else for that matter) thought he was involved. Do you have a link for that, as I'd like to take a look and maybe do more research. TIA. It was his 13-yr old daughter who was the last person to see little DM.

 

[neesaki]

The Dennis Martin case is so sad and there are some similarities to this case. There has been a lot of discussion about that case on this thread, which could be why no one has responded yet. (My goodness, who thought this might go for three months with no reconciliation.) I don't want to flub it up, but I think DM's big wheel was thrown into a dump and there is suspicion that the guy who did that could have been involved? Though the mom fought to bring in the super tech abilities at that time (bravo, mom!) I would hope those tools have kept advancing so that the tech used to looking for DeOrr was as amazing as reputed.
I guess one thing we know for sure is that they didn't have the advancements in DNA back then. Wonder if that might have changed things.


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Thanks for posting the link Raymonde and for your reply, Kemmie. Yes, the DM case was discussed somewhat a while back and I read quite a bit of the available information on the case, including the sheriff's report to the commissioners. To me, (and it jumped out like a sore thumb), it did appear that the man who "found" the Big Wheel and decided it must be trash so threw it in the dump, seemed coincidentally to have been in the right place at the right time. However, I didn't read anything that indicated LE (or anyone else for that matter) thought he was involved. Do you have a link for that, as I'd like to take a look and maybe do more research. TIA. It was his 13-yr old daughter who was the last person to see little DM.

I think there's some confusion, Kurt Newton was the little boy with the big wheel who rode off down the road after his father, then the big wheel was found in the dump. Dennis went missing in the GSMNP while playing hide and seek, no big wheel. It is easy to get them confused though.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rt-Ronald-Newton-4-Chain-of-Ponds-1-Sept-1975

 

[desert-blue]

Why doesn't LE just clear the POI's if they aren't involved? It's been three months. LE wants SM to stop conjecturing, yet they have done nothing to make it stop. I'm surprised IR's attorney hasn't put pressure on LE to clear his client (maybe he has, but so far IR is still a POI). I don't get it. The FBI has been on this case at least 8 weeks - that's long enough to rule the POI's in or out - either they think they could be involved or they don't. If certain POI's have been ruled out, LE should have the decency to publicly clear their name(s). MOO.

 

[ILOKAL]

I thin there's some confusion, Kurt Newton was the little boy with the big wheel who rode off down the road after his father, then the big wheel was found in the dump. Dennis went missing in the GSMNP while playing hide and seek, no big wheel. It is easy to get them confused though.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rt-Ronald-Newton-4-Chain-of-Ponds-1-Sept-1975

Oh my gosh, YES, neesaki. I DID get those two cases mixed up. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[kammiemc]

Thanks for posting the link Raymonde and for your reply, Kemmie. Yes, the DM case was discussed somewhat a while back and I read quite a bit of the available information on the case, including the sheriff's report to the commissioners. To me, (and it jumped out like a sore thumb), it did appear that the man who "found" the Big Wheel and decided it must be trash so threw it in the dump, seemed coincidentally to have been in the right place at the right time. However, I didn't read anything that indicated LE (or anyone else for that matter) thought he was involved. Do you have a link for that, as I'd like to take a look and maybe do more research. TIA. It was his 13-yr old daughter who was the last person to see little DM.

Sorry Raymonde! I got Kurt and DM mixed. Both were discussed.
ILOKAL, I was not sure I was recalling the discussion of the case here on WS correctly, which is why I said I hoped I was not flubbing it up and ended my sentence with a question mark (?) I don't recall whether it was mentioned in an article that LE thought big wheel guy was suspicious, whether an author questioned it or whether posters here discussed it as a possibility. I'm not inclined to go back and research every article and the thread to determine it because it doesn't matter. (I mean, in terms of this case. But I think we are talking about Kurt--I'm sure it very matters very much to his family still. I can't recall why big wheel guy wasn't named a suspect, maybe not enough to go on?)


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[iamnotagolem]

Why doesn't LE just clear the POI's if they aren't involved? It's been three months. LE wants SM to stop conjecturing, yet they have done nothing to make it stop. I'm surprised IR's attorney hasn't put pressure on LE to clear his client (maybe he has, but so far IR is still a POI). I don't get it. The FBI has been on this case at least 8 weeks - that's long enough to rule the POI's in or out - either they think they could be involved or they don't. If certain POI's have been ruled out, LE should have the decency to publicly clear their name(s). MOO.

I've seen this in other cases, as well. It's incredibly frustrating. In the Jessica Ridgeway case they cleared both parents within a matter of days. They did the same thing in Alanna Gallagher case. Yet in other cases like Lisa Irwin they never clear the parents and 4 years later they are still suspected of killing their daughter. Actually the similarities in the parents actions in Lisa & Deorr is interesting.

 

[Mickshawn]

Why doesn't LE just clear the POI's if they aren't involved? It's been three months. LE wants SM to stop conjecturing, yet they have done nothing to make it stop. I'm surprised IR's attorney hasn't put pressure on LE to clear his client (maybe he has, but so far IR is still a POI). I don't get it. The FBI has been on this case at least 8 weeks - that's long enough to rule the POI's in or out - either they think they could be involved or they don't. If certain POI's have been ruled out, LE should have the decency to publicly clear their name(s). MOO.

Maybe saying "nothing" is actually saying "something"???

 

[Rayemonde]

Two more kids have just gone missing from a campsite:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ian-Ross-7-Koomer-Ridge-Campground-8-Oct-2015

 

[wondering25]

I've seen this in other cases, as well. It's incredibly frustrating. In the Jessica Ridgeway case they cleared both parents within a matter of days. They did the same thing in Alanna Gallagher case. Yet in other cases like Lisa Irwin they never clear the parents and 4 years later they are still suspected of killing their daughter. Actually the similarities in the parents actions in Lisa & Deorr is interesting.

The sheriff did all the searching as far as getting appropriate drones, side scanning sonar, creek and reservoir searches various types of dogs etc. OK..He was good with the parents.. they are solid.. OK. He seems to have scoffed at an abduction. What bothers me is that IF this WAS an abduction, the FBI wasn't brought in for 3 weeks AND no bulletin or advisory was ever given. Could there be a crazed kidnapper out there? Of course there could be. It doesn't matter what I think, but IMO, all the angles should have been covered. This is about the safety of anyone with young children..NO?

Reportedly, the creep in the jeep is going to have a portrait done by a forensic artist.. NOW?!?! Either you believe this is a viable theory or you don't.. and why, sheriff, didnt you believe it then, when JM said she thought her baby was abducted.. The sheriff cant have it all ways.. right? Doing this NOW makes him see that he was deficient THEN. MOO


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[neesaki]

Two more kids have just gone missing from a campsite:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ian-Ross-7-Koomer-Ridge-Campground-8-Oct-2015

Oh no, not again. And thanks for the link, Rayemonde.

 

[MsMarple]

Two more kids have just gone missing from a campsite:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ian-Ross-7-Koomer-Ridge-Campground-8-Oct-2015

They were just found, about a mile away. Yay!!

 

[AuctionGal]

They were just found, about a mile away. Yay!!

I'm so glad they were found. That area is about 1.5 hours from me.

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