ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #22

[giagreen]

They are most likely already experiencing the Four C's, or Collateral Consequences of Criminal Charges. I wonder if either one is still employed, or if they are able to live in a place of their own.

I think they are. I don't actually know but it's what I've picked up on. And among other things I've seen.


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[courtneyb]

It's interesting that IR said "people can change in the blink of an eye and you don't even realize it until it's too late." I can't help but feel like he is saying someone changed, acted in a way that he had not seen or expected in that person, then it was too late to do anything or to change the outcome. In all the talk about abuse, it almost sounds like he is "leaking" what may have happened to the baby. Just my thought when I read that.

Interesting that he also said that he had not met JM and VDK before. How can people you don't know "change in the blink on an eye? Who does that leave?




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[K.L.Puyallup]

Interesting that he also said that he had not met JM and VDK before. How can people you don't know "change in the blink on an eye? Who does that leave?

Ding ding ding! :dance:
I am right there with you!
I don't feel that he is involved in this at all, with the exception of keeping his mouth shut.
He wouldn't do that for VDK, and he wouldn't do that for JM. He doesn't even know them.
But when the interviewer asked him about Robert Walton, he became very serious and said what a great relationship they used to have, and how he hasn't heard from him all Winter.
That, along with the quote you referenced, slammed the nail into the coffin for me. I would bet a hefty sum that RW was a major player in whatever terrible thing happened at that campsite.

 

[Donjeta]

Interesting that he also said that he had not met JM and VDK before. How can people you don't know "change in the blink on an eye? Who does that leave?




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JMO I didn't take that quote as referring to the people on the camping trip, necessarily. He was asked about how his life changed afterwards, so he could be thinking about people who changed their behavior towards him after Deorr disappeared.

Interviewer: Do you think that this- How has this experience kind of changed your life? Has it?
Isaac: A little. I'm a little bit more, you know, I try to be a little bit more 'skeptimistic' [skeptical] about what's going on around me and the public. Just, people can change in the blink of an eye, and you don't even realize until it's too late.

 

[carbuff]

JMO I didn't take that quote as referring to the people on the camping trip, necessarily. He was asked about how his life changed afterwards, so he could be thinking about people who changed their behavior towards him after Deorr disappeared.

I took it the same way.


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[K.L.Puyallup]

JMO I didn't take that quote as referring to the people on the camping trip, necessarily. He was asked about how his life changed afterwards, so he could be thinking about people who changed their behavior towards him after Deorr disappeared.

Without other clues in the interview, I would agree. I only transcribed the portions that jumped out at me, particularly relating to what he wasn't saying.
Another part of the interview-

Interviewer: Did you lose any friends over this?
Isaac: I'm sure I have, but right at this point, I'm not sure who. Something I'm gonna have to figure out down the road.

This, to me, indicates that while people have may have changed their behavior towards him, he isn't confident with which relationships he's lost over it. When he says that people can change in the blink of an eye, that could be referring to the public's (or even friends') attitudes towards him, but I'm having trouble fitting "until it's too late," into that scenario.

 

[Jackeee]

Well, I'll be. Skeptimistic (used by IR) is actually a word recognized by wikionary and your dictionary and others. Sorry, I'm hopeless at providing links from my iPad but just google the word. It means being skeptical and optimistic at the same time. No way of knowing if if IR knew this or if he just got the word jumbled up.

 

[K.L.Puyallup]

Well, I'll be. Skeptimistic (used by IR) is actually a word recognized by wikionary and your dictionary and others. Sorry, I'm hopeless at providing links from my iPad but just google the word. It means being skeptical and optimistic at the same time. No way of knowing if if IR knew this or if he just got the word jumbled up.

Ha! Color me surprised. I'll go back and edit out the [skeptical] bit.
Edit- Darn! It's too late to edit. Someone give me a crow, and I will eat it.

 

[Jackeee]

Ha! Color me surprised. I'll go back and edit out the [skeptical] bit.
Edit- Darn! It's too late to edit. Someone give me a crow, and I will eat it.

Who knew? I only looked it up out of idle curiosity. I really didn't expect to find it. ��

 

[courtneyb]

JMO I didn't take that quote as referring to the people on the camping trip, necessarily. He was asked about how his life changed afterwards, so he could be thinking about people who changed their behavior towards him after Deorr disappeared.

Ahhh, gotcha. I actually thought he may have been referring to JM and VDK, just as in someone snapped suddenly, leading to DeOrr's death.

Or that he thinks GGP would have stepped up and told what happened.

I guess both my interpretations would require his knowledge of what happened to DeOrr.
My impression is that IR doesn't veer too far from the literal, but I totally see how your interpretation is probably the correct one. [emoji5]️


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[courtneyb]

Ding ding ding! :dance:
I am right there with you!
I don't feel that he is involved in this at all, with the exception of keeping his mouth shut.
He wouldn't do that for VDK, and he wouldn't do that for JM. He doesn't even know them.
But when the interviewer asked him about Robert Walton, he became very serious and said what a great relationship they used to have, and how he hasn't heard from him all Winter.
That, along with the quote you referenced, slammed the nail into the coffin for me. I would bet a hefty sum that RW was a major player in whatever terrible thing happened at that campsite.

I took it, at first glance to mean that IR was disappointed in GGP's silence and obvious intent to stay silent. That he would have always thought before that his friend would do the right thing. Or that DeOrr maybe had a chance at being saved but GGP wouldn't step up and let the police be called "until it was too late". Not a whole lot IR could do if all 3 of the others were against him in a situation like that.

In any case, I sensed disappointment in GGP from IR.


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[Thor44]

That's a really good question. I'd guess the lack of any evidence that Deorr was ever at the campground. Cell phone pings and history, receipts, conflicting written statements, eyewitness accounts, no fingerprints on fishing poles, something with the 911 calls, ...

What do you think?

I'm thinking LE has biological evidence that DeOrr is deceased. I am basing that opinion on the fact that LE and Klein believe he is dead. I feel that they would be keeping a small window open to the possibility of child trafficking, etc, otherwise. I still keep going back to decomp fluid and if that is the case then I would bet that evidence was found in a house or a car belonging to his parents who are being accused of lying and knowing what happened to their child and where he is.

 

[DatelineFan]

I took it, at first glance to mean that IR was disappointed in GGP's silence and obvious intent to stay silent. That he would have always thought before that his friend would do the right thing. Or that DeOrr maybe had a chance at being saved but GGP wouldn't step up and let the police be called "until it was too late". Not a whole lot IR could do if all 3 of the others were against him in a situation like that.

In any case, I sensed disappointment in GGP from IR.


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Interesting about GGP. I guess I haven't thought in this direction a whole lot. It's difficult and disturbing to think that he could know something he isn't saying. This whole situation is disturbing, but particularly if more than just JM and VDK are guilty.

**Side note, if you pmed me, I can't reply because your inbox seems to be full.

 

[Rayemonde]

Interesting that he also said that he had not met JM and VDK before. How can people you don't know "change in the blink on an eye? Who does that leave?




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I thought he was talking about the public changing in the blink of an eye. Blaming the IR one minute, then the parents the next...

Interviewer: Do you think that this- How has this experience kind of changed your life? Has it?
Isaac: A little. I'm a little bit more, you know, I try to be a little bit more 'skeptimistic' [skeptical] about what's going on around me and the public. Just, people can change in the blink of an eye, and you don't even realize until it's too late.

 

[TeaTime]

Perhaps IR feels like he has been used by the family of JM and maybe JM and DVK themselves because many tried to cast suspicion on him. People who were once friendly began to act like he was an enemy and his good friend GGP and he haven't talked or seen each other all winter. I feel sorry for the guy. He went on a camping trip with his buddy and the buddy's family members, a baby disappeared and is believed dead by homicide, the parents are suspects and his buddy stopped being his friend. He may be the most innocent of all next to DeOrr.

 

[Rayemonde]

BBM - In Idaho a driver's license is suspended if they have a no insurance ticket. She does have a pending driving without privilege case.

Link?

 

[Rayemonde]

I'm thinking LE has biological evidence that DeOrr is deceased. I am basing that opinion on the fact that LE and Klein believe he is dead. I feel that they would be keeping a small window open to the possibility of child trafficking, etc, otherwise. I still keep going back to decomp fluid and if that is the case then I would bet that evidence was found in a house or a car belonging to his parents who are being accused of lying and knowing what happened to their child and where he is.

The sheriff said in a recent interview that he hasn't given up hope that DeOrr is alive, though... Klein has said DeOrr is dead but LE haven't.

 

[persimmon]

I wonder if JM and VDK know what evidence LE has?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Ding ding ding! :dance:
I am right there with you!
I don't feel that he is involved in this at all, with the exception of keeping his mouth shut.
He wouldn't do that for VDK, and he wouldn't do that for JM. He doesn't even know them.
But when the interviewer asked him about Robert Walton, he became very serious and said what a great relationship they used to have, and how he hasn't heard from him all Winter.
That, along with the quote you referenced, slammed the nail into the coffin for me. I would bet a hefty sum that RW was a major player in whatever terrible thing happened at that campsite.

Btw: Does somebody know WHY RW wasn't identified by his name when the drama unfolded?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I wonder if JM and VDK know what evidence LE has?

IF the parents know they have made a mistake (or 2 or 3) during the eliminating of traces, then they would know. I imagine, they must be full of fear since the camping weekend (or even before), but something or someone is holding them back to confess the truth. For how much longer?