ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[desert-blue]

OK. I feel better. I notified East Idaho News of the mistake and they have fixed it already.



http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

THANK YOU!!!:great::great::great:

 

[StacyMarie83]

What I noticed...

Reporter said sheriff is 99...NOT 100% sure that Deorr Jr. was AT CAMPgroUND. why not 100% sure?

Sheriff said all took polys and they were turned over to FBI. He still did not say if they passed. I feel someone must not have, otherwise wouldn't they just say so?

Again, Sheriff using persuasive language to say "He's good with them, being truthful, etc."

How on earth can he state he thinks a 2 year old boy, missing for 5 weeks is still alive??? The only scenario that that would be possible is if the parents are hiding him, correct? For what reason?

This little interview causes more questions than gives more answers. This is weirdest case I have ever seen!

I don't think he thinks deorr is still alive IMO... at the end of the article he states that he believes hunters may find him ... i doubt he thinks the boy will be alive JMO

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[wondering25]

Yeah, nothing earth-shattering about that report. Interesting things to note (IMO):

-LE possesses a receipt from the Kunz's trip to Leadore, which is "time stamped" (but he doesn't tell what the time stamp indicated). It is mentioned in the interview as being Friday morning. Parents also stopped for diesel fuel in another location on the way to camp. No security cameras at either location. Receipts would not include or exclude Deorr being with the parents, so they don't tell us much, really.

- the Sheriff seems to know a lot more than he's saying, which is not entirely unexpected. We won't likely hear more until the FBI report is handed over to local LE.

- "Personally, I think that abduction is one of the least likely events" - Sheriff

- He seems to dismiss the parents and grandfather as suspects unconditionally, and to be rather conditional is his dismissal of IR as a suspect: "until we find a piece of evidence or locate anything that tells me otherwise, I think he's being very truthful." Hmmm.....

- All 4 adults at the scene voluntarily took polygraphs (but no indication if they passed or not)

so, if one of the POI did something to the baby would that or would that not qualify as an abduction?

 

[katydid23]

I think not, if you're talking about the person I'm thinking about. Where inside the 3 mile radius do you think he had time to successfully hide the body? If we're talking about the unrelated POI,I doubt he had time to get outside the area and get back either. Not knowing him but from the interview, he doesn't seem to have all of his oars in the water.

He could hide a body within the 3 mile radius if he did it right.

 

[jashrema]

Also that the sheriff said, "I don't believe the store has security cameras"? What? Doesn't he KNOW whether store has cameras or not?

 

[wondering25]

*An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated the name of DeOrr’s great-grandfather. We regret the error and have updated the story with the correct name.
EastIdahoNews.com will post the unedited video interview with Bowerman on Tuesday afternoon.

Just awful...jmo

 

[leep]

I don't think the GGP is called Bob Bates that's not the name i've had for the last 4 weeks anyway.

ETA: Just seen the post above, thanks wondering25

 

[jashrema]

BBM:
I don't think he believes he is still alive. I believe he thinks his remains are in the woods or brush.

Meanwhile, the search for DeOrr will continue and, with hunting season starting soon, Bowerman hopes a hunter in the Lemhi mountains might discover the child.

If he is hoping for a hunter to stumble across the baby, he isn't expecting to find him alive IMO.

The reporter specifically states that Sheriff told him, "Even though its been 5 weeks, he thinks that DJ is still alive."

 

[wondering25]

What I noticed...

Reporter said sheriff is 99...NOT 100% sure that Deorr Jr. was AT CAMPgroUND. why not 100% sure?

Sheriff said all took polys and they were turned over to FBI. He still did not say if they passed. I feel someone must not have, otherwise wouldn't they just say so?

Again, Sheriff using persuasive language to say "He's good with them, being truthful, etc."

How on earth can he state he thinks a 2 year old boy, missing for 5 weeks is still alive??? The only scenario that that would be possible is if the parents are hiding him, correct? For what reason?

This little interview causes more questions than gives more answers. This is weirdest case I have ever seen!

Here is what I noticed.. the sheriff kept glancing sideways at the deputy.. like he (bowerman) was not being completely forthcoming..JMO

 

[katydid23]

The reporter specifically states that Sheriff told him, "Even though its been 5 weeks, he thinks that DJ is still alive."

That makes no sense. How is the child still alive unless he was abducted by a kindly childless fairy godmother?

 

[katydid23]

Interesting that he said the family friend was 'truthful.' I'd like to know if he has been consistent in his versions of where he was when the baby went missing. I don't believe he has been. And I don't have a lot of faith in what has been reported so far.

 

[*JMO*]

The reporter specifically states that Sheriff told him, "Even though its been 5 weeks, he thinks that DJ is still alive."

Do you have a link for that? This is the quote I read and heard in the recent interview: "Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman believes missing Idaho Falls toddler DeOrr Kunz Jr. will be found, even though it’s been nearly six weeks since he disappeared."

I don't equate finding him and finding him alive as the same thing. I took it to indicate from the hunter comment that he is talking about hoping to find remains. IMO.

 

[desert-blue]

That makes no sense. How is the child still alive unless he was abducted by a kindly childless fairy godmother?

But he also doesn't think the child was abducted. :banghead:

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Well, that Nate reporter guy can add "mixing up surnames" to his list of ups!

 

[leep]

Walton/Bates easily mixed up if your EIN. smh

 

[travelbug]

so, if one of the POI did something to the baby would that or would that not qualify as an abduction?

IMHO The sheriff is not considering the possibility of an unknown person taking Deorr from the campsite. If one of the POI's caused harm to Deorr, that resulted in death, that would not be abduction. It would be some form of negligence or homicide. If a member of the family prearranged to meet a friend or family member to hand Deorr off for "safe-keeping" that would also not be an abduction. If IR handed Deorr off to someone without parental approval, for whatever reason, that would be an abduction. jmho

 

[jmcgladr]

The reporter specifically states that Sheriff told him, "Even though its been 5 weeks, he thinks that DJ is still alive."

No, pretty sure the article just says "Deorr Kunz Jr. will be found." That does not mean he will be found alive.

 

[Dee10]

" Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman believes missing Idaho Falls toddler DeOrr Kunz Jr. will be found, even though it’s been nearly six weeks since he disappeared.

Family -- “Those three have been very cooperative,” Bowerman said. “They’ve given us everything we ask for, and I feel real good about the parents and the grandfather.”

Friend -- “I’m not getting any feeling that he’s not being truthful,” Bowerman said. “He’s come up to the area on a second occasion with me, and I think he’s been very truthful and I appreciate his help.”

Sounds like he may be rattling some chains to me + he's not 100% sure DeOrr was at the campground, but he will be found. Will the friend be the key?

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

First, I am not certain that they were really only gone for 10 minutes. I think it is human nature to downplay any critical mistakes. ' I just looked away for a second' is the natural response. I think it is possible they were gone for longer than 10 minutes.
Also, with some of the new things that have been confirmed, it has given me more confidence in some family members previous statements. So I do wonder if it is true that the family friend was 'fishing' when the baby went missing. It is hard for me to believe that TWO adults were watching the baby and he just vanished with no one noticing. I think it is more likely that GGP did not realize he was supposed to be the one watching the child.

If family friend was fishing then the parents might not notice how long he was gone when they began searching for their child. JMO

Right but since we can't sleuth the parents...50 yards and 10 minutes is all we got. Even within 30 minutes I think it would be hard to put the body somewhere that people could not find unless he left the camp site. Jmo

 

[ClaireNC]

BBM:
I don't think he believes he is still alive. I believe he thinks his remains are in the woods or brush.

Meanwhile, the search for DeOrr will continue and, with hunting season starting soon, Bowerman hopes a hunter in the Lemhi mountains might discover the child.

If he is hoping for a hunter to stumble across the baby, he isn't expecting to find him alive IMO.

Edited: I just went back to Nate's teaser from this morning and he says the "sheriff still believes he will be found." He does not say found alive. So it sounds like he thinks DeOrr is in the area and will, sadly, be found by hunters.